EXCLUSIVE As US pulls out of Afghanistan its weapons head for Pakistan

[farhan_9909]

EXCLUSIVE : As US pulls out of Afghanistan, its weapons head for Pakistan

With the United States all set to withdraw from Afghanistan, alarm bells have begun to ring in New Delhi as reports indicate that a lot of arms being used by the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) could end up with the Pakistani military.

The last time Pakistan received advanced weapons from the Americans in the 1980s, it led to the eruption of a terrorism movement in Kashmir. It is understood that New Delhi's concerns have been communicated to US vice president Joe Biden who was on a state visit here last month.

India's security establishment has been receiving steady reports that a large consignment of advanced arms is being claimed by Pakistan. On the cards are large consignments of night vision devices, sniper rifles, laser target designators for the Pakistan Air Force and counter-IED equipment. But what has alarmed New Delhi is a move by Pakistan to get weapon systems that don't have anything to do with counter-terrorism.

Reports indicate that the United States is considering handing over AMRAAM air-to-air and sidewinder missiles as well as M-270 multiple launch rocket systems. It is believed that since these could come under strict export controls, the weapon systems will be first handed over to a friendly third country, which, in turn, will hand them over to Pakistan. While India has expressed its concern over transfer of such weapon systems, the United States has been non-committal to New Delhi on the issue.

Indian analysts believe that this is a worrying development but needs to be handled with maturity and not alarm. Washington is committed to resuming military aid to Pakistan under the Pakistan Counter Terrorism Fund (PCF) and the Pakistan Counter-Terrorism Capability Fund (PCCF). "Some of this equipment in Afghanistan could fall under either category setting it off against the committed value of aid already authorised by US Congress," says Rana Banerji, former special secretary with R&AW and a noted Pakistan expert. "Both the Pakistan Army and the US want to repair the relationship which went sharply downhill after the Raymond Davis Affair in January 2011." According to him, the visit by US secretary of state John Kerry could be a major resumption of a strategic dialogue between the United States and Pakistan.

Former ambassador to Afghanistan Vivek Katju is also circumspect about the developments. "Things have changed significantly since the 1980s and our conventional superiority against Pakistan is quite impressive. So if they get some weapons, it is worrying but we should not react without getting to understand the mechanics of any deal to transfer weapons." According to Katju, the United States needs Pakistan desperately to ensure a peaceful withdrawal from Afghanistan next year. "The role of Pakistan is critical and in Pakistan the military is critical. So Washington needs to engage the military and keep them happy. This could be one such move," he told dna.

Link - dna exclusive: As US pulls out of Afghanistan, its weapons head for Pakistan - India - DNA

 

[farhan_9909]

Re: EXCLUSIVE As US pulls out of Afghanistan its weapons head for Paki

MRAP's has already arrived
But i am expecting atleast 50-60 Mrap's in total

 

[farhan_9909]

Re: EXCLUSIVE As US pulls out of Afghanistan its weapons head for Paki

All of the below will be deployed on our western border

Aaah being it on

India should thank USA

these rockets can make hell alot of destruction

M270 Multiple Launch Rocket System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Blackwater]

Re: EXCLUSIVE As US pulls out of Afghanistan its weapons head for Paki

All of the below will be deployed on our western border

Aaah being it on

India should thank USA

these rockets can make hell alot of destruction

M270 Multiple Launch Rocket System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and u shd thank china who will reverse engg this for u and provide rockets

 

[dhananjay1]

Re: EXCLUSIVE As US pulls out of Afghanistan its weapons head for Paki

Yes, nothing like sitting on an expensive US army vehicle and munching grass.

 

[agentperry]

Re: EXCLUSIVE As US pulls out of Afghanistan its weapons head for Paki

like always, Pakistani army will feed itself on the refuge and BHEEK from west as it can never and will never be able to become capable enough to PROCURE them.

 

[farhan_9909]

Re: EXCLUSIVE As US pulls out of Afghanistan its weapons head for Paki

like always, Pakistani army will feed itself on the refuge and BHEEK from west as it can never and will never be able to become capable enough to PROCURE them.

We manufacture MRL with 45km range and if i am not wrong the faulty pinaka has only a range of 40km

We manufacture aircraft at home while yours is now officially called as last/late chance/Combat aicraft

We manufacture tanks at home while your even after 4 decades of development has serious problems.and army has rejected it in the past.while the mk2 is dead long before getting into trials

The list is very long.

