Genocide of Hindus in Pakistan & Bangladesh.

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Ram teri Ganga maeli ho gayi ,papiyo ke paap dhote dho gayi.


only option for Hindus in pak, ...go to Canada
 

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I hope Hindus organize themselves RICH take care of teh poor and Migrate to Canada/US/UK/Sweden....... They have no future in any Islamic land....Islam which dominates the erstwhile Hindu lands, will not let them live in the land of the origin. India being secular will allow Islamic Bangalis, however will not allow Hindus from pakistan who are actually persecuted! Islamic people will not let Hindu women go rape free or let non-muslims prosper!

All Hindus/Sikhs/Christians from pakistan should migrate to the West - Bottom line is that Islam is incompatible with any other faith!
 

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Pakistani Hindus 'willingly' embracing Islam to avoid discrimination

Pakistani Hindus 'willingly' embracing Islam to avoid discrimination - Times Of India

AMRITSAR: Many Pakistani Hindu's from Sindh and Punjab have started 'willingly' embracing Islam and many others have renamed themselves taking Muslim names to avoid revelation of their true identity from public in wake of the recent spate of their persecution , informed Rajesh Kalyan, a Hindu priest and preacher with Pakistan Hindu Seva (PHA), a Karachi based Hindu organization while talking to TOI over phone from Karachi on Wednesday.

He said, as a preacher he travels in wider parts of Pakistan and was surprised to know that many Hindu's families had converted to Islam in recent past. "There are families in Rahimyar Khan in Pakistan who have embraced Islam, call it willingly or under pressure,"he said adding that he had personally seen Hindu's dubbed as Kafirs in many areas of Pakistan .

"Hindus are not allowed to sit in hotels and have food and are discriminated in Rahimyar Khan," he said, adding that there were 77000 Hindu's in Rahimyar Khan alone."Reports of their forced conversions, abduction for ransom were not false and this is the reason those who don't want to leave country prefer to embrace Islam" he said.

President of PHS Sanjash S Dhanja said "Karachi was considered to be most liberal and safe place for Hindus but now there is a fear in air". Also, there had been certain incidents of persecution of Hindu's in many areas of Pakistan in recent past that had panicked the Karachi's Hindu populace.

This is the reason that many Hindu's have changed their names to names which resemble Muslim names. Giving an example, he said,"A person Manohar Chand now calls himself Manvar Chand. He said PHS holds various functions to restore the shaken confidence of Hindu community. "The Hindu politicians are not playing a positive role for the community,"he complained.
 

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What we need is firm statement from GOI making it clear to GOP this persecution of minority has to stop otherwise an offensive steps will be taken. I know lot of you will argue and state that GOI does not have the backbone which is true. In that case our leaders from all communities facing the troubled times have come out in demonstration and let rest of the world learn the plight of the minorities in Pakistan.

We have to take action instead of this never ending discussion on the Internet. If it takes to grant full citizenship to our brothers and sisters than so be it. It is high time to take "ACTION" which should give us result.
 

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Memoirs of a Pakistani Hindu girl

Memoirs of a Hindu girl | DAWN.COM

I grew up in fear – every face around me depicted nothing but fear. I am sure that the first expression on my parent's face on my birth as a female child born to Hindu parents living in Kandhkot would have been that of fear also. Why did I bring so much fear into the lives of my parents? I grew up always wondering what is it about me that continues to terrify. But I always drew a blank. How naïve I was.

Before I knew it, the time to attend school had arrived. School was comfortable; however, there were times when I felt like an outsider, finding it difficult to gel in with rest of the majority. Perhaps the snide remarks and incidents of discrimination led me to believe that I am not one of 'them'. Of those incidents, I still vividly remember no one eating with me and refusing to sip from the cup I drank from.

Home wasn't very different either. My mother asked questions about my life at school and otherwise looking for answers that would somehow relinquish her from the unknown fear. Afraid to disappoint her, I realised very early in my life that my mother could not be my confidant.

Growing up was not easy.

And then it happened. The fears of my mother and many Hindu mothers like her materialised. I went out to one of the largest markets of Kandhkot and was abducted by a man I knew very well. He was none other than the guard who was responsible for safeguarding our temples.

