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@WolfPack86 any idea of the range of the F 16 with the Conformal fuel tanks.
Export aircraft for Greece, Chile, Israel, Poland, Turkey, Singapore, Morocco, Egypt and the UAE are plumbed for carriage of two CFTs mounted on top of the aircraft near the wing root. Each is capable of holding 450 US gallons (1,703.4 L)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_fuel_tank
4,220 km with conformal fuel tank
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_MRCA_competition
India initially sent the RFI for a F-16C/D Block 52+ configuration aircraft. On 17 January 2008, Lockheed Martin offered a customized version of the F-16, the F-16IN Super Viper for the Indian MMRCA contract.[52] The F-16IN, which is similar to the F-16 Block 60, will be a 4.5 generation aircraft. Lockheed Martin has stated that it will be the most advanced F-16 variant developed. It will be more advanced than the F-16 Block 52s that the Pakistan Air Force has acquired.

Lockheed Martin described the F-16IN as "the most advanced and capable F-16 ever." Based closely on the F-16E/F Block 60 as supplied to the UAE, the features on the F-16IN include:[53]

  • Conformal Fuel Tanks (CFTs) – This will give the F-16IN a combat range of 1700 km with 1500 kg weapons load.
  • A Northrop Grumman AN/APG-80 AESA (active electronically scanned array) radar.[54] This is the same radar in service on the F-16 Block 60s in service in UAE.
  • General Electric F110-132A engine with 143 kN full afterburning thrust with FADEC Controls.
  • Electronic warfare suites and infra-red searching.
  • Advanced all-color glass cockpit.
  • Helmet-mounted cueing system.
Lockheed Martin offered to sell India the F-35 Lightning II aircraft in the future, as replacements, if the F-16 was chosen.[53]

In 2005, a senior IAF officer made a presentation that stated the Indian Mirage 2000H is less prone to pilot errors than other Mirage 2000 versions and the F-16.
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American Defense Major Offers To Shift Fighter Aircraft F16 Production Line To India
 

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Lockheed Martin Ready To Manufacture In India

by Koushik Das
Lockheed Martin (LM) plans to manufacture ‘F-16’ fighter jets in India. The American defense major has confirmed that it recently offered to move its lone production line of the latest version of F-16, named ‘Block-70’, to India from Texas. Speaking at a media conference in New Delhi, Head (F-16 Business Development) of LM Randall L Howard recently said that the proposed move would help meet the Indian and global requirement.
However, Howard made clear that the proposal was “conditional” and LM would move its lone production line to the South Asian country only if the Indian Air Force (IAF) agreed to acquire the world’s largest-sold fighter aircraft for its fleet. “The offer we have given to the Indian government is unmatched and from our side unprecedented,” he told reporters. Howard further said that LM wanted to manufacture F-16 Block-70 “for India, from India and export to the world”
Interestingly, Howard avoided questions on whether LM had any plan to sell F-16s to Pakistan, saying that the Indian and American governments would discuss the issue later. Meanwhile, Indian Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said that New Delhi would choose at least one more aircraft, apart from the indigenous ‘Tejas’, for the IAF through the ‘Make in India’ route. It means that India is still not ready to accept the LM’s conditional offer.
Defense experts have opined that LM cannot force the IAF to acquire F-16s because its American rival Boeing (F/A-18E), France’s Dassault Aviation (Rafale), Sweden’s Saab (Gripen) and the Eurofighter are also eyeing the Indian market. More importantly, all the companies have offered to set up a production facility in the Indian capital without any “condition”.
Howard tried his best to convince the Indian government to acquire F-16s for the IAF, saying that it would be a “win-win situation” for both New Delhi and LM. He argued that the F-16 Block-70 would be the best fighter aircraft in the South Asian region. “It is critical for you to pick up a partner who will deliver on his promise,” Howard told the Indian officials.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/08/lockheed-martin-ready-to-manufacture-f.html
 

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A pathetic try from LM to boost a little bit more the F16 production.....

