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Doesn't seem closed. Here's real time flight tracker as of 11:40 AM today...However, Eastern part of Pak has no flights seen.
India Strikes Against Pakistani Terrorism 2019
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China’s secret nexus with Masood Azhar explains stand on UN’s listing him as global terrorist
China’s Linkages with Pak Terrorists
For this, it is important to avoid over-reaction and focus on China’s linkages with Pakistan-based terrorists and what makes Beijing protect them from international mechanisms like the UN Sanctions Committee.
In the 1980s, Azhar had begun life by fighting the Soviet forces in Afghanistan. He later founded the notorious JeM. This had coincided with Pakistan’s Islamization and its mullahs raising an army of Talibs (Islamic students) as Mujahedeen for fighting the Soviet forces in Afghanistan.
China’s linkages with the anti-Soviet Mujahideen go back to the 1980s. To the discomfiture of Beijing, this also saw China’s Uyghurs joining the Afghan-Pakistani Mujahideens in hundreds in turn endangering security in the Muslim-majority Xinjiang province. In 1980, 1981, 1985, 1987 and April 1990, protests in Buren had revived the demand for East Turkmenistan.
The Soviet retreat from Afghanistan in 1989 released Uyghurs Mujahideen from Afghanistan. Protests in Xinjiang spread to many towns starting from major towns like Urumchi, Kashgar and Khotan, to smaller towns like Kucha, Aksu and Artush.
This pushed China into adopting a rather myopic strategy towards Pakistan-based terrorists. This shift is often traced to the November 2000 meeting of China’s Ambassador to Pakistan Lu Shulin’s with the Taliban leader Mullah Omar. Omar is believed to have assured that he will not allow Uyghurs to launch attacks in Xinjiang.
This was the peak period of Taliban’s repressive rule in Afghanistan that was destroyed by the US war on global terrorism starting from 2001.
But China was amongst very few countries that established and sustained informal official contacts with the Taliban. China’s appeasement had apparently yielded results. Except for the riots of 5-6 July 2009 ,which resulted in 156 deaths in the city of Urumchi, there has been no major problem for China in Xinjiang.
The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) has reinforced the thesis that China is appeasing terrorists for the security of its territory and assets.
There seems to be tacit arrangement by which, as long as the Pakistan-based terrorist outfits do not support separatists in China’s Muslim-majority and restive Xinjiang, and do not disrupt its projects under CPEC, Beijing would continue to protect them from being censured by the international community.
Internally, China has sought to manage Xinjiang using surveillance technologies and power display. Millions of Uyghurs are reported to be in internment or ‘re-education’ camps.
https://newsin.asia/chinas-secret-n...stand-on-uns-listing-him-as-global-terrorist/
China’s Linkages with Pak Terrorists
For this, it is important to avoid over-reaction and focus on China’s linkages with Pakistan-based terrorists and what makes Beijing protect them from international mechanisms like the UN Sanctions Committee.
In the 1980s, Azhar had begun life by fighting the Soviet forces in Afghanistan. He later founded the notorious JeM. This had coincided with Pakistan’s Islamization and its mullahs raising an army of Talibs (Islamic students) as Mujahedeen for fighting the Soviet forces in Afghanistan.
China’s linkages with the anti-Soviet Mujahideen go back to the 1980s. To the discomfiture of Beijing, this also saw China’s Uyghurs joining the Afghan-Pakistani Mujahideens in hundreds in turn endangering security in the Muslim-majority Xinjiang province. In 1980, 1981, 1985, 1987 and April 1990, protests in Buren had revived the demand for East Turkmenistan.
The Soviet retreat from Afghanistan in 1989 released Uyghurs Mujahideen from Afghanistan. Protests in Xinjiang spread to many towns starting from major towns like Urumchi, Kashgar and Khotan, to smaller towns like Kucha, Aksu and Artush.
This pushed China into adopting a rather myopic strategy towards Pakistan-based terrorists. This shift is often traced to the November 2000 meeting of China’s Ambassador to Pakistan Lu Shulin’s with the Taliban leader Mullah Omar. Omar is believed to have assured that he will not allow Uyghurs to launch attacks in Xinjiang.