Knowing his face well prompted me to sit with him in his car without protest, however, instead of taking me to my house he turned to an alley that I wasn't too familiar with. Scared and unsure about what lay ahead I started screaming just to hear my abductor scream louder and threaten me. Astonished and unable to comprehend the gravity of the situation I sat still until it was time to step out of the car to a small house which looked abandoned.

We entered the house to find a large room devoid of any furniture and other bearings except for a carpet that covered the floor. I was made to sit down on the floor.

Uncertain about what was going to happen to me; my mind raced with thoughts of the recent news of the abductions and forced conversions of Hindu girls. I sat there shuddering. The realisation struck me and I could see my entire life in front of me in kaleidoscope. My mother's fears, my father's warnings, the alienation I felt, the yearning to be a part of the circle of friends, the search for a confidant, a friend.

My worst fears were reaffirmed when a man wearing a turban entered the room to teach me about a religion which I grew up hearing about, however, felt no urge to practise or embrace. He kept sermonising me for hours but was unable to get me to listen to him, realising that he left asking me to ponder about the true religion.

His departure did not ignite any fire for eternal glory inside me but only made me wonder why did my parents not relocate to another country when they had the chance to do so? Why did they continue to live in fear waiting for the inevitable to happen instead of making a move to safer pastures? And, what made me think that I am any different from countless girls who are forced to change their faith?

Each passing day appeared to be more and more surreal. The ritual of preaching continued for days, I lost track. Eventually, when preaching did not do the trick, my abductor threatened me.

The routine ranging from threats to persuasion and from glorifying the paradise to the wrath of God for non-believers only made me wonder: Do we not all pray to the same God — a God who is manifested in nature, colours, happiness and love? Why would he punish me for being a Hindu?

Somewhere along this relentless persuasion, came that horrifying threat of harming my family – I gave in. My approval followed a small ceremony in which I was forced to embrace Islam and later married off to the man who will always be remembered as the 'messiah' who for saved me from the unknown territory of sin and infidelity I was treading on.

After the ceremony, instead of receiving blessings for a happy and prosperous life ahead, I was immediately escorted to a local court where a Muslim magistrate declared my conversion and marriage in accordance with the law.

The news of my conversion and marriage to a Muslim man spread like wildfire. I dreaded the moment of meeting my parents. I never wanted to see pain and agony on their faces let alone be the reason for all their grief. Sure enough, one look at my mother made me yearn for my own death.

I wanted to tell her that I love her and that her safety was all I had in mind when I converted. I wanted to tell my father to keep my sisters safe. I wanted to tell my brothers to leave the country whilst they still could. I wanted to say much more but their silent pain and suffering made me wish if only I wasn't born a girl, if only I wasn't born in Pakistan, if only I had the right to be myself and practise my faith without being herded into a religion that I failed to comprehend, if only I could make them all understand that there is just one God for all, if only I could give us all an identity that we rightly deserve.

Looking at all the faces that once seemed familiar; I wondered: who am I?

I am one but share the pain of many. I am Rachna Kumari, Rinkle Kumari, Manisha Kumari and the many more Hindu girls who will be forced to convert in Pakistan. I am the fear of their families and the agony that they undergo. I am the misery of those girls who die a little every day for the injustices done to them.

I am a minority living in an intolerant society.
 

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Persecution Of Hindus (WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES)

India was partitioned in 1947. The partition of India is one of the greatest tragedies in human history. More than a million people were killed. 12 million people were uprooted from their homeland and crossed the boundaries between India and Pakistan.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/taslima/files/2012/08/gandhi03-150x150.jpg http://freethoughtblogs.com/taslima/files/2012/08/11-150x150.jpeg

But not all Muslims left their homeland India and not all Hindus left their homeland Pakistan.

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A Pakistani soldier was inspecting whether the man had circumcised penis during Bangladesh war in 1971. If circumcised, you may survive, if not , you are dead.


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Muslim fundamentalists killed Gopal Krishna Muhuri, Principal of Nazirhat College in Bangladesh.


'The rise of religious fundamentalists and terrorists under state patronage in Pakistan has made their growth smooth as is the case of India, which has become a threat to the existence of the Hindus in Bangladesh and Pakistan.'

In 1951, Hindus constituted 22% of West Pakistan (Pakistan) and East Pakistan (Bangladesh). Today, the Hindus are only 1.7 percent in Pakistan, and 9.2 percent in Bangladesh.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/taslima...rsecuted-in-pakistan_XA222_161052-300x228.jpg

Hindus are persecuted in Pakistan. They are forced to convert to Islam.