No way.
F16 is too well known by Paki and China.
F16 is outdated, even in block 60, 70.... Wings are now too small for a light plane becoming fat.
India will never help a reborn of a possible competitor of its Tejas. Inside India and outside India.

Stop dreaming.
 

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India Could Become Next Hub for F-16 Jets in a Blow to Pakistan

Lockheed Martin Corp.’s offer to shift all of its F-16 manufacturing to India comes with an added benefit for Prime Minister Narendra Modi: A strategic win against nuclear rival Pakistan.
The proposal would give India partial control along with the U.S. over which countries are able to purchase F-16 fighter jets and spare parts, according to people familiar with the situation who asked not to be identified because the information isn’t public. That may allow India to choke off key supplies to Pakistan, which has relied on F-16s as its main aerial defense for decades, if the U.S. allows it do so.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ch-to-india-f-16s-jobs-and-a-blow-to-pakistan


It looks like Pakistan is close to eternal damnation with its F-16 fleet. Of course Pakistan can always rummage US bone yards for F-16 parts but for future upgrades Pakistan may have to deal with India already. This also shows US exasperation with Pakistan.

On the other hand, a transfer of F-16 production line and potential parts manufacturing to India would put India in the middle of F-16 Worldwide sustainment system that covers practically all the major US allies. Poland, Netherlands, Norway, Singapore, Indonesia, Thailand, Greece, Israel, Belgium, Denmark, etc. all will potentially have to deal with India now for their F-16 needs. How's that for a benefit?
 

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"The proposal would give India partial control along with the U.S. over which countries are able to purchase F-16 fighter jets and spare parts"

All is said : India will never have the hand. It's always like that with USA.
 

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India Could Become Next Hub for F-16 Jets in a Blow to Pakistan
Lockheed Martin Corp.’s offer to shift all of its F-16 manufacturing to India comes with an added benefit for Prime Minister Narendra Modi: A strategic win against nuclear rival Pakistan.

The proposal would give India partial control along with the U.S. over which countries are able to purchase F-16 fighter jets and spare parts, according to people familiar with the situation who asked not to be identified because the information isn’t public. That may allow India to choke off key supplies to Pakistan, which has relied on F-16s as its main aerial defense for decades, if the U.S. allows it do so.

“Some components may be produced only in India," Abhay Paranjape, director of business development at Lockheed Martin Aeronautics, said in an interview about the company’s F-16 proposal.

Asked whether Pakistan would still be able to source F-16 jets or parts elsewhere under the arrangement, Paranjape said questions about foreign military sales policies should be referred to the U.S. government. Roger Cabiness, a spokesman for the U.S. Department of Defense, in turn referred questions on the sale of F-16 spare parts to Lockheed.

The strategic element is a key selling point as Lockheed pushes to win an order that may exceed 100 fighter jets, part of Modi’s plan to spend $150 billion on the armed forces and create jobs under his “Make-in-India" policy. A deal would breathe new life into the F-16, an older model than the stealth F-35 warplane, and further boost U.S.-India defense ties at the expense of Pakistan.
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“What we are doing is putting India as the center of the supply base," Randall Howard, Lockheed Martin’s aeronautics business development director, said on Aug. 4 in New Delhi. “Today, there is no potential Pakistan sale."

India and Pakistan have been enemies ever since partition when Britain exited the region in 1947. The nuclear-armed neighbors have fought three wars over disputed territory, and have few economic ties.

U.S. relations with Pakistan have worsened in recent years. Congress in May refused to give subsidies for Pakistan to buy new F-16s, prompting it to consider buying used ones from Jordan instead. The U.S. this month withheld another $300 million in military aid to Pakistan over its failure to take action against terrorists carrying out attacks on American troops in neighboring Afghanistan.


Pakistan Looking Elsewhere ::

Nafees Zakaria, a spokesman for Pakistan’s foreign ministry, declined to answer questions about Lockheed Martin’s F-16 proposal, as did Nungsanglemba Ao, a spokesman for India’s defense ministry.

The company’s overtures to India will prompt Pakistan to look more to China and Russia for military hardware, according to Najam Rafique, director at Islamabad’s Institute of Strategic Studies.


