Eurofighter EF-2000 Typhoon

[BON PLAN]

Very well, but if that turns out to be true, be fair and admit that it's better than Rafale at least in certain fields.

Happy new year btw!

It is better only in one part ot the flying domain : high and fast. But with AAM such Meteor, is it really of a great use? A little bit Yes. more???? I don't think so.

I wish you all a very fruitfull year ! with first Rafale delivery to India, and maybe a first Kaveri/Tejas combo flight.

 

[Prashant12]

More bad news for @Sancho & Eurofighter for MMRCA 2.0 :biggrin2:


Exclusive: Agusta papers reveal Christian Michel was also lobbying against Rafale to win deal for Eurofighter


Documents accessed by India Today TV have now revealed that two middlemen accused of getting kickbacks in the VVIP Agustawestland chopper deal, including Christian Michel, were strategising for Rafale's competitor Eurofighter, in order to seal the deal in its favour.

Christian Michel, an alleged middleman in the AgustaWestland chopper deal, was also lobbying for Rafale's competitor. (Image: Reuters)
HIGHLIGHTS

• India released the request for proposal to buy 126 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) in 2007 to six bidders
• Documents reveal Agusta middlemen Christian Michel and Guido Haschke made ‘strategy’ for Rafale’s prime competitor Eurofighter
• Rafale beat Eurofighter in the final evaluation process to qualify for MMRCA deal

On Wednesday in Lok Sabha during a discussion on the Rafale jet deal, when some Opposition members started throwing paper planes in the House, Finance Minister Arun Jaitley made a pun and said, "I think these planes are being flown in the memory of Eurofighters".

In August 2007 when request for proposal (RFP) to buy 126 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) was released by India, France's Rafale was competing with five other fighter jets. By April 2011, following a complex evaluation and testing procedure of the Air Force, the final competition was reduced between two fighter jets, Dassault's Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon, from which Rafale was chosen over Eurofighter.

Documents accessed by India Today TV have now revealed that two middlemen accused of getting kickbacks in the VVIP Agustawestland chopper deal also strategised for Rafale's competitor Eurofighter in order to seal the deal in its favour.


A "strategy paper" seized during the raids at Italian middleman Guido Haschke's residence and offices has revealed that Christian Michel and Guido Haschke worked on a plan to place Rafale's prime competitor in the "win zone".

A need to engage "an in-country bureaucratical and political navigator" has also been mentioned in the documents.

"This man should have worked in the MOD and know well on first name basis and not just the MOD, key bureaucrats and the minister but also the PM, Finance Minister and the Leading Family," the document further reads.

The strategy paper allegedly prepared with consultation from Christian Michel and Guido Haschke further notes, "there are only 3 candidates for such a job and only one of the 3 is available".

While the strategy paper recovered from the Italian middleman talked about lobbying the politicians, a plan to lobby three Air Force officials is also mentioned as "the 3 bosses of maintenance must be lobbed i.e. Chief of Maintenance Command, Air Officer Maintenance and Chief of Engineering".

Christian Michel is currently in custody and is being investigated by the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) and Enforcement Directorate (ED) for his role in the AgustaWestland chopper deal case.

Guido Haschke is an Italian businessman who is also named as an accused in the chopper deal case. He served a brief sentence in Italy and became a witness following which a red corner notice against his name, which was issued on the request of India, was withdrawn by the Interpol.

Eurofighter is designed by a consortium of multinational defence companies from UK, Germany, Italy and Spain. Italian firm Finmeccanica which makes AgustaWestland choppers owns 21 per cent shares in the Eurofighter consortium.

A source familiar with the process told India Today TV, "This strategy paper was prepared in 2008 and was given for the European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company (EADS) but it was not known if and to what extent the company used the services of these middlemen".

Michel and Haschke had a fallout after the signing of the VVIP chopper deal in 2010 while Rafale and Eurofighter were still competing to win the contract for 126 fighter jets.