 

[agentperry]

Re: EXCLUSIVE As US pulls out of Afghanistan its weapons head for Paki

We manufacture MRL with 45km range and if i am not wrong the faulty pinaka has only a range of 40km

We manufacture aircraft at home while yours is now officially called as last/late chance/Combat aicraft

We manufacture tanks at home while your even after 4 decades of development has serious problems.and army has rejected it in the past.while the mk2 is dead long before getting into trials

The list is very long.

then why is pakistani army so desperate to procure them-the american weaponry, when pakistan is well self sufficient then why be at receiving end of refuge/disposal system of america?

yes Indian arms are coming late but they are coming strong.

and yes there is hell lot of difference between assembling a knock down kit and developing the system from scratch.

pakistan is manufacturing MRL so was india under the same license agreement before the indigenous system of pinaka came in and now pinaka production rate is in thousands per annum

the home production of jointly funded(im refering to the statement of paf personnel only) and assembling of the knockdown kit sent by china is also way inferior to the home production of sukhoi by india(even the crystal blade for engine is produced in india which is a great leap forward for whole of asia)

India also produce t-90 and t-72 and the so called failed tank is in no exceeding 200 and further orders are due to come after the more trails(which are scheduled, search on internet)
compare this with pakistani tanks which are also present in similar nos. for ex the firm nos of t-80ud bieng 320 and that of al zarar being 400 and t-85 being 275.
so after 5 years the story may change and will definitely change

and the areas which pakistani dare not enter is the naval production and space- where is the martial expertise in launching a rocket to send satellite, now expected response would be that paksat being launched, but where is indigenous manufacturing, sending dozen scientists to china to see how a company in china makes the satellite is not what can be called a domestic manufacturing.
and dont dare call f22p frigate home product of pakistan because it is not

 

[farhan_9909]

Re: EXCLUSIVE As US pulls out of Afghanistan its weapons head for Paki

then why is pakistani army so desperate to procure them-the american weaponry, when pakistan is well self sufficient then why be at receiving end of refuge/disposal system of america?

yes Indian arms are coming late but they are coming strong.

and yes there is hell lot of difference between assembling a knock down kit and developing the system from scratch.

pakistan is manufacturing MRL so was india under the same license agreement before the indigenous system of pinaka came in and now pinaka production rate is in thousands per annum

the home production of jointly funded(im refering to the statement of paf personnel only) and assembling of the knockdown kit sent by china is also way inferior to the home production of sukhoi by india(even the crystal blade for engine is produced in india which is a great leap forward for whole of asia)

India also produce t-90 and t-72 and the so called failed tank is in no exceeding 200 and further orders are due to come after the more trails(which are scheduled, search on internet)
compare this with pakistani tanks which are also present in similar nos. for ex the firm nos of t-80ud bieng 320 and that of al zarar being 400 and t-85 being 275.
so after 5 years the story may change and will definitely change

and the areas which pakistani dare not enter is the naval production and space- where is the martial expertise in launching a rocket to send satellite, now expected response would be that paksat being launched, but where is indigenous manufacturing, sending dozen scientists to china to see how a company in china makes the satellite is not what can be called a domestic manufacturing.
and dont dare call f22p frigate home product of pakistan because it is not

Pinaka is as good as the chand raat wale firecrackers.

We manufacture 58% of JFT airframe because this was under the deal.But for 2nd batch there is no restriction of manufacturing only 58% of the airframe.this is not that we could not manufacture the whole of airframe.

I hope you understand what does a jv means.

the indian produced t-90 has serious quality issues.for more detail ask this in the MBT thread.The gun of t-90 manufactured in india and the tank itself is as good as a russian made t-72.

320 T-80ud.300 batch of basic AK was completed in 2009-10 as per the ministry of defence production report.
Ak1 production started in either late 2009 or early 2010.

So now the Ak and AK1 numbers combined are between 380-400...

Arjun either the mk1 or mk2 both are dead projects.i hope the official decide is as soon as possible and rather form a JV with ukraine for developing a 50-55ton tank on the pattern of yatagan. with 120mm smoothbore and bustle autoloader...
As per official sources the ammo of Arjun has a max penetration power of 300mm or somewhere 500mm..making it the worst tank by firepower in the region while the best is t-90s.