“Pakistan is diversifying its options," he said.

Competition for the India jet order is fierce. Lockheed Martin’s rivals such as Boeing Co. and Saab AB are all offering to shift some production to India as part of their bids to replenish India’s aging fleet. About a third of the nation’s 650 planes are more than 40 years old and set to retire in the next decade.
Stalled Negotiations

Modi last year scaled back an earlier deal with Dassault Aviation SA, opting to buy 36 Rafale fighter jets off the shelf instead of building 126 in India after negotiations hit repeated delays. That effort has since stalled over price, providing an opportunity to other jet-makers to step in. It’s unclear when a decision will be made.

Lockheed’s proposal attempts to turn its greatest weakness -- the fact that Pakistan also flies F-16s -- into a main reason for India to acquire the jet.

“Since India would house the only existing production line, it would be able to deny Pakistan any further platforms or also have influence on Pakistan Air Force logistics," said Pushan Das, who follows military modernization at the Observer Research Foundation in New Delhi.


Lockheed Martin, which is winding down F-16 production in the U.S., has successfully sold the jet for decades. The proposed facility in India would provide much-needed highly skilled jobs as Modi heads into several important state-level elections in 2017.


Manufacturing ‘Ecosystem’ ::

“We are not looking at just assembling India’s F-16 here," Lockheed Martin’s Paranjape said. “We are looking at establishing a complete manufacturing base ecosystem."

Of course, it is still unclear which firm will win India’s lucrative fighter jet contract.

Some analysts dismiss the F-16 as a dated “fourth generation" platform opposed by the Indian Air Force because it won’t have major upgrades in the future. Others like Georgetown University associate professor C. Christine Fair have suggested New Delhi is unlikely to get a more advanced fighter jet made in India because of difficulties with transferring state-of-the-art technology.

While many obstacles remain, an agreement with Lockheed Martin would cement closer ties between the nations if the U.S. government doesn’t prevent the transfer of advanced radar or avionics technologies, according to Anit Mukherjee, an assistant professor at Singapore’s S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies.

“If this deal was to happen -- and that’s a big if -- then it will be a big plus for U.S.-India relations and a significant indicator of the transformation in the defense relationship," he said. “If this deal goes through, and the U.S. is honest about tech transfer, then it has the potential to really build up India’s military-industrial base."

http://www.defencenews.in/article/I...-Hub-for-F-16-Jets-in-a-Blow-to-Pakistan-7653
 

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I think we should go for F-16 and force entire Pakistan Air Force F-16 to the ground. We can deny spare parts to Pakistan Air Force. Pakistan Air Force has 100 F-16
 

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Indian MoD’s $223-bn Plan For Purchase Of Fighter Jets, Submarines, Ships
 

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Manohar Parrikar to go shopping: 500 choppers, over 100 fighter jets, 12 submarines top defence ministry's list
In a bid to boost its military preparedness, India's defence ministry has chalked out an ambitious modernisation plan over the next 10 years at an estimated cost of Rs 15 lakh crore. India will induct 500 helicopters, 12 submarines, over 100 single-engine and 120 twin-engine fighter aircraft as part of defence ministry's Long Term Integrated Perspective Planning — a medium term road-map for a time frame of 2012 to 2027. India is already gearing up to induct ingenious aircraft carriers and artillery guns.

The LLIPP is the first ever detailed financial projection by the ministry, though it has always worked on the basis of such roadmaps.
According to NDTV, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikarhas asked his ministry's officials to project the estimate cost for the LLIPP.

The ministry expects eight percent hike in the annual budget in order to procure new military hardware for the armed forces, the report added.

"A projected growth of 8 percent is a realistic figure to work with," a ministry official told NDTV.

The ministry is likely to get about Rs 13 lakh crore for capital acquisition over the next decade which would lead to a shortfall of between Rs 1.5 lakh to Rs 2 lakh crore, the official further added.

The ministry is, however, planning to scale down its revenue cost in a bid to plug the gap, the report said.