It was only in 2012 that it was announced that Rafale had won the competition but the final deal could not be signed as negotiations continued. The NDA government later signed a deal with the French government to buy 36 Rafale fighter planes in a flyaway condition citing urgent requirements of the Air Force.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...o-win-deal-for-eurofighter-1424921-2019-01-06

 

[BON PLAN]

@Sancho

" Further information on the timetable for the E-Scan radar project. (Q143)

The E-Scan radar project is in the assessment phase and NETMA continues to progress technical and commercial negotiations with Eurofighter.

Whilst these discussions are still ongoing, and the timescales are therefore subject to change, we anticipate MOD Main Gate investment approval in the latter half of 2019. We expect that the new radar will be embodied on 40 Tranche 3 Typhoons."


http://data.parliament.uk/writtenev...ence-committee/work-of-des/written/93913.html

 

[Sancho]

But with AAM such Meteor, is it really of a great use? A little bit Yes. more???? I don't think so.

4 x Meteor in any mission, up to 6 in Air superiority (Rafale 2 and 4) and if you have to switch from strike to CAP role (swing role capability), the EF has a full complement of 6 x AAMs ready.

Add CAS, SEAD and maritime attack and you basically have only 2 roles where it's in disadvantag, Reconnaissance as well as deep / heavy strikes (cruise missiles and 2000lb bombs).

It came a long way and that's not deniable, but all that comes at a high cost.

I wish you all a very fruitfull year !

Thx man

 

[Sancho]

@Sancho

" Further information on the timetable for the E-Scan radar project. (Q143)

The E-Scan radar project is in the assessment phase and NETMA continues to progress technical and commercial negotiations with Eurofighter.

Whilst these discussions are still ongoing, and the timescales are therefore subject to change, we anticipate MOD Main Gate investment approval in the latter half of 2019. We expect that the new radar will be embodied on 40 Tranche 3 Typhoons."


http://data.parliament.uk/writtenev...ence-committee/work-of-des/written/93913.html

Yes, discussions on radar 2 still on and Brexit won't make things easier I guess.

 

[Sancho]

Interesting pics of Luftwaffes LJDAM integration as it seems

 

[vampyrbladez]

Information on the new CAPTOR E / E-Scan Radar 1 ; 1+

Apparently it has around 1069 ~ 1100 T/R modules. 10% of that figure is 106.9 - 110 which is equal to the 100 T/R limit mention @ 10% for failure in operations. This is 75% of the total possible ~ 1426 T/R modules, apparently a cost cutting measure.

Furthermore, the large number of T/R modules means that an AESA radar is not immediately in trouble if components start to fail, a process known as graceful degradation. "Performance degradation becomes
visible only after about 10 per cent of the T/R modules become extinct; you can lose around 100 before you have to cancel the mission," Compans explained.

"Various targets of opportunity were also detected and tracked. Data recording was successful and we have demonstrated track revisiting [looking back at targets detected earlier]. For cost reasons, the
CAESAR array was not fully populated with T/R modules, but approximately 75 per cent." The flight tests on the BAC One-Eleven involved the radar operating at "limited range but still representative of the full-up system". The AESA array's datalink capability was not included.

"The intention is that the first production Captor-E sets should have the same functionalities that are now available in the Tranche 2 variant. Some easily implemented 'low hanging fruits' may also be added, but more difficult new capabilities will probably be introduced later as part of the radar's growth path."

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/eurofighter-typhoon-avionics.19/

The CAESAR (CAPTOR AESA Radar) demonstrator was flown extensively in 2006 and 2007, but it was not until 2014 that a more production representative radar was unveiled fitted to the British TYPHOON test aircraft, IPA5 (ZJ700), and this radar did not begin flight trials in the TYPHOON until 8 July 2016 – two years after the Farnborough reveal rather than the ‘weeks or even months’ that had been confidently predicted.

https://www.monch.com/mpg/news/ew-c4i-channel/4578-ef-radar.html

Final configuration will look like this :

According to a calculation by a senior EADS radar expert, the Captor-E, which will use 1,426 T/R modules and is scheduled to be integrated onto the Eurofighter Typhoon in 2015, is capable of recognizing the F-35 at around 59 kilometers away.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/include/print.asp?newsIdx=97236

Range : 3 msq target @ 394 km with 1426 GaAs T/R modules. Could be up to 80% higher with GaN T/R modules.