Again you need fund for all this.which pakistan lack.2 new shipyard are about to become operational.one yet another at karachi and the other in gwadar

Again suparco budget is 70millions dollar while indian space agency in billions.Hence there is no comparision.

the expertise exist but funds are not

 

[Tolaha]

Re: EXCLUSIVE As US pulls out of Afghanistan its weapons head for Paki

^^Just about anything on earth and even beyond it, Farhan knows it all!

 

[bose]

Re: EXCLUSIVE As US pulls out of Afghanistan its weapons head for Paki

Pinaka is as good as the chand raat wale firecrackers.

We manufacture 58% of JFT airframe because this was under the deal.But for 2nd batch there is no restriction of manufacturing only 58% of the airframe.this is not that we could not manufacture the whole of airframe.

I hope you understand what does a jv means.

the indian produced t-90 has serious quality issues.for more detail ask this in the MBT thread.The gun of t-90 manufactured in india and the tank itself is as good as a russian made t-72.

320 T-80ud.300 batch of basic AK was completed in 2009-10 as per the ministry of defence production report.
Ak1 production started in either late 2009 or early 2010.

So now the Ak and AK1 numbers combined are between 380-400...

Arjun either the mk1 or mk2 both are dead projects.i hope the official decide is as soon as possible and rather form a JV with ukraine for developing a 50-55ton tank on the pattern of yatagan. with 120mm smoothbore and bustle autoloader...
As per official sources the ammo of Arjun has a max penetration power of 300mm or somewhere 500mm..making it the worst tank by firepower in the region while the best is t-90s.

Again you need fund for all this.which pakistan lack.2 new shipyard are about to become operational.one yet another at karachi and the other in gwadar

Again suparco budget is 70millions dollar while indian space agency in billions.Hence there is no comparision.

the expertise exist but funds are not

By reading your stuff I am curious to know what are you taking now days after fasting... it must be some thing special imported from Afghanisthan...

 

[agentperry]

Re: EXCLUSIVE As US pulls out of Afghanistan its weapons head for Paki

Pinaka is as good as the chand raat wale firecrackers.

We manufacture 58% of JFT airframe because this was under the deal.But for 2nd batch there is no restriction of manufacturing only 58% of the airframe.this is not that we could not manufacture the whole of airframe.

I hope you understand what does a jv means.

the indian produced t-90 has serious quality issues.for more detail ask this in the MBT thread.The gun of t-90 manufactured in india and the tank itself is as good as a russian made t-72.

320 T-80ud.300 batch of basic AK was completed in 2009-10 as per the ministry of defence production report.
Ak1 production started in either late 2009 or early 2010.

So now the Ak and AK1 numbers combined are between 380-400...

Arjun either the mk1 or mk2 both are dead projects.i hope the official decide is as soon as possible and rather form a JV with ukraine for developing a 50-55ton tank on the pattern of yatagan. with 120mm smoothbore and bustle autoloader...
As per official sources the ammo of Arjun has a max penetration power of 300mm or somewhere 500mm..making it the worst tank by firepower in the region while the best is t-90s.

Again you need fund for all this.which pakistan lack.2 new shipyard are about to become operational.one yet another at karachi and the other in gwadar

Again suparco budget is 70millions dollar while indian space agency in billions.Hence there is no comparision.

the expertise exist but funds are not

demonstration is the best mouthshutter but in this case you will again come up with one excuse or the other- indians are making 105mm field gun since long and regarding the gun it is being used to develop other artillery pieces which are showing promising results.

if you actually want to have a shield of excuses then allow me to take similar privilege, Indian tanks performed way beyond the expectation but corruption in the decision making body is stalling the project, the tanks are ready and even production can go at a pace to jaw drop everyone.
so if you have an excuse of funds we have the excuse of corruption, but on field what it matters is what the force possess
Brahmos is a JV but now completely indian as Indian govt acquired majority stakes in it and after that only the missile acquired various version and set new landmarks. appreciate the indigenous efforts.

the reality of al khallid and al zarar that they are mere upgradation (with assitance ) of older tank should be accepted by you. with foreign engine and fire control system what indigenous thing you are proud of?
the sales to peruvin army was placed with chinese norinco and not HIT pakistan- what does this show, if you cant comprehend then this shows that original manufacturer is in china. moreover the sales was blocked because ukranian opposed selling tank to peru with ukranian engine/equipment. what does that shows? this shows that the tank al khalid is tank with foreign component and such cut copy paste and license production is no worthy of being called a domestic product.

though i agree that there are many example of such scheme- buy foreign engine and place it on domestic chassis but it would be injustice if such steps by the competitor is demeaned.

the thing i wanted to tell you in taking out navy and space is that the research the designing and the development that is taking place, totally absent in pakistan.
there were no funds( in comparison to what is require-keeping in mind the standards set by famous and prominent developers) for al khalid and other weaponry but still they did came to world.