Hindus have been leaving Pakistan. Religion kills and divides people. It always does.


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Pakistani Hindus feel under attack | DAWN.COM

KARACHI: They came after dusk and chanted into the night sky "Kill the Hindus, kill the children of the Hindus," as they smashed religious icons, ripped golden bangles off women's arms and flashed pistols. It wasn't the first time that the Hindu temple on the outskirts of Pakistan's largest city was attacked, and residents here fear it will not be the last.

"People don't consider us as equal citizens. They beat us whenever they want," said Mol Chand, one of the teenage boys gathered at the temple. "We have no place to worship now."

It was the second time the Sri Krishna Ram temple has been attacked, and this time the mob didn't even bother to disguise their faces. The small temple, surrounded by a stone wall, is a tiny religious outpost in a dusty, hardscrabble neighbourhood so far on the outskirts of the city that a sign on the main road wishes people leaving Karachi a good journey.

Local Muslim residents blamed people from a nearby ethnic Pashtun village for the attack, which took place in late September on the Day of Love for the Prophet, a national holiday declared by the government in response to an anti-Islam film made in the US. No one was seriously injured in the attack.

It was the latest in a rising tide of violence and discrimination against Hindus in this 95 per cent Muslim country, where religious extremism is growing. Pakistan's Hindu community says it faces forced conversions of Hindu girls to Islam, a lack of legal recognition for their marriages, discrimination in services and physical abuse when they venture into the streets.

The story of the Hindu population in Pakistan is one of long decline. During partition in 1947, the violent separation of Pakistan and India into separate countries, hundreds of thousands of Hindus opted to migrate to India where Hinduism is the dominant religion. Those that remained and their descendants now make up a tiny fraction of Pakistan's estimated 190 million citizens, and are mostly concentrated in Sindh province in the southern part of the country.

Signs of their former stature abound in Karachi, the capital of Sindh. At the 150-year-old Swami Narayan Temple along one of the city's main roads, thousands of Hindus gather during the year to celebrate major religious holidays. Hindus at the 200-year-old Laxmi Narain Temple scatter the ashes of their cremated loved ones in the waters of an inlet from the Arabian Ocean.

But there are also signs of how far the community has fallen. Residents in a city hungry for land have begun to build over Hindu cemeteries, the community's leaders say. Hindus helped build Karachi's port decades ago, but none work there now.

Estimates of the size of the Hindu population in Pakistan are all over the map — from 2.5 million or 10 million in Sindh province alone to seven million across the country — a reflection of the fact that the country hasn't had a census since 1998.

It isn't just Hindus who are facing problems. Other minorities like Christians, the mystical Muslim branch of Sufis and the Ahmedi community have found themselves under attack in Pakistan, where the rise of religious fundamentalists has sometimes unleashed a violent opposition against those who don't follow their strict religious tenets.

The discrimination has prompted some Hindus to leave for India, activists warn, though the extent is not known. Around 3,000 Hindus left this year, part of a migration that began four years ago, sparked by discrimination and a general rise in crime in Sindh, said DM Maharaj, who heads an organisation to help Hindus called Pakistan Hindu Sabha.

He said he recently talked to a group of Hindus preparing to move to India from rural Sindh, complaining that they can't eat in Muslim restaurants or that Muslim officials turned them down for farming loans. Even during recent floods, they said Muslims did not want them staying in the same refugee camps.

Other Hindu figures such as provincial assembly member Pitamber Sewami deny there's a migration at all, in a reflection of how sensitive the issue is. Earlier this year, there were a string of reports in Pakistani media about Hindus leaving the country, sparking a flurry of promises by Pakistani officials to investigate.

In India, a Home office official said the Indian government noticed an upward trend of people coming from Pakistan but called reports of Pakistanis fleeing to India "exaggerated". He said he does not have exact figures on how many Pakistani Hindus have stayed in India after entering the country on tourist visas. The official spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the topic.

There's more of a consensus of the seriousness of the problem of forced conversion of Hindus.