In an interesting development, these are the same performance as a N035 IBRIS ESA Hybrid radar.

An Air Force Veteran and senior defence analyst said the upgraded radar would likely be the NIIP N035 Irbis E (Snow Leopard), a 20 KW class steerable hybrid ESA radar fitted on the Su-35.

"At full power, the radar can detect an F-35 at a distance of 58-km (36-mi), In tracking mode, the distance drops to 29km," Vijainder K Thakur, Air Force veteran and defence analyst having hawk eyes on technological development said.

http://www.defencenews.in/article/I...apable-of-Detecting-F-35,-Chinese-J-20-737298

The E-Scan Radar 2 will have GaN T/R modules as part of it's setup which by some estimates could increase range by 80% , providing increased BVR survivability and EW attack capability.

The UK MoD funding will lead to the first flight of a Captor-E prototype in 2013. But it will feature only limited radar modes, and the array will consist of Gallium Arsenide (Ga) transmit-receive modules that were developed by British company Filtronic, now part of Teledyne. The ultimate array planned for Captor-E will use more advanced Gallium Nitride modules developed for the Euroradar consortium by EADS Cassidian.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...hter-nations-inch-closer-new-radar-commitment

This could explain UK's non committal behaviour to the Radar 1 + model being pushed for export and to which Germany and Spain are committing for a fleet wide upgrade.

Germany is readying a joint program with Spain that will see its newer Eurofighters equipped with active electronically scanned array (AESA) radars.

The project is currently being negotiated between Germany and the NATO Eurofighter and Tornado Management Agency (NETMA), according to the head of combat aircraft systems for Airbus Defence and Space, Kurt Rossner. The hope is for a contract to be inked before the end of the year, or in early 2020. Deliveries of the upgraded aircraft will then proceed from 2022 onward.

The AESA radars – the new E-Scan Mk 1 – will be supplied by a Leonardo-led Euroradar consortium. For Germany, the AESA radars will be retrofitted to 110 of its Tranche 2 and Tranche 3 Eurofighters. Spain plans to initially perform the update on 19 of its fighters.

https://dsm.forecastinternational.c...he-2-3-eurofighters-plus-additional-aircraft/

Rossner notes that export buyers Kuwait and Qatar will receive Eurofighter Typhoons with “Mk1A” radars, with the German and Spanish configuration differing through the use of new multi-channel receiver technology. He indicates that the UK plans to field a future “Mk2” sensor optimised for electronic warfare tasks to complement operations with its Lockheed Martin F-35s.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...-eurofighter-aesa-deal-and-top-up-buy-462067/

 

[Armand2REP]

The problem for the CAPTOR E is that it is limited to a similar amount of modules as the RBE2 AA even though it has far more surface area to place them. Selex has not found a proper cooling solution to allow it to use the full amount of T/R modules. This will greatly limit their ability to develop a GaN AESA in the future as they have not even mastered technologies to cool GaAs.

 

[BON PLAN]

The problem for the CAPTOR E is that it is limited to a similar amount of modules as the RBE2 AA even though it has far more surface area to place them. Selex has not found a proper cooling solution to allow it to use the full amount of T/R modules. This will greatly limit their ability to develop a GaN AESA in the future as they have not even mastered technologies to cool GaAs.

And they are already late by atleast 7 years on Thales.
And probably more, because the softwares developed for PESA were fully used on AESA because AESA was from the beginning In the road map of RBE2.

 

[asianobserve]

Eurofighter is designing a Growler-like version

 

[Wisemarko]

Eurofighter is designing a Growler-like version

About time! Lol. Grizzly is around for a decade...Here’s one pic from last year-

 

[Jameson Emoni]

India should not even consider buying Eurofighters. India should ask Britain and Germany to sell those Eurofighters to Khalistan.

 

[asianobserve]

India should not even consider buying Eurofighters. India should ask Britain and Germany to sell those Eurofighters to Khalistan.

I agree that Growler would be much better on:

1. Tech maturity; and
2. Cost.

 

[Jameson Emoni]

I agree that Growler would be much better on:

1. Tech maturity; and
2. Cost.

I am down with EA-18-G. Which one is better F-18 or EA-18-G?