This was the peak period of Taliban’s repressive rule in Afghanistan that was destroyed by the US war on global terrorism starting from 2001.
But China was amongst very few countries that established and sustained informal official contacts with the Taliban. China’s appeasement had apparently yielded results. Except for the riots of 5-6 July 2009 ,which resulted in 156 deaths in the city of Urumchi, there has been no major problem for China in Xinjiang.
The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) has reinforced the thesis that China is appeasing terrorists for the security of its territory and assets.
There seems to be tacit arrangement by which, as long as the Pakistan-based terrorist outfits do not support separatists in China’s Muslim-majority and restive Xinjiang, and do not disrupt its projects under CPEC, Beijing would continue to protect them from being censured by the international community.
Internally, China has sought to manage Xinjiang using surveillance technologies and power display. Millions of Uyghurs are reported to be in internment or ‘re-education’ camps.
https://newsin.asia/chinas-secret-n...stand-on-uns-listing-him-as-global-terrorist/
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It is the usual..
No flights in their eastern side...
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Hmm eastern part.....closed......................
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Thats one possibility..but usually these devices are transported under heavy cover..
BUT.
well its also possible that a "CLANDESTINE" operation if so, would have very less people manning the area inorder to NOT raise any suspicion...a perfect situation for a COVERT and heavy ambush
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The news report says that a missile fell off the TEL. Does it explode in such cases?
The news report says that a missile fell off the TEL. Does it explode in such cases?
Will be funny and fitting, If porkis end up nuking themselves
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2017 article:
EXCLUSIVE: Pakistan's Unknown Tunneled Nuclear Weapons Storage Facility Revealed
Pakistan has built a nuclear weapons storage facility, till now unknown, at the foot of Peer Than Mountain near Haripur in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
Evidences suggest Pakistan would have deployed its nuclear missiles of Shaheen series in the facility, posing a grave threat to the whole of India. The facility, possibly the sixth nuclear capable missile bases, is located about 320km from Amritsar, 520km from Chandigarh and 720km from New Delhi.
Shaheen-III, Pakistan’s ballistic missiles capable of delivering a nuclear weapon, can hit targets as far as 2,750 kilometres effectively.
Pakistan has been working assiduously to safeguard its nuclear first strike capability and to maintain second strike capability. Pakistan has many safe havens constructed to ensure survivability of its nuclear arsenal from India’s first strike (different from first use).
In a series of exposes through open source Google Earth satellite imagery, we will sketch out Pakistan’s various underground and tunneled nuclear weapons storage facilities.
This tunneled facility, 35km from National Defence Complex (NDC), Fatehjung and Havelian Ammunition Depot, also makes targeting of mobile transporter erector launcher(TEL)s difficult. The exact location is 33 58 00N 72 45 30E.
The facility’s construction began in the first half of 2003 and completed around 2011. The Indian Army so far is unaware of the underground facility.
It has two main tunnels with three layered perimeter fence, support area with administrative office, mechanical transport (MT) garages, residential buildings and two Masjids.
There is still no clear-cut answer to how many such nuclear-capable missile bases are there in Pakistan, which has a stockpile of around 140 nuclear warheads.
Federation of American Scientists (FAS), says that There are at least five bases that might serve a role in Pakistan’s emerging nuclear posture. This includes army garrisons at Akro (Petaro), Gujranwala, Khuzdar, Pano Aqil, and Sargodha.” There is also a sixth base near Dera Ghazi Khan (29.9117, 70.4922), but the infrastructure is very different and not yet convincing.Some of these facilities could be used to deceive the enemy countries.
Hot Area
The Peer Than facility’s main area has two main tunnels with 8m wide entrances. It took 6 years to carve out tunnels in the mountains, indicating large areas that must be prepared inside the mountain. The height of cutout is approximately 25m. The tunnels entrances have been strengthened by cement concrete and compressed earth for 30-50m.