Zohra Yusuf, the president of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan says the pattern goes like this: A Hindu girl goes missing and then resurfaces days or weeks later married to a Muslim boy. During court hearings to determine whether the conversion was voluntary, students from nearby Islamic schools called madrassahs often flood the room, trying to intimidate the judges by chanting demands that the conversion be confirmed.

Maharaj says he's tried to intervene in roughly 100 cases of forced conversions but has only succeeded in returning a girl safely back to her family once. If a girl decides to renounce Islam and return to Hinduism, she could be signing a death warrant for herself and her family even if her conversion was forced.

The Hindu community has also been hurt by a lack of unity within its ranks. Hindu society within Pakistan and elsewhere has historically been divided by caste, a system of social stratification in which the lower castes are often seen as inferior. Members of the lower castes in Pakistan say it wasn't until two girls from a high-caste family were forcibly converted this year that high-caste Hindus took the issue seriously, although it's been happening for years.

"We always fight our war ourselves," said Bholoo Devjee, a Hindu activist from Karachi, speaking about the lower castes.

In recent months the government has begun to take the concerns of the Hindu community more seriously. In Sindh province, legislators proposed a law to prevent forced conversions in part by implementing a waiting period before a marriage between a Hindu and a Muslim can go forward, and there's discussion about proposing such a law on the national level as well.

In the case of the Sri Krishna Ram temple, law enforcement authorities opened a blasphemy case against the people who rampaged through the building. But residents here are skeptical that these developments signify any long-term improvement in their plight. Weeks after the incident no arrests have been made, and the Hindus complain that no high-ranking Hindu officials have come to visit them or help them get compensation.

Sunda Maharaj, the spiritual leader at the temple, which was first attacked in January 2011, said he and the other residents do not want to move to India. "We are Pakistani," he said.

But he would like more help from the government, specifically a checkpoint to stop people from getting close to the temple and money for the Hindus to buy weapons.

"Next time anyone comes we can kill them or die defending our temple," he said.


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I request this thread to be sticky, It was before but not now !
 

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"Next time anyone comes we can kill them or die defending our temple,"
For a shythole like islamic pakistan that's the best solution for Hindus....kill as many pakis defending the temple, that's the only language islamic morons understand!
 

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For a shythole like islamic pakistan that's the best solution for Hindus....kill as many pakis defending the temple, that's the only language islamic morons understand!
Instead defending temples and killing those insects they should do some tactical targeting by culling few of their bigot ministers, judges few of army stooges like Zahil Hamid. India should provide them weapons and other assistance. The message will be delivered fast and effectual.
 

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What about Hindus increasingly becoming liability in India.

If one stands up to protect his way of life and Hindu heritage the label of communalist is sticked by our so called secularist brigade.

We have one PM saying that xxx community has the first right on India resources, other calling for illegal immigrants from Bangladesh to have voting rights, forget about West Bengal/Assam its already becoming mini Afghanistan.

Hope we grow balls and stand up for our way of life which is endangered by this evil fundamentalism.
 

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Instead defending temples and killing those insects they should do some tactical targeting by culling few of their bigot ministers, judges few of army stooges like Zahil Hamid. India should provide them weapons and other assistance. The message will be delivered fast and effectual.
BS. Not really that big of 'our' problem as it is made out to be. We can put diplomatic pressure and hope the international community recognizes it. Beyond that, these are Pakistani citizens. We dont want Pakistan arming our deviant Muslims, so no need to fish in troubled waters of theirs.
 

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One has to wonder, where are all the Hindutva organizations are when such events take place against Hindus in Pakistan? When the floods happened, the army operations in tribal areas began, when Sikhs were kidnapped for ransom, it were Sikh organizations which banded together and provided critical aid and care for Pakistan's Sikhs and Hindus. Infact, more aid reached the tribal Sikhs and Hindus than it did the Muslim IDPs. It were private Sikh organizations which mobilized, not government. So where were all the Hindutva organizations? What are they doing about their Hindu brethren in Pakistan? I would like to know.
 

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One has to wonder, where are all the Hindutva organizations are when such events take place against Hindus in Pakistan? When the floods happened, the army operations in tribal areas began, when Sikhs were kidnapped for ransom, it were Sikh organizations which banded together and provided critical aid and care for Pakistan's Sikhs and Hindus. Infact, more aid reached the tribal Sikhs and Hindus than it did the Muslim IDPs. It were private Sikh organizations which mobilized, not government. So where were all the Hindutva organizations? What are they doing about their Hindu brethren in Pakistan? I would like to know.
Pakistan demonizes hindutva organizations to show that Islam in danger in India.Why would it allow any help from such organizations to reach the people in Pakistan and thereby embarrass itself?
 