Also, can Rafales fly from Vikrant class Indian aircraft carriers?

 

[ForigenSanghi]

I am down with EA-18-G. Which one is better F-18 or EA-18-G?

Also, can Rafales fly from Vikrant class Indian aircraft carriers?

FA-18 and EA-18 are like chana and bhatura. They go together its not a one or other situation. 20-25% of a squadron of SuperHornets should be the EA-18 version.

As for RafaleM, it can take off from STOBAR carriers by using afterburners and its canards but the load will be compromised.
SH18 blk3 with its 150KN dry thrust and LERX will likely be able to take off from INS-Vikrant without use of afterburners. It is the best solution for INS-Vikrant.

In my view India should build another Vikrant class carrier in the next 4-5 years and buy 6 squadrons of SH18 blk3 for these two carriers right away.

 

[Jameson Emoni]

FA-18 and EA-18 are like chana and bhatura. They go together its not a one or other situation. 20-25% of a squadron of SuperHornets should be the EA-18 version.

As for RafaleM, it can take off from STOBAR carriers by using afterburners and its canards but the load will be compromised.
SH18 blk3 with its 150KN dry thrust and LERX will likely be able to take off from INS-Vikrant without use of afterburners. It is the best solution for INS-Vikrant.

In my view India should build another Vikrant class carrier in the next 4-5 years and buy 6 squadrons of SH18 blk3 for these two carriers right away.

Tomorrow, I have to make sure to find some chola - bhatura You should not have mentioned it

 

[asianobserve]

I am down with EA-18-G. Which one is better F-18 or EA-18-G?

Also, can Rafales fly from Vikrant class Indian aircraft carriers?

You mean SH E/F versus Growler? Well, Growler is a specialized EW, SEAD fighter. The future growth plan even includes the ability to inject virus on dnemy computers and radars from the air.

 

[Jameson Emoni]

FA-18 and EA-18 are like chana and bhatura. They go together its not a one or other situation. 20-25% of a squadron of SuperHornets should be the EA-18 version.

As for RafaleM, it can take off from STOBAR carriers by using afterburners and its canards but the load will be compromised.
SH18 blk3 with its 150KN dry thrust and LERX will likely be able to take off from INS-Vikrant without use of afterburners. It is the best solution for INS-Vikrant.

In my view India should build another Vikrant class carrier in the next 4-5 years and buy 6 squadrons of SH18 blk3 for these two carriers right away.

I endorse F-18 / EA-18 for two upcoming Vikrant class aircraft carriers. I would like Boeing to give a demo to Indian navy demonstrating that those birds can fly even after one of their engines fail.

Currently Indian navy only operates one aircraft carrier and that is Vikramaditya; this carrier is equipped with Mig-29-K.

There is a fourth one in the pipeline. I think it is called Vishal. This one is a big aircraft carrier. I am not sure what we will put on this one.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

endor
se F-18 / EA-18 for two upcoming Vikrant class aircraft carriers. I would like Boeing to give a demo to Indian navy demonstrating that those birds can fly even after one of their engines fail.

it’s engines are not strong enough to make sure it work with full weapons carrying capacity even if the the rift from the aircraft carriers is increased. tho it’s structure can help it to gain some rift but it’s engine are not enough. navy also finds amca with those GE engines will also be underpowered for naval amca . that’s why process of building TBEDM is started.
i don’t think navy is also sure for buying more naval jets because mig-29K can be used for vikrant also.

endorse F-18 / EA-18 for two upcoming Vikrant class aircraft carriers. I would like Boeing to give a demo to Indian navy demonstrating that those birds can fly even after one of their engines fail.
Currently Indian navy only operates one aircraft carrier and that is Vikramaditya; this carrier is equipped with Mig-29-K.

Mig-29K is having postive thrust to weghit ratio. that was the reason why it was the choice of the navy.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

thrust to weghit ratio of rafale M

• Thrust/weight: 0.988 (100% fuel, 2 EM A2A missile, 2 IR A2A missile) version B

thrust to weghit ratio of offered FA-1
8 super hornet
Thrust/weight: 0.93 (1.1 with loaded weight & 50% internal fuel