C-17 Globemaster III (IAF)

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Why would anyone carry 1 agni 5 launcher? Moreover, the weight of Agni 5 is 50 ton. I wonder how will such big missile fit in C17.

About carrying other missile like Akash missile, QR SAM, S400, MRSAM, why will someone transport 1 single system of these to any place? These things need networked radars and large power station. They aren't something one can just carry around arbitrarily. They may be mobile platforms with onboard generators but even then they work in a networked manner. So, they still need a set of radars and other systems to work.

Seriously, why would anyone carry 2 helicopters in a transport plane? What is the great need to do that in the first place? Similarly, transporting 2-3 APC is not a good move tactically. APC can't be used unless their path is secured by other means. And these also need to be present in large quantities. Moving 2-3 APC is tactically unsound strategy.

C17 can do many fancy things but the main question is about its real tactical utility.



I know the difference. I was just telling that you are over exaggerating the troop carrying and payload carrying capabilities. Even C130 with 33ton payload can have 64 airborne troops. So, Il76 can definitely have close to 100 paratroopers. You were simply exaggerating the ability to carry 102 troops and putting down Il76 without any basis. So, I just made off the cuff remark about Airbus carrying that many people.

By the way, your justification for 80 ton payload still is invalid. 100 troops would weigh at best 10tons. So, why 80 ton payload is needed?

Secondly, mass airborne Operations are obsolete due to advancement of radars and weaponry. It is now considered suicide to simply paradrop in enemy territory as done in WW2. IN WW2, countries didn't have SAM or other anti air weapons. But in today's era, things are very different. Also, these slow moving transport planes are highly susceptible to radar guided AAA guns too. So, carrying paratroopers is not really priority
This nigga right here, taking about tactics is absolutely hilarious. This dipshit keeps comparing a strategic military airlifter capable of taking off and landing in dirt strips and harsh conditions to commercial airliners. Nigga please.

C-17 can carry atleast a couple of Akash/ Spyder/ QR SAM, 4-5 C-17s can airlift an entire battalion or fire unit of such SAMs, You're the dumbshit who understand as being used as a lone unit. Same goes for 3 APCs, we have enough C-17 to push plenty of APCs into any theater. 1-5 Agni-5 Missile launchers on a short notice and can be airlifted out to any place in the country.

Also no comparison VS IL-76 either, 102+ 8 pellet loads of kit/ammo, is far more than possible in either the C-130J or IL-76.

While you are mentally challenged to say the least, this doesn't mean the IAF will send out the C-17 alone in a war, it will have escorts heck even fighter bombers in the IAF have dedicated air escorts, same goes for all other large platforms including AWACS. Paratroopers can use the HAHO method to be air dropped more than 30-40 km into enemy territory while being 15-20 km in our air space.

Nigga, APCs and other mobile units in the Strike corps have a need to be deployed in area which are contested, they are needed for thrusts deep into enemy. You obviously have doggy doo knowledge of how Indian forces specially the Strike Corps work.

Whatever, you say about the C-17 in terms of vulnerability to air is applicable to fighters, AWACS, helos and other platforms. Hence, by your logic we should just shut down our forces and light a candle to your pussy. Very Napaki Logic.

Carrying paratroopers is not a priority but heck hmmm surgical strike oh wait call in the Para SF. Again, nigga please. They'll be among the first on the battlefield fucking shit up.
 

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C-17 can carry atleast a couple of Akash/ Spyder/ QR SAM, 4-5 C-17s can airlift an entire battalion or fire unit of such SAMs, You're the dumbshit who understand as being used as a lone unit. Same goes for 3 APCs, we have enough C-17 to push plenty of APCs into any theater. 1-5 Agni-5 Missile launchers on a short notice and can be airlifted out to any place in the country.
You will airlift entire battalion of SAM in 5 C17? Do you know how dumb you sound? Each C17 can carry only 1 Akash SAM launcher and control unit. So, in 5 units, you will make 1 battalion? You simply forget all other logistics needed, unloading time etc!

Why would anyone carry agni missile in a plane? Why do you think it is called a missile if it has to be transported by plane?

I never said that we don't need apc. I only said that 10-15 APC is tactically useless. APC is very vulnerable without securing the area. Simple IED can cripple them. So, large logistics supply is needed.

Also no comparison VS IL-76 either, 102+ 8 pellet loads of kit/ammo, is far more than possible in either the C-130J or IL-76.
Il76 is quite big. It can carry significant number of troopers. C130, which is 65% of il76 can carry 64 troopers.

While you are mentally challenged to say the least, this doesn't mean the IAF will send out the C-17 alone in a war, it will have escorts heck even fighter bombers in the IAF have dedicated air escorts, same goes for all other large platforms including AWACS. Paratroopers can use the HAHO method to be air dropped more than 30-40 km into enemy territory while being 15-20 km in our air space.
Do you have needed problem? AEWACS operate from within Indian safe zone and have 400km radars. Paratroopers can't be dropped even 100km away. In addition, the transport planes are also useful for logistics and can't be risked to drop some 100 troopers.

