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Defence minister’s trade mission pushes technology expertise rather than weapons


Dassault's Rafale fighter © Reuters

India is the world’s largest importer of weapons, but when Britain’s defence minister meets his counterparts in New Delhi this week he will not be lobbying for new military hardware deals.


Sir Michael Fallon is the latest in a series of ministers to visit India in recent weeks as the UK begins to think about its post-Brexit trade arrangements.

He began on Wednesday by addressing a conference in New Delhi before meeting senior members of Narendra Modi’s government.

But unlike previous visits, the UK is not pushing for any immediate arms sales.

Military experts say it is a sign of how the UK has been left behind. “If you look at the main four or five players in India, the UK is not there at this point in time,” said Rajeswari Rajagopalan, senior fellow at New Delhi’s Observer Research Foundation. “Russia, the US, Israel and France are all more significant in terms of weapons sales.”

India has dramatically increased its defence imports in the past decade, as it looks to re-equip all three of its armed services, which often lack modern and functional kit.

In the four years between 2012 and 2016, India was the world’s number one importer of weapons, accounting for 13 per cent of the global total, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.

UK defence exports to India in 2015, down from £966m in 2010

Its foreign purchases during that period were 43 per cent higher than in the previous four years.

But as other countries have scrambled to seal billions of dollars of contracts, the value of UK defence exports to India has fallen sharply, from £966m in 2010 to just £34m in 2015 — though there was some success in 2014, with £487m worth of sales made.

The biggest blow came in 2012, when Eurofighter, the consortium that includes BAE Systems, lost out to France’s Dassault in the bid to win an €8bn order for fighter jets. That deal was finally signed last year.

Since then, BAE Systems has successfully sold 145 howitzer artillery guns to India for $737m, and is waiting to finalise the sale of another 20 Hawk trainer aircraft to the Indian air force, which already owns 123 of the aircraft.

Michael Fallon addresses a conference in New Delhi on Wednesday © AFP
While Sir Michael is likely to make the case once more for the Hawks, industry executives do not expect an imminent resolution.

Furthermore, they say ministerial lobbying is unlikely to do much to resolve deals such as this, which have been in the works for many months.

One UK official said: “The Indian army was created from the British army. We share a joint history, training methods and overall ethos. But when it comes to selling hardware, we have struggled, in part because we are not willing to do purely government-to-government deals like the Russians, Americans or the French.”

Instead of weapons, the UK is concentrating on selling expertise to the Indian armed forces, whether in computer systems, data handling or cyber security.

“It is important that we work together to design and drive those technologies to use the best of India’s brain power with the expertise of our long-established defence companies,” Sir Michael said in New Delhi on Wednesday.

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The UK is also hoping to help the Indian government redesign the way it handles procurement contracts in the future, having overhauled its own defence equipment and supply systems since 2010.

This last plan is one some Indians have questioned, pointing out that the UK has botched its own major procurement processes, such as the order for two aircraft carriers, currently seven years late and vastly over budget.

But UK ministers hope that if they sell their defence purchasing expertise, it might provide a way to increase actual weapons sales in the long term.

One British official said: “The Indians do not have equipment plans, and it is very hard to predict what they might be in the market for.

“But if we can get ourselves involved in those conversations behind closed doors with the Indian military, we might just be able to help them decide what they need, and make sure we can provide it.”
 

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we should learn this art of creating value out of nothing and still pitch it as a product.
redesign of procurement contracts..My foot..

BTW is there any interesting tech that they have and we need, other than engines.
 

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BTW is there any interesting tech that they have and we need, other than engines.
I would say there are plenty of tech UK can help out with.
1)As you said, turbofans.
2) Ramjet AAM (Meteor).
3) Integrated electronic propulsion(Type45).
4) Designing warships themselves.
5) Radar & Sonar tech.
Long shot but;
Helping out with Nuclear submarines , stealth UCAV(Taranis), 5th gen fighter among others.


Thing is unlike Russians or French, Brishits are desperate for attention. Less than $50 million of sales in 2015 is incredibly abysmal by itself but if you add the "shared history" as the DM put it, it gets worse.
 
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Apart from Hawk trainers,what else we buy from UK nowadays?

And read this- "“But if we can get ourselves involved in those conversations behind closed doors with the Indian military, we might just be able to help them decide what they need, and make sure we can provide it.”"

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Rolls Royce has expertise in turbine technology, but they won't help. We have been working with SNECMA for such a long time with limited success. No one wants to give away cutting edge technology that is limited to five and a half countries.
 

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Rolls Royce has expertise in turbine technology, but they won't help. We have been working with SNECMA for such a long time with limited success. No one wants to give away cutting edge technology that is limited to five and a half countries.
Come to think of it only 3 countries can make serious fighter planes: Russia, US and france. Perhaps china too.
 

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Come to think of it only 3 countries can make serious fighter planes: Russia, US and france. Perhaps china too.
I was talking about turbines, aka, jet engines.

US, Russia, UK, France, Germany, and PRC (not as good or efficient, but serves technology independence).

Although I might actually club France and Germany together, so it becomes four and a half countries.
 

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Make In India For Defence: UK Ready For Tech Transfer to India to become ‘World Beaters’

Britain yesterday offered technology transfer to India for co-production of military platforms and weapon systems to jointly become “world beaters” in arms exports. Britain’s Defence Secretary Michael Fallon also called for strengthening cooperation between the two countries to effectively deal with terrorism and extremism, calling them a major challenge facing the globe.

The British Defence Secretary is on a four-day visit to India aimed at enhancing security and defence ties.

On Indo-UK defence production, he said with innovation and collaboration, Britain and India can prove to be “world beaters”. “We are looking at government-to-government framework for transfer of technology,” he said, on technology transfer to India in defence manufacturing.

The British Defence Secretary also gave a run down of reform measures taken by his country in the defence sector and said a partnership with India will provide an unprecedented opportunity to match the British experience with Indian brainpower.

As per statistics collated by UK Trade and Investment, the country is the second biggest arms exporter in the world after the US. It said UK has sold more arms than Russia, China and France on average over the last 10 years. Britain has been a leading supplier of military platforms to India as well.

Fallon will hold talks with Defence Minister Arun Jaitley today on enhancing security ties and deepening cooperation in combating terrorism and extremism.

Source- PTI
 

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They should provide engine technology if they are really serious.Maybe after Brexit they will
 
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Britain does a lot of deals Saudis so it offers no strategic advantage for us since pak will get access from saudis. Also for starting and keeping Kashmir and Khalistan fires burning for decades they should not get easy access to our defense deals.,they have little to nothing of value to offer and many of their weapons involve other EU nations.


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