 

[SPIEZ]

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What dafaq are AMRAAMS and sdie winders doing in Afghan?

AFAIK, The Afghani's do not have an air force that requires AMRAAMS or Side winders.

 

[datguy79]

Re: EXCLUSIVE As US pulls out of Afghanistan its weapons head for Paki

What dafaq are AMRAAMS and sdie winders doing in Afghan?

AFAIK, The Afghani's do not have an air force that requires AMRAAMS or Side winders.

Farhan just keeps posting the same (unverified) link just to keep circlejerking. All lethal weapons will be flown out, none is leaving the country by ground.


A bunch of jeeps won't help Pakistan. It is also hilarious knowing the super-duper PA does not have night vision goggles.

 

[agentperry]

Re: EXCLUSIVE As US pulls out of Afghanistan its weapons head for Paki

i think whole story is based upon the MoD and MEA "apprehension"

 

[farhan_9909]

Re: EXCLUSIVE As US pulls out of Afghanistan its weapons head for Paki

demonstration is the best mouthshutter but in this case you will again come up with one excuse or the other- indians are making 105mm field gun since long and regarding the gun it is being used to develop other artillery pieces which are showing promising results.

if you actually want to have a shield of excuses then allow me to take similar privilege, Indian tanks performed way beyond the expectation but corruption in the decision making body is stalling the project, the tanks are ready and even production can go at a pace to jaw drop everyone.
so if you have an excuse of funds we have the excuse of corruption, but on field what it matters is what the force possess
Brahmos is a JV but now completely indian as Indian govt acquired majority stakes in it and after that only the missile acquired various version and set new landmarks. appreciate the indigenous efforts.

We are also making our own artillary.HMC would be the first one.
Even in 2000 we started a program of Self propelled howitzer.THe program went down in 2007-08.due to no funds and no interest(reported by xyon) though he said the Program if funds are injected can be revived again.

The first batch had limitation because it was also under a loan from china...CAC didnt got order from PLAAF and they had invested half into the JFT program.so they wanted to earn the money somehow to atleast cover the development cost.hence only 58% of the airframe rights were with Pakistan.

For JFT we have imported CNC's from Sweden,No wonder the finishing off JFT even beat the Gripen.

for the next batches we will manufacture 100% of the airframe and avionics already are manufactured locally.

the reality of al khallid and al zarar that they are mere upgradation (with assitance ) of older tank should be accepted by you. with foreign engine and fire control system what indigenous thing you are proud of?
the sales to peruvin army was placed with chinese norinco and not HIT pakistan- what does this show, if you cant comprehend then this shows that original manufacturer is in china. moreover the sales was blocked because ukranian opposed selling tank to peru with ukranian engine/equipment. what does that shows? this shows that the tank al khalid is tank with foreign component and such cut copy paste and license production is no worthy of being called a domestic product.

though i agree that there are many example of such scheme- buy foreign engine and place it on domestic chassis but it would be injustice if such steps by the competitor is demeaned.

Nope,Al khalid is based off the Type 90IIM like the T-90 is based off the t-72.
We manufacture whole of the tank in home.even the FCS of Ak1 is rumoured to be made in GIDS.And there are plans of even a locally MADE APS.

unlike india we doesnt import the tracks from germany for our tanks.

the thing i wanted to tell you in taking out navy and space is that the research the designing and the development that is taking place, totally absent in pakistan.
there were no funds( in comparison to what is require-keeping in mind the standards set by famous and prominent developers) for al khalid and other weaponry but still they did came to world.

As i said earlier funding is the issue otherwise we have almost 3 shipyard ready.
MSL/GIDS (interview of one of the official to jang news) where he said we have offered a 1000ton ship design to PN.if they select it than we have the capacity of local manufacturing.

but all these space and naval equipments are all about money.which you know today we are very short of

 

[farhan_9909]

Re: EXCLUSIVE As US pulls out of Afghanistan its weapons head for Paki

Farhan just keeps posting the same (unverified) link just to keep circlejerking. All lethal weapons will be flown out, none is leaving the country by ground.