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Pakistan demonizes hindutva organizations to show that Islam in danger in India.Why would it allow any help from such organizations to reach the people in Pakistan and thereby embarrass itself?
How can Pakistan refuse organizations which haven't even made a single attempt at reaching the Pakistani Hindus? I want to see a single attempt at organizing aid by Hindutva organizations intended for Pakistani or Bangladeshi Hindus. I have yet to see any.
 

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BS. Not really that big of 'our' problem as it is made out to be. We can put diplomatic pressure and hope the international community recognizes it. Beyond that, these are Pakistani citizens. We dont want Pakistan arming our deviant Muslims, so no need to fish in troubled waters of theirs.
What is BS ? Either its right or wrong.

They are already arming Muslims of India. Wake up and smell the coffee and count how many terrorist attacks India has suffered from its own citizens excluding J&K.

BTW I was not asking Hindu India or Indian Hindus to support Hindus of Pakistan but India as they can be potential tactical or strategic strike assets for us and hell they have a good reason to do it.
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Few reasons,

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It proves Hindus are not that organized like many pseudo secular and others make them by calling them Hindu nationalists or Hindutvavadi, It also proves that the so called Hindutvadis want to work being within the stream line and constitution of India.

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Water flows downhill,

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Pakistanis think its not in their benefit to anger Sikhs, whereas Hindus are untouchables both in India and Pakistan. If I have to say it direct then 'unki Sikhon se phatte hai'.

BTW helping someone during floods and helping someone in low intensity conflict are to different things.
 
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It proves Hindus are not that organized like many pseudo secular and others make them by calling them Hindu nationalists or Hindutvavadi, It also proves that the so called Hindutvadis want to work being within the stream line and constitution of India.
If they are organized enough to rally the Hindutva cause on a national level, they are organized enough to provide humanitarian aid to their brethren across the border. I don't see the intent.


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Water flows downhill,
Explain.

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Pakistanis think its not in their benefit to anger Sikhs, whereas Hindus are untouchables both in India and Pakistan. If I have to say it direct then 'unki Sikhon se phatte hai'.
Pakistan comes afterwards h&r. The Hindutva organizations come first. You are making excuses for them. Why have they not even attempted to provide any meaningful help? Not even to the Bangladeshi Hindus, forget Pakistan.

You are excusing them for not even trying.

BTW helping someone during floods and helping someone in low intensity conflict are to different things.
Using those poor chaps for low intensity conflict would be a very bad judge of character. It would be using your own brethren as cannon fodder.

Rather, provide them financial and material assistance. Help them start and run their own schools where they won't be discriminated. Give them start up funds for their businesses. That is called helping. Not using them in a low intensity conflict.
 

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If they are organized enough to rally the Hindutva cause on a national level, they are organized enough to provide humanitarian aid to their brethren across the border. I don't see the intent.
National level ? Talking about an Ideology and debating the same on different forums can not be compared with some humanitarian effort done by Sikhs in a distant country.

Hindus in Pakistan are most backward and continuously being oppressed society as compare to Sikhs. Then fanatic Muslims have more reasons to curse Hindus then they might not have as many for others.

Pakistan comes afterwards h&r. The Hindutva organizations come first. You are making excuses for them. Why have they not even attempted to provide any meaningful help? Not even to the Bangladeshi Hindus, forget Pakistan. You are excusing them for not even trying.
I know Hindu organizations, they are good for nothing. I think your perception about them is different then mine.


Using those poor chaps for low intensity conflict would be a very bad judge of character. It would be using your own brethren as cannon fodder.
I could have used the right word, my bad, what I was saying they are suffering because of violence inflicted upon them (low level conflict and they are on the reviving side till today). Either they will parish or fight by using their own blood not ours. We can help them with training and weapons.
 

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We dont want Pakistan arming our deviant Muslims
I am pretty sure that in the world I live in, its already happening. For example. SIMI, LeT and other such "peaceful" organisations and its members are Indian Muslims and not Aliens from outer space:truestory:
 
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