"Our estimates suggest that we will be able to save about Rs 5,000 crore which will be enough tide over the shortfall,"NDTV quoted the official as saying.
http://www.firstpost.com/india/mano...rines-top-defence-ministrys-list-2974532.html
 

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India will induct 500 helicopters, 12 submarines, over 100 single-engine and 120 twin-engine fighter aircraft as part of defence ministry's Long Term Integrated Perspective Planning — a medium term road-map for a time frame of 2012 to 2027. It seems like we will induct 100 single engine fighters will be F-16 and 120 twin-engine fighter will be F-18 Advanced Super Hornet.
 

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It seems like we will induct 100 single engine fighters will be F-16 and 120 twin-engine fighter will be F-18 Advanced Super Hornet.
Sci Fi !

Be serious. Maybe India will baught one US fighter, and it's all but sure, but not two. You are pulling our leg Bro.
Stop alcohol...:daru::doh::daru::doh:
 

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I think we should go for F-16 and force entire Pakistan Air Force F-16 to the ground. We can deny spare parts to Pakistan Air Force. Pakistan Air Force has 100 F-16
Way negative move. We already have edge over them in form of SU-30MKIs, so why bother? Let them keep buying western fighters and go bankrupt. In contrast if they not. They will go for Chinese fighters which will only make our enemies strong.

Most suitable fighter for this 100 seats slot is Tejas MK-2.
 

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There is a lot of disjointed comparison of F16 block 50/52 A, B, C & D also of newest block 60 in this thread. It is hard to form a picture in our own mind.

Compare these all together with upgraded MIG 29, Upgraded Mirage 2000 - both of which India has. Are we better off with new F16, block 60.

Finally, what has Pakistan procured over and above what US supplied them free. Reports are current that in last three years, Pakistan added a lot of upgrades to its F-16s. What upgrades they already have which will overshadow F16 supply to India.
 

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There is a lot of disjointed comparison of F16 block 50/52 A, B, C & D also of newest block 60 in this thread. It is hard to form a picture in our own mind.

Compare these all together with upgraded MIG 29, Upgraded Mirage 2000 - both of which India has. Are we better off with new F16, block 60.

Finally, what has Pakistan procured over and above what US supplied them free. Reports are current that in last three years, Pakistan added a lot of upgrades to its F-16s. What upgrades they already have which will overshadow F16 supply to India.

From @LockheedMartin's media brief today: kit/capabilities on F-16 Block 70 that competes for a@MakeInIndiadeal.

Here's the F-16 Block 70 that @LockheedMartin offers to build in India contingent on firm Indian orders.

It's not Block 60 now US offering India Block 70 F-16 Fighters Jets which is far more advanced than Block 60 and currently Pakistan Air Force Has F-16 Fighters Jets.
 

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Israeli F-16 Pilots to visit India to train with IAF Su-30MKI Pilots
An Israeli air Force squadron is set to visit India next month in the first joint military exercise to take place between the two countries.

The IDF's advanced F-16I "Sufa" fighter-bombers are scheduled to fly alongside Indian Sukhoi-30 jets.
Israel is the second-largest supplier of weapons systems to India (after Russia), and has sold the Indians guided missiles and drones.

The improved relationship between the two countries has already seen India abstaining on a number of anti-Israel resolutions at the UN, where once it routinely voted on the Arab side.

The countries' leaders, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Prime Minister Narendra Modi, have a strong personal relationship and, according to diplomatic sources, agree on a wide range of foreign policy issues.

The IDF deployment will be a reciprocal visit after India sent fighters to train in Israel earlier this year. Israel will be watching closely to see whether India publicises the return mission.

http://www.defencenews.in/article/I...-India-to-train-with-IAF-Su-30MKI-Pilots-7732
 

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I don't see many positives to buying the F-16 , there are some potentially huge positives like grounding Pakistani F-16 squadrons by becoming manufacturers,but this would only work if we are the exclusive manufacturers of F-16 parts which won't be the case,we won't have any authority over to whom the parts manufactured in Texas get sold to,so it's really far fateched.

