Imported Single Engine Fighter Jet Contest

[G10]

I was seeing cost of lca wrt F16. F16 is 20m dollars and tejas is 24m. I dont understand what makes lca costly?

 

[airtel]

I was seeing cost of lca wrt F16. F16 is 20m dollars and tejas is 24m. I dont understand what makes lca costly?

40 years Ago , F-16 was worth 20 million $ (Without Engine & weapons ) ..............today cost of Latest version of F-16 will be more than 180 million$ (complete package Including weapon , Engines ) ................while Tejas is worth 85 million $ (complete Package ) .................check cost & order of 83 tejas which was recently ordered .

 

[HariPrasad-1]

RD-33-3 that was never in the picture or was it??
It doesn't seem logical as Vietnam has no way to know if Kaveri would succeed in coming years also ??

IAF might have insisted upon GE engines but in medium term upgrade they can be replaced by improved Kaveri .

France had said that 70% work is done and 30% remains to be done. So let us hope that kaveri became a 90 KN thrust engine atleast if not more. If Dry thrust increases from 51 KN to somewhere around 55 KN, it will be a great advantage. Aerodynamic improvement and weight reduction should make tejas MK1+ a very nice fighter.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

40 years Ago , F-16 was worth 20 million $ (Without Engine & weapons ) ..............today cost of Latest version of F-16 will be more than 180 million$ (complete package Including weapon , Engines ) ................while Tejas is worth 85 million $ (complete Package ) .................check cost & order of 83 tejas which was recently ordered .

recently, F16 was offered to pakistan for 80 mn USD.

 

[airtel]

recently, F16 was offered to pakistan for 80 mn USD.

that was Blk 52 ............& i think that was the price without Engines & weapons system .

 

[HariPrasad-1]

that was Blk 52 ............& i think that was the price without Engines & weapons system .

It can't be without engine though weapon might not have included in it.

 

[airtel]

I was seeing cost of lca wrt F16. F16 is 20m dollars and tejas is 24m. I dont understand what makes lca costly?

recently, F16 was offered to pakistan for 80 mn USD.

It can't be without engine though weapon might not have included in it.

UAE raises possible deal for "Block 61" F-16

• 24 January, 2014
• BY: Stephen Trimble
• Washington DC

A routine disclosure by the US Department of Defense reveals the UAE has increased the size and scope of a potential Lockheed Martin F-16 order, which now includes a mysterious “Block 61” designation.

The UAE government is continuing to negotiate a direct commercial sale with Lockheed, but the number of fighters in discussion has increased from 25 to 30, according to a Defense Security Cooperation Agency notice to Congress posted on 24 January.

The DSCA normally does not become involved in commercial sales, but the potential F-16 deal with the UAE could include support equipment that must be covered under a foreign military sale that requires congressional notification. The $270 million price tag of the proposed support equipment pales in comparison to the value of the commercial sale of the fighters.

Last April, a senior defence official who briefed reporters said that a sale of 25 F-16s to the UAE could be worth slightly less than $5 billion.

The UAE is now negotiating to buy 30 F-16s, the new DSCA notice says. If the average cost of the fighters remains about $200 million, the value of the deal could rise by nearly $1 billion with five more aircraft.

The DSCA notice describes the new F-16s as “Block 61” aircraft. Lockheed was not immediately available to describe how the Block 61 is different than the 80 F-16 Block 60s purchased by the UAE more than a decade ago.

The Block 60 is configured with General Electric F110-GE-132 engines, Northrop Grumman APG-80 agile beam radars and a Northrop electronic warfare system.

Lockheed and now BAE Systems are now offering upgraded F-16 configurations that include two options for an active electronically scanned array (AESA) – the Northrop scaleable agile beam radar (SABR) and the Raytheon active combat radar (RACR).

The DSCA notice also notes that the proposed commercial sale includes an upgrade package for the UAE’s existing F-16 Block 60 fleet, but does not provide any details.

The UAE had selected Dassault to supply the Rafale fighter to replace more than 60 Mirage 2000s. As pricing negotiations dragged on, the UAE was understood to split the order between the Rafale or the Eurofighter Typhoon and a second batch of F-16s.

