India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021)

JBH22

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Balkanisation of Pakistan is an necessity.
At least PoK and GB should be conquered /merged with India.
All the cry babies who raise disaster scenarios of India being forced to integrate large Muslim population should give up the scare mongering. If India can live with 100 million Muslims, another 5 or 10 million will not make any difference.
You would have to feed, develop them without actually owning that piece of land. it will drama of altering demographic all over again

If Pakistan does not retain any part of Kashmir, what is there to fight for. The psychological blow of loosing Kashmir will probably paralyse them for quite some time.
Losing half of east pakistan did not stop them from creating trouble in Punjab, Kashmir and Kargil. They are religiously indoctrinated to re establish muslim rule over Indian subcontinent. That's is their GOAL

The options before Pakistan.
Either accept the permanent loss of Kashmir or in case they wish to fight further, be prepared to lose Sindhudesh, Balochistan and Pakhtoonistan.
Balkanisation of that state is our benefit different nationality will keep our western front peaceful.
Might as well create a small Christian state for Pakistan christian.

The Chinese at present are openly taking sides and have indulged in border transgressions in support of their mistress Pakistan. Having already overreached they cannot escalate further without live bullets being fired. And they pretty well know that once a real war starts dead bodies of PLA soldiers will start reaching their cities, towns and villages. A hard reality check for the Chinese Communist Party.
CCP could not care less what cities, town and villages think,, they will send in tank to beat them into submission.

China is still not in a position to take on the US across the whole spectrum of warfare. They probably would like to first build up their economic and military power and then challenge the US.
US is a declining power, and China will have to prove itself to take the mantle of superpower. So it will have to beat an adversary to show the supremacy of PLA. Who that guinea pig will be i don't know

So the present geopolitical situation is conducive for the assault on Pakistan. But one reality is that we would need the support of Washington to achieve our objectives. An India - US - Nato arrangement can neutralize Pakistan's nuclear weapons, the joker in the pack. The Rawalpindi Generals believe that their nuclear weapons will save them but they will be badly mistaken. I believe that the India - US - Nato force will successfully track down all the nuclear weapons and seize them or at least make them inoperational.
Trusting west to advance your agenda would be biggest mistake we can do. They never will treat you as an equal. To them irrespective of what you may think, you are the caricature of what they show in their movies.
So head wobbling geek who need to be submit to their whims and caprices.

I don't anticipate the Chinese sending their troops into Pakistan to aid them. They will be slaughtered. It will be a repeat of the experience of the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.
PLA may not send troops on ground, but it can provide help Russian style like they do in Syria. who knows :)
 

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The cost we are paying..



And I agree.
And the issue
Is An Ambush

Lol MMS literally stopped IAF to taking action
Against porkies after 26/11

It's Modi which set Predence

Allowing a Air strike Deep inside Pakistan
Breaking Pak nuclear psychological barrier

Soldiers casualties are not New to kashmir
There many since 2014
 

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Can anyone respond on how the enemy is getting such pictures to mock our dead soilders who is supplying them with this

 

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You would have to feed, develop them without actually owning that piece of land. it will drama of altering demographic all over again


Losing half of east pakistan did not stop them from creating trouble in Punjab, Kashmir and Kargil. They are religiously indoctrinated to re establish muslim rule over Indian subcontinent. That's is their GOAL


Balkanisation of that state is our benefit different nationality will keep our western front peaceful.
Might as well create a small Christian state for Pakistan christian.


CCP could not care less what cities, town and villages think,, they will send in tank to beat them into submission.


US is a declining power, and China will have to prove itself to take the mantle of superpower. So it will have to beat an adversary to show the supremacy of PLA. Who that guinea pig will be i don't know


Trusting west to advance your agenda would be biggest mistake we can do. They never will treat you as an equal. To them irrespective of what you may think, you are the caricature of what they show in their movies.
So head wobbling geek who need to be submit to their whims and caprices.


PLA may not send troops on ground, but it can provide help Russian style like they do in Syria. who knows :)
You are entitled to hold your view.
But it kind of looks a diffident and very cautious outlook.
We don't admire Israel for being beset by doubts and indecision. On the contrary it is admired for its resolute action and determination to succeed despite odds

Though I would love to see India accomplishing all its objectives without any body's help, we have to accept the present realities.