A bunch of jeeps won't help Pakistan. It is also hilarious knowing the super-duper PA does not have night vision goggles.

demonstration is the best mouthshutter but in this case you will again come up with one excuse or the other- indians are making 105mm field gun since long and regarding the gun it is being used to develop other artillery pieces which are showing promising results.

if you actually want to have a shield of excuses then allow me to take similar privilege, Indian tanks performed way beyond the expectation but corruption in the decision making body is stalling the project, the tanks are ready and even production can go at a pace to jaw drop everyone.
so if you have an excuse of funds we have the excuse of corruption, but on field what it matters is what the force possess
Brahmos is a JV but now completely indian as Indian govt acquired majority stakes in it and after that only the missile acquired various version and set new landmarks. appreciate the indigenous efforts.

We are also making our own artillary.HMC would be the first one.
Even in 2000 we started a program of Self propelled howitzer.THe program went down in 2007-08.due to no funds and no interest(reported by xyon) though he said the Program if funds are injected can be revived again.

The first batch had limitation because it was also under a loan from china...CAC didnt got order from PLAAF and they had invested half into the JFT program.so they wanted to earn the money somehow to atleast cover the development cost.hence only 58% of the airframe rights were with Pakistan.

For JFT we have imported CNC's from Sweden,No wonder the finishing off JFT even beat the Gripen.

for the next batches we will manufacture 100% of the airframe and avionics already are manufactured locally.

the reality of al khallid and al zarar that they are mere upgradation (with assitance ) of older tank should be accepted by you. with foreign engine and fire control system what indigenous thing you are proud of?
the sales to peruvin army was placed with chinese norinco and not HIT pakistan- what does this show, if you cant comprehend then this shows that original manufacturer is in china. moreover the sales was blocked because ukranian opposed selling tank to peru with ukranian engine/equipment. what does that shows? this shows that the tank al khalid is tank with foreign component and such cut copy paste and license production is no worthy of being called a domestic product.

though i agree that there are many example of such scheme- buy foreign engine and place it on domestic chassis but it would be injustice if such steps by the competitor is demeaned.

Nope,Al khalid is based off the Type 90IIM like the T-90 is based off the t-72.
We manufacture whole of the tank in home.even the FCS of Ak1 is rumoured to be made in GIDS.And there are plans of even a locally MADE APS.

unlike india we doesnt import the tracks from germany for our tanks.

the thing i wanted to tell you in taking out navy and space is that the research the designing and the development that is taking place, totally absent in pakistan.
there were no funds( in comparison to what is require-keeping in mind the standards set by famous and prominent developers) for al khalid and other weaponry but still they did came to world.

As i said earlier funding is the issue otherwise we have almost 3 shipyard ready.
MSL/GIDS (interview of one of the official to jang news) where he said we have offered a 1000ton ship design to PN.if they select it than we have the capacity of local manufacturing.

but all these space and naval equipments are all about money.which you know today we are very short of

This is a valid source.

Even i am not sure about the AMRAAM(they could be the one we had ordered.200 of them if i am not wrong are yet to be delivered).

And these MRAPs cost in millions.the chinese Vp3 we ordered last year cost 0.8-9million each.and this must be atleast around 1million.

You know majority of the PA casualties are because of IED's and we need them in bulk.we had ordered them but in smaller number since these days we cant afford alot.while the lazar 2 which we got under license for manufacturing will take years..

PA has Night vision goggles.but if given for free.than take it.

In the end like they had left pakistan without anything in the 90's after the USSR collapse.the America is about to do the same with afghanistan leaving the ANA again on there own.

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

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and u shd thank china who will reverse engg this for u and provide rockets

How did such a big rocket come from inside a small canister.....

The diameter of the rocket does not fit inside the canister or the barrell......

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

Re: EXCLUSIVE As US pulls out of Afghanistan its weapons head for Paki

Observe the vehicle, the tires are looking like they are punctured.......

Think pakistan is the junk and dump yard...

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

Re: EXCLUSIVE As US pulls out of Afghanistan its weapons head for Paki

What did the pakistanis do with the advanced weaponry they got from US and France during the 1971 war, they were not able to make use of the advanced weapons given...

Getting advanced equipment is of no concern when you do not know how to use them to full........