Eurofighter confirmed recently that the Typhoon is no longer in consideration by the UAE, leaving only the Rafale in the running to claim the majority of the Mirage 2000 replacement.



https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...ssible-deal-for-quotblock-61quot-f-16-395235/



^ this was the real price of Blk 60 , now Latest Blk 70 would be much more costly ..............Rafael deal was extremely Good

 

[HariPrasad-1]

UAE raises possible deal for "Block 61" F-16

• 24 January, 2014
• BY: Stephen Trimble
• Washington DC

A routine disclosure by the US Department of Defense reveals the UAE has increased the size and scope of a potential Lockheed Martin F-16 order, which now includes a mysterious “Block 61” designation.

The UAE government is continuing to negotiate a direct commercial sale with Lockheed, but the number of fighters in discussion has increased from 25 to 30, according to a Defense Security Cooperation Agency notice to Congress posted on 24 January.

The DSCA normally does not become involved in commercial sales, but the potential F-16 deal with the UAE could include support equipment that must be covered under a foreign military sale that requires congressional notification. The $270 million price tag of the proposed support equipment pales in comparison to the value of the commercial sale of the fighters.

Last April, a senior defence official who briefed reporters said that a sale of 25 F-16s to the UAE could be worth slightly less than $5 billion.

The UAE is now negotiating to buy 30 F-16s, the new DSCA notice says. If the average cost of the fighters remains about $200 million, the value of the deal could rise by nearly $1 billion with five more aircraft.

The DSCA notice describes the new F-16s as “Block 61” aircraft. Lockheed was not immediately available to describe how the Block 61 is different than the 80 F-16 Block 60s purchased by the UAE more than a decade ago.

The Block 60 is configured with General Electric F110-GE-132 engines, Northrop Grumman APG-80 agile beam radars and a Northrop electronic warfare system.

Lockheed and now BAE Systems are now offering upgraded F-16 configurations that include two options for an active electronically scanned array (AESA) – the Northrop scaleable agile beam radar (SABR) and the Raytheon active combat radar (RACR).

The DSCA notice also notes that the proposed commercial sale includes an upgrade package for the UAE’s existing F-16 Block 60 fleet, but does not provide any details.

The UAE had selected Dassault to supply the Rafale fighter to replace more than 60 Mirage 2000s. As pricing negotiations dragged on, the UAE was understood to split the order between the Rafale or the Eurofighter Typhoon and a second batch of F-16s.

Eurofighter confirmed recently that the Typhoon is no longer in consideration by the UAE, leaving only the Rafale in the running to claim the majority of the Mirage 2000 replacement.



https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...ssible-deal-for-quotblock-61quot-f-16-395235/



^ this was the real price of Blk 60 , now Latest Blk 70 would be much more costly ..............Rafael deal was extremely Good

The market F16 has got is unprecedented and envious. We need to learn lesson and should get LCA Mk1+ quickly and establish 32 per year capability so as to make it export viable and earn a huge amount of money. Make LCA MK2 ready by 2020 and induct in 2022. Mk2 shall be a bloody @$$ kicking capability.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

UAE raises possible deal for "Block 61" F-16

• 24 January, 2014
• BY: Stephen Trimble
• Washington DC

A routine disclosure by the US Department of Defense reveals the UAE has increased the size and scope of a potential Lockheed Martin F-16 order, which now includes a mysterious “Block 61” designation.

The UAE government is continuing to negotiate a direct commercial sale with Lockheed, but the number of fighters in discussion has increased from 25 to 30, according to a Defense Security Cooperation Agency notice to Congress posted on 24 January.

The DSCA normally does not become involved in commercial sales, but the potential F-16 deal with the UAE could include support equipment that must be covered under a foreign military sale that requires congressional notification. The $270 million price tag of the proposed support equipment pales in comparison to the value of the commercial sale of the fighters.

Last April, a senior defence official who briefed reporters said that a sale of 25 F-16s to the UAE could be worth slightly less than $5 billion.