China is already breathing down our neck. Taking on both China and Pakistan together without some sort of Western help would be difficult. Unless we quickly develop an large arsenal of nuclear weapons and decide to employ them as part of our deterrent strategy.

And realistically can India alone neutralize all of Pakistan's nuclear weapons. Do we have sufficient credible intelligence on the location of each and every one of Pakistan's nuclear weapons. And do we have the means to reach those hundreds of nuclear weapons dispersed across Pakistan. The US has for long had to contend with a much more larger Soviet /Russian nuclear arsenal and has developed weapons and means to neutralize them.

Anyway let us agree to disagree.
 

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And the issue
Is An Ambush

Lol MMS literally stopped IAF to taking action
Against porkies after 26/11

It's Modi which set Predence

Allowing a Air strike Deep inside Pakistan
Breaking Pak nuclear psychological barrier

Soldiers casualties are not New to kashmir
There many since 2014
MMS didn't take action because of immense US pressure as US was in Afghanistan. Trump gave Modi a free hand and hence could do whatever he wanted.

Now, the situation has changed. Only time can tell how Modi will handle Biden.
 

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Drones can be useful, yes, but this is like finding needle in a haystack, need small drones with explosives for this kind of job. Not sure we have those/enough of those.
Small drones inside the forest!? We need something that will fly above the forest, carrying something like hellfire.
 

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I can't understand a simple thing. Just burn the forests along Line of Control permanently, at least for 5 Km from the Line. Destroy all trees. It is knows fact that this Terrorists travel via Forest cover in Jammu sector. I think in north of Srinagar (kargil etc) trespassing is difficult due to terrain.

And if any Environ activist/ Buddhijibbi raises alarm, shoot them at the head too...... This cycle is becoming unbearable. What happened to all Radars, cameras, thermal scanners, AIOS ??

We are loosing precious life like anything. Remember if Pakis can't get their people across LoC infiltration will stop rapidly. Local terrorists can't sustain much.
 

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Small drones inside the forest!? We need something that will fly above the forest, carrying something like hellfire.

Don't think it will be useful when there is a thick foliage cover. It won't be able to penetrate that cover and see underneath.
 

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The cost we are paying..



And I agree.
-- coal scam,
-- 2g scam

Apart from that,

Did you forget what used to happen in dantewara, and other naxal belt, as one user pointed out he literally stopped IAF.

9 soldiers KIA is sad, but this comparison is disgusting. Now human is as disgraced as MMS, even after a being a citizen of free country, he was a puppet(slave).
Can anyone respond on how the enemy is getting such pictures to mock our dead soilders who is supplying them with this

someone was telling here that, this handle is neutral and he is in contact with army and establishment.
Doesn't look like it.
 

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-- coal scam,
-- 2g scam

Apart from that,

Did you forget what used to happen in dantewara, and other naxal belt, as one user pointed out he literally stopped IAF.

9 soldiers KIA is sad, but this comparison is disgusting. Now human is as disgraced as MMS, even after a being a citizen of free country, he was a puppet(slave).

someone was telling here that, this handle is neutral and he is in contact with army and establishment.
Doesn't look like it.
At the end of the day MMS was on mute. So is NM. Our history of inaction continues. One of the chips which current party cashed to win the election was national security. As far as I am concerned, they have not delivered. China mocking us on a daily basis, accepting ceasefire with Pakistan proves that.

Secondly, I agree about that handle, looks seriously suspicious.
 

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I can't understand a simple thing. Just burn the forests along Line of Control permanently, at least for 5 Km from the Line. Destroy all trees. It is knows fact that this Terrorists travel via Forest cover in Jammu sector. I think in north of Srinagar (kargil etc) trespassing is difficult due to terrain.

And if any Environ activist/ Buddhijibbi raises alarm, shoot them at the head too...... This cycle is becoming unbearable. What happened to all Radars, cameras, thermal scanners, AIOS ??

We are loosing precious life like anything. Remember if Pakis can't get their people across LoC infiltration will stop rapidly. Local terrorists can't sustain much.
Those forest can become a place from where we can also launch our SF for a raid/strike if needed. Forests are present at several parts of LOC, at times they also provide us with covers. Leaving 5km of land open will also allow the enemy to maintain easy surveillance of our troops/positions.
 

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