Dropping paratroopers 60km away is extremely risky. It will be like launching glide bomb but with living people. Moreover, such diving paratroopers don't carry big arms and hence won't be able to have major advantage over enemy infantry.

Nigga, APCs and other mobile units in the Strike corps have a need to be deployed in area which are contested, they are needed for thrusts deep into enemy. You obviously have doggy doo knowledge of how Indian forces specially the Strike Corps work.
We don't deploy light armour in contested areas. APC is not capable of attacking. They need to be accompanied by other armour.

Whatever, you say about the C-17 in terms of vulnerability to air is applicable to fighters, AWACS, helos and other platforms. Hence, by your logic we should just shut down our forces and light a candle to your pussy. Very Napaki Logic.
The paratroopers are equivalent to infantry in terms of equipment. Why would someone risk a transport plane to drop 100 soldiers in enemy territory? AEWACS as i mentioned has 400km range whereas safely dropping troopers need be within 30km range. So, dropping troopers on expensive planes is unnecessary risk with little reward.

These special operations of inserting troops is better find on helicopters, not transport planes.

Carrying paratroopers is not a priority but heck hmmm surgical strike oh wait call in the Para SF. Again, nigga please. They'll be among the first on the battlefield fucking shit up.
That is why we use Helicopter. Dropping troopers from an expensive transport plane is unnecessary risk. What is the use of Helicopter if these kind of jobs are not done on them? Helicopters armed with missiles and carrying troopers is the best way or launching social forces. Why would you use c17 or c130 for such roles?

Helicopter can fly low, hugging the terrain and thus stay much safer than a transport plane. Helicopters are cheaper to replace and don't have critical role in quick transport compared to transport planes. Helicopters are best suited for this role, not c17 or Il76 or C130
 

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The current fleet is 15 IL-76MD and 6 IL-78 which spend vast majority of their time in transport role rather than tanker. The rest have been stood down.

The current fleet availability rates are pathetic...hovering well below 50%...most of the birds are on their last flight hours...they desperately need a life extension or replacement immediately. IL-76 itself not produced but Ilyushin make a modernised derivative called IL-476 which the IAF have repeatedly rejected as unsatisfactory (don't ask me why...I genuinely don't know)
I guess they are worried about availability and maintenance. It seems IAF is decidingly moving away from Russian platforms.



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You will airlift entire battalion of SAM in 5 C17? Do you know how dumb you sound? Each C17 can carry only 1 Akash SAM launcher and control unit. So, in 5 units, you will make 1 battalion? You simply forget all other logistics needed, unloading time etc!

Why would anyone carry agni missile in a plane? Why do you think it is called a missile if it has to be transported by plane?

I never said that we don't need apc. I only said that 10-15 APC is tactically useless. APC is very vulnerable without securing the area. Simple IED can cripple them. So, large logistics supply is needed.


Il76 is quite big. It can carry significant number of troopers. C130, which is 65% of il76 can carry 64 troopers.


Do you have needed problem? AEWACS operate from within Indian safe zone and have 400km radars. Paratroopers can't be dropped even 100km away. In addition, the transport planes are also useful for logistics and can't be risked to drop some 100 troopers.

Dropping paratroopers 60km away is extremely risky. It will be like launching glide bomb but with living people. Moreover, such diving paratroopers don't carry big arms and hence won't be able to have major advantage over enemy infantry.


We don't deploy light armour in contested areas. APC is not capable of attacking. They need to be accompanied by other armour.


The paratroopers are equivalent to infantry in terms of equipment. Why would someone risk a transport plane to drop 100 soldiers in enemy territory? AEWACS as i mentioned has 400km range whereas safely dropping troopers need be within 30km range. So, dropping troopers on expensive planes is unnecessary risk with little reward.

These special operations of inserting troops is better find on helicopters, not transport planes.


That is why we use Helicopter. Dropping troopers from an expensive transport plane is unnecessary risk. What is the use of Helicopter if these kind of jobs are not done on them? Helicopters armed with missiles and carrying troopers is the best way or launching social forces. Why would you use c17 or c130 for such roles?

Helicopter can fly low, hugging the terrain and thus stay much safer than a transport plane. Helicopters are cheaper to replace and don't have critical role in quick transport compared to transport planes. Helicopters are best suited for this role, not c17 or Il76 or C130
Nigga, you're dumber than the average Napaki, such stupidity must be genetic.

Whatever units needed would be transported by rails, road and when needed by C-17. Don't be a goat fucking Napaki. What you need to realize is the C-17 is a military strategic air lifter and will be used however the IAF/IA/IN need it to be used. Be it dropping air troopers or just moving shit tons of civilian aids or ambulatory litters or missiles or ammo or whatever the fuck ever. Funny how you say paratroopers being deployed from 60 km away is tactically useless or risky. Nigga, it's exactly why excrement eating douches like you couldn't get anywhere close to being a soldier.