The hot area has two high bay garages that could be used for inspections and for repairs. There are six turning areas suggesting that these will also be used as launch pads. There are two more garages along the road which along with high bay garages would possibly be used for parking weapons on high alert.
Support Area
The support area consists of administrative office, MT garages and miscellaneous buildings which could possibly be used as residential accommodation. There are two Masjids, one of which is probably not used anymore.
Security
The facility has been provided with strong short range air defence (AD) cover.
It has single entry and exit road. There are six gates before reaching the entrance of the tunnels. The main gate is solid preventing any ground view inside the facility.
Pakistan does not have a publicized nuclear doctrine, but its policy of “minimum credible deterrent” is widely regarded as “maximum nuclear deterrence” designed to dissuade India from taking military action against it. Pakistan has an expanded capability to produce weapon grade nuclear material in quantities at least double its known capability of 100kg per annum. This means approximately 10-15 weapons per year. At a conservative estimate, Pakistan should be logically holding 140-215 warheads as of 2011.
https://www.outlookindia.com/websit...lear-weapons-storage-facility-revealed/298943
EXCLUSIVE: Pakistan's Unknown Tunneled Nuclear Weapons Storage Facility Revealed
Pakistan has built a nuclear weapons storage facility, till now unknown, at the foot of Peer Than Mountain near Haripur in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
Evidences suggest Pakistan would have deployed its nuclear missiles of Shaheen series in the facility, posing a grave threat to the whole of India. The facility, possibly the sixth nuclear capable missile bases, is located about 320km from Amritsar, 520km from Chandigarh and 720km from New Delhi.
Shaheen-III, Pakistan’s ballistic missiles capable of delivering a nuclear weapon, can hit targets as far as 2,750 kilometres effectively.
Pakistan has been working assiduously to safeguard its nuclear first strike capability and to maintain second strike capability. Pakistan has many safe havens constructed to ensure survivability of its nuclear arsenal from India’s first strike (different from first use).
In a series of exposes through open source Google Earth satellite imagery, we will sketch out Pakistan’s various underground and tunneled nuclear weapons storage facilities.
This tunneled facility, 35km from National Defence Complex (NDC), Fatehjung and Havelian Ammunition Depot, also makes targeting of mobile transporter erector launcher(TEL)s difficult. The exact location is 33 58 00N 72 45 30E.
The facility’s construction began in the first half of 2003 and completed around 2011. The Indian Army so far is unaware of the underground facility.
It has two main tunnels with three layered perimeter fence, support area with administrative office, mechanical transport (MT) garages, residential buildings and two Masjids.
There is still no clear-cut answer to how many such nuclear-capable missile bases are there in Pakistan, which has a stockpile of around 140 nuclear warheads.
Federation of American Scientists (FAS), says that There are at least five bases that might serve a role in Pakistan’s emerging nuclear posture. This includes army garrisons at Akro (Petaro), Gujranwala, Khuzdar, Pano Aqil, and Sargodha.” There is also a sixth base near Dera Ghazi Khan (29.9117, 70.4922), but the infrastructure is very different and not yet convincing.Some of these facilities could be used to deceive the enemy countries.
Hot Area
The Peer Than facility’s main area has two main tunnels with 8m wide entrances. It took 6 years to carve out tunnels in the mountains, indicating large areas that must be prepared inside the mountain. The height of cutout is approximately 25m. The tunnels entrances have been strengthened by cement concrete and compressed earth for 30-50m.
The hot area has two high bay garages that could be used for inspections and for repairs. There are six turning areas suggesting that these will also be used as launch pads. There are two more garages along the road which along with high bay garages would possibly be used for parking weapons on high alert.
Support Area
The support area consists of administrative office, MT garages and miscellaneous buildings which could possibly be used as residential accommodation. There are two Masjids, one of which is probably not used anymore.
Security
The facility has been provided with strong short range air defence (AD) cover.
It has single entry and exit road. There are six gates before reaching the entrance of the tunnels. The main gate is solid preventing any ground view inside the facility.