F-16,or for that matter any 4/4++ gen aircraft would be a giant waste of money,
We should not settle for anything less than a 5th gen fighter like the F-35

If we absolutely had to buy something I'd say , begrudgingly to stick with Rafale to avoid logistics nightmare assuming the 36 Rafales don't get binned.

If they do then the Super Duper Uber Hornet is probably the best considering Price/Performance and can be used on the new Carriers

No point in splurging big money on 4++ gen fighters like Rafale and no point in getting F-16 when we have Tejas
 

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America-India Bhai-Buy?
President Barack Obama’s nearly eight years in office form a remarkable arc. He moved from pursuing a G-2 condominium with China, excluding New Delhi, to crafting a joint strategic document with India.
Obviously, his advisers — Hillary Clinton was a big fan of G-2 — woke up in time before gains made by the Bush administration with India were squandered. Things warmed up slowly and the trust has certainly grown. But questions remain on how far either is willing to go for the other.
To what extent will Washington adjust its broader national security policies in South Asia to bolster India? And how tightly is New Delhi willing to embrace America? It’s noteworthy that the once-reluctant US government today enthusiastically supports making F-16s in India.
But will it sell armed Predator drones now that India has joined the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR)? Or would the ancient American logic of not altering the basic military balance in South Asia continue to dominate?
Defence minister Manohar Parrikar’s Washington foray was to nail down the big things. He managed to lead India to the signing table after more than a decade of indecision and opposition to sign a logistics agreement, allowing the two militaries to use each other’s facilities. It should extend the Indian Navy’s reach in the east.
At the same time, US Secretary of State John Kerry and Commerce Secretary Penny Pritzker were in New Delhi for the second Strategic and Commercial Dialogue, leading a team of officials from 12 US agencies. As a senior state department official said, the meetings are an opportunity to “reflect upon where we have come” and “where we want to go”.
Obama and Prime Minister Narendra Modi have met seven times since 2014 and will meet again for the G-20 summit in China next month. The key issue for Obama remains the ratification of the climate change agreement to solidify his legacy. Kerry most certainly would have pushed India on that. But India has linked ratification to its membership in the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) where China and a few other countries opposed India’s entry in June.
Would Obama spend a bit of his remaining political capital to make things happen before he leaves office? India has met the requirements for admission into the NSG as US officials repeatedly stress. But US diplomatic muscle hasn’t been able to translate eligibility into membership. Yet.
On the defence front, progress is more tangible. Parrikar’s main objective with Defense Secretary Ashton Carter was to crystallise details of technology transfer issues, the crux of India being designated a “major defence partner”.
Parrikar had to judge what technology the US government is actually willing to part with, given the strong pitch by American defence majors offering to shift entire aircraft production lines to India. Company executives talk in superlative terms but all the lethal stuff (air-to-air missiles, Aesa (Active Electronically Scanned Array) radar and systems to identify friend or foe) is controlled by the US government.
Lockheed Martin wants to move its F-16/block 70 manufacturing line to India so long as it gets an order of 100 planes from the Indian Air Force. “The F-16s we would produce in India would be the most advanced and tailored to their requirements,” Abhay Paranjape, director of business development, Lockheed Martin Aeronautics, told me.
The IAF has already been “shown” the improvements made since F-16 was in the running for the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA). Besides creating jobs under ‘Make in India’, the process would help the country become part of a valuable global supply chain. “What we have offered is unprecedented,” insists Paranjape.
But as always, the devil is in the detail. Contrary to some reports, India will not control who buys the planes or spare parts. It would be Washington. Those getting excited about choking off Pakistan and scoring a ‘strategic win’ should hold their horses.
The big questions remain unanswered. Would it be licensed manufacturing and broad technology transfer? Or acquisition by India of technology owned by Lockheed? The latter would make India the owner of intellectual property, allowing for more control on exports.
Then there is the mother of all dilemmas: Pakistan uses older versions of the F-16s. The IAF may not want to fly the same aircraft. Sweden’s Gripen, which is also in the running, may score on that front.
What’s clear is that New Delhi will drill down and vet what’s on offer to get the best deal and bend the arc India’s way.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/08/america-india-bhai-buy.html
 

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