You, a shit eating Napaki who probably stinks like goat droppings shouldn't be talking about tactics or how professionals conduct a respectable war.
 

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Funny how you say paratroopers being deployed from 60 km away is tactically useless or risky.
We drop soldiers around a division strength (I know impossible right now,but let's just say for the sake of argument) then we can capture haji pir pass with support from airpower and artillery.

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If Pakistan is successful in getting block 70/72 along with PAC 3 is there any chance this Globe Master beast thing too falling in their hands???
 

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Globemaster production is stopped , we bought the last one , anyways its too costly for Pakistan
What if US decided to design a superior version of C-17 and manufactured 200 of them specially for Pakistan and gave them away for free...

Along with all those f-16 block 70s (or 80s), F-35s, and Nimitz class carriers that are on their way.
 

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There isn't just one company involved in manufacture of this plane.
Some 100 different companies supply Components of this Airplanes

Check this out

http://www.airframer.com/aircraft_detail.html?model=C-17 Globemaster III
Changed your DP?

That is how USA works. But every single company got its technology from Government itself. These companies ownership is also some set of obscure holding companies further owned by other holding companies. Essentially, deep state controlled companies running as different entities. But that is only name sake different.
 

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Nigga, you're dumber than the average Napaki, such stupidity must be genetic.

Whatever units needed would be transported by rails, road and when needed by C-17. Don't be a goat fucking Napaki. What you need to realize is the C-17 is a military strategic air lifter and will be used however the IAF/IA/IN need it to be used. Be it dropping air troopers or just moving shit tons of civilian aids or ambulatory litters or missiles or ammo or whatever the fuck ever. Funny how you say paratroopers being deployed from 60 km away is tactically useless or risky. Nigga, it's exactly why excrement eating douches like you couldn't get anywhere close to being a soldier.

You, a shit eating Napaki who probably stinks like goat droppings shouldn't be talking about tactics or how professionals conduct a respectable war.
Lol in another thread he is giving Askai Chin and Parts of Uttrakhand to China.. by presenting chinese propaganda as proof.
 

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Lol in another thread he is giving Askai Chin and Parts of Uttrakhand to China.. by presenting chinese propaganda as proof.
Again, read properly. I have staked claim over Lanak la pass. I hope you know what this pass is? This means I am asking for control over all areas in LAC except Aksai Chin. Only Aksai Chin is something I don't consider part of India due yo geographical and historical reason. Don't talk like a false flagger and tell fake news about others.
 

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Again, read properly. I have staked claim over Lanak la pass. I hope you know what this pass is? This means I am asking for control over all areas in LAC except Aksai Chin. Only Aksai Chin is something I don't consider part of India due yo geographical and historical reason. Don't talk like a false flagger and tell fake news about others.
This is a 1917 postal map published by the Republic of China. Aksai Chin is clearly a part of India. China stole our land.


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This is a 1917 postal map published by the Republic of China. Aksai Chin is clearly a part of India. China stole our land.


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I can't understand the map. Please mark it with paint to show where is Aksai Chin. Also, please give me source for this map. Since 1916, China had fallen into warlord era when Qing dynasty fell. Who issued the stamp?
 

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I can't understand the map. Please mark it with paint to show where is Aksai Chin. Also, please give me source for this map. Since 1916, China had fallen into warlord era when Qing dynasty fell. Who issued the stamp?
The map is from the Postal Atlas of China published from 1917 to 1933 by the internationally recognized Republic of China.


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The map is from the Postal Atlas of China published from 1917 to 1933 by the internationally recognized Republic of China.


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There was no international China. Japan had conquered significant parts of China and Chinese empire had collapsed.

But, yes, as I said, Aksai Chin was no-man's-land and hence China can't claim ownership on it. But that doesn't automatically make it Indian territory. There can be territory which is no-man's-land too.
 

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There was no international China. Japan had conquered significant parts of China and Chinese empire had collapsed.

But, yes, as I said, Aksai Chin was no-man's-land and hence China can't claim ownership on it. But that doesn't automatically make it Indian territory. There can be territory which is no-man's-land too.
Map is from 1917-1933 Republic of China was the legitimate government from 1918 to 1949. The Japanese invasion started in late 1933. All territory is with either one nation or another. As India has historical claims once recognized by the other party in the dispute, it's clear the land belongs to India. Stop making excuses for China.

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Map is from 1917-1933 Republic of China was the legitimate government from 1918 to 1949. The Japanese invasion started in late 1933. All territory is with either one nation or another. As India has historical claims once recognized by the other party in the dispute, it's clear the land belongs to India. Stop making excuses for China.

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Give me evidence that India ever had any camps or manned crossing in Aksai Chin. If you can't, then I have nothing more to say. We are polluting C17 thread for no reason. So let us be concise and give evidence that India had acquired Aksai Chin.
 

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