Pakistan does not have a publicized nuclear doctrine, but its policy of “minimum credible deterrent” is widely regarded as “maximum nuclear deterrence” designed to dissuade India from taking military action against it. Pakistan has an expanded capability to produce weapon grade nuclear material in quantities at least double its known capability of 100kg per annum. This means approximately 10-15 weapons per year. At a conservative estimate, Pakistan should be logically holding 140-215 warheads as of 2011.
https://www.outlookindia.com/websit...lear-weapons-storage-facility-revealed/298943
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Well by logical deduction one must assume that their nuclear weapons storage facility is the best pakistanis currently possess. If what you are saying is true, could it be possible that a spooked Pak army was probably moving the weapons for possible deployment of some kind...
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Once again pure speculation on my part- The attack on Balakot spooked Napakis big time. India and Shitistan regularly exchange a list of nuclear facilities that are not to be attacked as a mutual treaty.
However, it's also well documented that Napakis have been moving around their nukes to prevent thme from being taken over in a OBL-type operation by NATO/US forces. In the process nukes have been stored in areas that are as inconspicuous as possible and it's likely that some of them could be regular hardened shelters where they could be indistinguishable from the rest of the stock.
The strike on Balakot with penetrative Spice bombs unnerved them, especially since IAF could have used massive ammuntions that could have levelled the mountain top without any collateral damage. The use of Spice was specifically to not only kill the tangos but also demonstrate the ability to penetrate hardened structures and destory from within.
Perhaps, Napakis were spooked enough to try and shift some nukes from the seemingly danger zone to the relative safety of known nuke sites in dark, in a clandestine operation. However, there was something lying in wait for the rats to surface and administered a dosage of pest-e-shaheed.
However, it's also well documented that Napakis have been moving around their nukes to prevent thme from being taken over in a OBL-type operation by NATO/US forces. In the process nukes have been stored in areas that are as inconspicuous as possible and it's likely that some of them could be regular hardened shelters where they could be indistinguishable from the rest of the stock.
The strike on Balakot with penetrative Spice bombs unnerved them, especially since IAF could have used massive ammuntions that could have levelled the mountain top without any collateral damage. The use of Spice was specifically to not only kill the tangos but also demonstrate the ability to penetrate hardened structures and destory from within.
Perhaps, Napakis were spooked enough to try and shift some nukes from the seemingly danger zone to the relative safety of known nuke sites in dark, in a clandestine operation. However, there was something lying in wait for the rats to surface and administered a dosage of pest-e-shaheed.
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NOTAM could be to deny snooping by air assets the movement of ballistic missiles.
Fuse failure during assebly of the arsenal is a good possibility.
The kind of yield Pakistani duds has could have been easily contained by the storage facility. Secondary to explosion or meltdown of the device the shortage of heavy load electric circuits supplying industrial-scale air cooling or other systems cannot be ruled out.
It would be important to have a radiation detection probe in the air or close by local agent to confirm the accident.
Fuse failure during assebly of the arsenal is a good possibility.
The kind of yield Pakistani duds has could have been easily contained by the storage facility. Secondary to explosion or meltdown of the device the shortage of heavy load electric circuits supplying industrial-scale air cooling or other systems cannot be ruled out.
It would be important to have a radiation detection probe in the air or close by local agent to confirm the accident.
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It's actually a part of their doctrine. The Nasr pataakha is expected to do exactly that- nuke their territory to stop an Indian advance.Will be funny and fitting, If porkis end up nuking themselves
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An Outlandish theory from me- But since the "accident" happened OUTSIDE the nuke facility, perhaps these nukes were actually BEING BROUGHT INTO the nuke facility from somewhere less secure and were ambushed in the process.
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All in all a real scary scenario for India and the rest of the world. If one goes by the article posted by @sorcerer one of the facilities is in khyber province, not far from the balakot camp were terrorists were being indoctrinated to hate Indians, jews Americans. All the more reasons why Pakistan should be nuclear weapons free.
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Well...its not all happy happy..
Pashtun unity
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theres some real huge protest in pakistan cities almost on a daily basis.
looks like a programmed implosion.
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Remember Pakistani keep their nukes in mobile , with no security cover nothing. It seems they called back mobile units and something happened.
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