The UAE is now negotiating to buy 30 F-16s, the new DSCA notice says. If the average cost of the fighters remains about $200 million, the value of the deal could rise by nearly $1 billion with five more aircraft.

The DSCA notice describes the new F-16s as “Block 61” aircraft. Lockheed was not immediately available to describe how the Block 61 is different than the 80 F-16 Block 60s purchased by the UAE more than a decade ago.

The Block 60 is configured with General Electric F110-GE-132 engines, Northrop Grumman APG-80 agile beam radars and a Northrop electronic warfare system.

Lockheed and now BAE Systems are now offering upgraded F-16 configurations that include two options for an active electronically scanned array (AESA) – the Northrop scaleable agile beam radar (SABR) and the Raytheon active combat radar (RACR).

The DSCA notice also notes that the proposed commercial sale includes an upgrade package for the UAE’s existing F-16 Block 60 fleet, but does not provide any details.

The UAE had selected Dassault to supply the Rafale fighter to replace more than 60 Mirage 2000s. As pricing negotiations dragged on, the UAE was understood to split the order between the Rafale or the Eurofighter Typhoon and a second batch of F-16s.

Eurofighter confirmed recently that the Typhoon is no longer in consideration by the UAE, leaving only the Rafale in the running to claim the majority of the Mirage 2000 replacement.



https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...ssible-deal-for-quotblock-61quot-f-16-395235/



^ this was the real price of Blk 60 , now Latest Blk 70 would be much more costly ..............Rafael deal was extremely Good

Rafael as a plane is bellow 100 mn USD. Rest of the amount is for weapon training etc. I strongly recommend 18 more rfale @ 1.5 to 1.6 bn USD. This is a bloody @$$ kicking weapon and shall check china and we can demolish Porkistan as and when we want. We can demolish them even if they buy get junk 20.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

capabilty although i would say that Gripen is slightly more advanced than the LCA mk-2

Which version? ????????????????????

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Yes why not tejas can be a competitor of F 16 block 60. MK2 shall be light in weight , Highly agile as a platform. Vivek Ahuja in his simulation has clearly written that tejas has an edge in dog fight. Any weight reduction tejas will give a disproportionate upward rise in performance. so F 16 can not beat tejas Mk2 in dog fight.

So far as BVR combat is concern, low rcs and Uttam with best in class EW will not be behind F 16 by any mean. So I do not know in which area will F 16 will lead tejas? Tejas can definitely compete against F 16 in all perameter including weight carrying and range also.

 

[Ravinath]

I hear that Tejas is less maneuverable than F16. But that in other areas it is comparable.

 

[WolfPack86]

Lockheed Martin prepares bid to build F-16IN Block 70 "Super Viper" in India

Lockheed Martin has held meetings with a host of Indian companies to support the corporation's proposal to build its F-16 Fighting Falcon aircraft in India.

Randy Howard, director of business development in Lockheed Martin's Integrated Fighter Group, said in comments to IHS Jane's on 22 November that the company met with about 40 Indian firms earlier in the month in Bangalore.

He added, "Our objective was to further engage with Indian industry to better understand their unique capabilities and gauge their interest in a potential F-16 Block 70 'Make in India' opportunity. Based on all of the positive discussions we had in Bangalore, and the strong turnout from Indian industry, these engagements actually exceeded our expectations."

Source: IHS Jane's 360
https://www.facebook.com/pg/thegreatindiandefence/photos/?ref=page_internal

 

[WolfPack86]

US Congress Seeks Major Defense Partner Recognition For India

WASHINGTON: A powerful US Congressional conference committee has asked the Defence Secretary and the Secretary of State to take steps necessary to recognise India as America's major defence partner in a bid to strengthen bilateral security cooperation.
The provision mentioned in the voluminous Congressional conference report, running into more than 3,000 pages, on $618 billion National Defence Authorisation Bill (NDAA), in another significant development asks the Defence Secretary and the Secretary of State to conduct an assessment of the extent to which India possesses capabilities to support and carry out military operations of mutual interest of the two countries.
This, including an assessment of the defence export control regulations and policies, need appropriate modification in recognition of India's capabilities and its status as a major defence partner, said the conference report which was unveiled by the House and Senate Armed Services Committee yesterday.
It now needs to be formally passed by the two chambers of the Congress -- the House of Representatives and Senate -- before US President Barack Obama can sign it into law.
Majority of the decisions of the Section 1292 of NDAA called "Enhancing defence and security cooperation with India" would, however, have to be taken by the incoming Donald Trump Administration which would take charge on January 20.
The language arrived in the conference report and NDAA has been agreed upon by both the Republican and the Democratic Party.
NDAA 2017 authorises funding for the Department of Defence and the national security programmes of the Department of Energy.
Senator John McCain said, it "enhances security cooperation between the United States and India".
McCain is Chairman of the powerful Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
However, NDAA 2017 is still a step below what friends of India have been working for in the Congress for the past few years -- bringing the defence relationship at par with top NATO allies and Israel.
"The President shall ensure that the assessment" is used, consistent with US conventional arms transfer policy, to inform the review by the US of requests to export defence articles, defence services, or related technology to India under the Arms Export Control Act and to inform any regulatory and policy adjustments that may be appropriate, it said.
NDAA 2017 also urged the Administration to designate an individual within the executive branch who has experience in defence acquisition and technology -- to reinforce and ensure, through inter-agency policy coordination, the success of the Framework for the US-India Defence Relationship and to help resolve remaining issues impeding Indo-US defence trade, security cooperation and co-production and co-development opportunities.
It seeks approval and facilitation of transfer of advanced technology, consistent with US conventional arms transfer policy, to support combined military planning with India's military for missions such as humanitarian assistance and disaster relief, counter piracy, freedom of navigation, maritime domain awareness missions and to promote weapons systems interoperability.
Calling to strengthen the effectiveness of the US-India Defense Trade and Technology Initiative and the durability of the Department of Defence's 'India Rapid Reaction Cell', NDAA 2017 also seeks collaboration with India to develop mutually agreeable mechanisms to verify the security of defence articles, defence services and related technology such as appropriate cyber security and end use monitoring arrangements consistent with US' export control laws and policy.
After the passage of the bill, within 180 days, the Secretary of Defence and Secretary of State have been asked to jointly submit to the congressional defence committees and the Committee on Foreign Relations of the Senate and the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives a report on how the US is supporting its defence relationship with India.
Among other things it seeks to enhance cooperative military operations, including maritime security, counter-piracy, counter-terror cooperation, and domain awareness, in the Indo-Asia-Pacific region.
This comes as a compromise between the House and Senate versions of the bill which had different languages with regard to India.
The Senate bill contained a provision (section 1247) that would enhance military cooperation between the US and India by recommending the Secretary of Defence take certain steps regarding exchanges between senior military officers and senior civilian defence officials of the two countries.
The House amendment contained a similar provision (section 1262) that would require certain actions by the Secretary of Defence and the Secretary of State to enhance defence and security cooperation between India and the United States.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/12/us-congress-seeks-major-defense-partner.html

 

[India22]

Nah. For us Upgraded Mirage 2000, Jaguar Darin III, Tejas and MiG 29 UPG are enough. Rafael will come by 2019 Better buy license to produce Mirage 2000 and MiG 29 and start fresh production of Jaguar III. If we add stealth plates, these planes will have semi-stealth feature. We have Tejas as well.

 

[Blackwater]

y not amrriki offer f-22 raptor rather then junk 16 and 18..

 

[IndianHawk]

y not amrriki offer f-22 raptor rather then junk 16 and 18..

They will when FGFA , AMCA will be close to induction.:biggrin2:

 

[Blackwater]

They will when FGFA , AMCA will be close to induction.:biggrin2:

u mean in 2099 :biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2:

 

[Butter Chicken]

If we buy F-16 ,we will use flying them in the year 2050.Imagine that :bounce:

 

[India22]

If we buy F-16 ,we will use flying them in the year 2050.Imagine that :bounce:

Same is with Rafael, still many people support purchasing it.