Britain blamed for Indian Malaysians' 'plight' in ex-colony

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Britain blamed for Indian Malaysians' 'plight' in ex-colony
IANS Jun 30, 2012

LONDON: An exiled Indian Malaysian human rights lawyer plans to file a lawsuit against the British government for failing to provide adequate safety to the community under the rule of Malay-Muslim majority when independence was granted to the former colony.

London-based Waytha Moorthy claims that the then British Harold MacMillian's government failed to provide protection to Indian Malaysians when independence was granted to the former colony in 1957.

The 46-year-old lawyer was expected to re-issue a class action lawsuit at the High Court Monday. He is claiming a sum of $1 million in compensation for each one of Malaysia's 1.8 million Indians.

Originally launched in 2007, but never heard and now out of time, Moorthy's claim is on behalf of Indian Malaysians who he said face human rights abuses and live unprotected and in "continuous colonisation".

The then British government gave the Muslim population special rights and privileges, effectively establishing a system of apartheid ever since, he said in a statement.

"In India, at the time of partition, the British government gave rights to minorities.

"In Malaysia, minority racial and religious groups were hung out to dry. The result is that 45 percent of the population is still being marginalised, humiliated and discriminated against when it comes to jobs, education and finance," said Moorthy, chair of HINDRAF, an NGO advocating equal rights for Indian Malaysians.

The organisation is banned in Malaysia and Moorthy has been jailed on numerous occasions in that country.

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Ethnic and religious discrimination big challenge for Malaysia's minorities
25 May 2011, By Farah Mihlar

Minority Rights Group International : Comment & analysis : Ethnic and religious discrimination big challenge for Malaysia's minorities

Malaysia prides itself on being a multi-cultural Muslim country. Its majority population are Malays in ethnicity who follow the Islamic religion. Some eight percent are Indians and about 40 percent Chinese. These ethnic groups profess different religions including Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Sikhism, and Christianity. The country also has a significant indigenous population known as Orang Asli.

While most of these communities live peacefully in Malaysia and are able to develop their lives and enjoy their rights, there remain a host of serious issues affecting minorities. These are human rights violations affecting people because of both their ethnic and religious identities.

During a recent visit to Kuala Lumpur the MCCBCHST (Malaysian Consultative Council of Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism and Taoism) helped organise interviews with religious leaders and activists, who discussed some of the main issues affecting minorities.

When Malaysia's economy took off in the 80's, leading the way as one of South East Asia's tiger economies, the country also brought in several policies privileging the majority community. Popularly known as 'Bumiputera' or 'son of the soil' these policies favour the Malay community over others

Activists explained that the policies are not always blatantly discriminatory, but they can be very subtle and impact every area of life including citizenship.

'Though on paper citizenship is available for everyone, non-Malays seem to take a longer time to get citizenship', says Reverend Dr. Thomas Philips, of the Christian Federation of Malaysia (CFM).

If you are Muslim immigrant you are more easily able to get citizenship than if you are not. Spouses of non-Muslim Malaysians who come from other countries find particularly frustrating to get citizenship.

'Malay' as an ethnicity is intrinsically linked to Islam, together with other criteria such as adhering to Malay culture (which arguably minorities also do) and having a Malay grandparent. The main defining factor is religion.


Ethnic discrimination in education and employment

In education and in certain professions, Malays are favoured through quota systems. Malaysia is one of the few countries in the world where the ethnic majority community benefits from quotas.

'The Judiciary, the civil service and the Police do not reflect the racial composition of the nation,' Reverend Dr. Thomas Philips says.

Places in prestigious residential schools in Malaysia are offered only to Malay students, while across the country Malays are given a quota to enable them to have better access and to progress well to tertiary education.

'It is a deliberate policy of one race dominating public service and education. In other countries minorities get special rights, not here. It is very difficult for minorities to survive here,' says Sardar V. Harcharan Singh of the Malaysian Gurdwaras Council (MGC).

As religion is so closely connected to ethnicity and nationalism in Malaysia, discrimination is not just on racial grounds but on religious as well.

Non-Muslims face serious issues of discrimination simply because of their religious beliefs.



Impact of Islamic law on non-Muslims

Conversion for a Muslim, for example, is a major problem in Malaysia. If a Muslim wants to renounce Islam, he or she has to go through a long and painful legal process. Different courts have adopted procedures including sending people to months of rehabilitation before allowing them to do so. There have also been cases where individuals have been charged with apostasy and face criminal charges.

Increasingly now the courts are referring cases to Islamic, Sharia courts, which have a strict religious interpretation of the law as compared to the secular interpretation in national level courts.

In May 2007 Malaysia's highest court ruled that Lina Joy, an ethnic Malay Muslim who wanted to convert to Christianity, should get permission from an Islamic court to be recognised a Christian, even though she had been practicing Christianity for 15 years.

'If you want to convert to Islam it is a matter of a few minutes and the authorities will even give you a financial allowance,'
says Sardar V. Harcharan Singh of the Malaysian Gurdwaras Council (MGC)

The stringent laws on religious conversion involving Islam have a major impact in cases of inter-marriage. Muslims cannot marry non-Muslims in practice. Although there is an exception for Muslim men to marry 'Kitabiyah' (people of the book), the definition of a 'Kitabiyah' in Malaysia is almost impossible to prove (where for example a woman must prove she is Christian and her ancestors were Christian before the prophethood of Muhammad). A non-Muslim must therefore convert to Islam to marry a Muslim.:troll:

Muslims marry under Shariah law, while non-Muslims marry under common law. Another problem that has arisen is in cases where one spouse in a non-Muslim marriage converts to Islam. The Islamic religious officials argue that infant children in such a marriage are also automatically converted to Islam and the non-Muslim spouse loses his or her rights to guardianship and custody of the children. As under Muslim law a man can have up to four wives it is not uncommon for non-Muslim men to convert to Islam to be able to marry for a second time without divorcing their first wife. Although minority rights activists argue that such marriages are bigamous and contrary to the law, no prosecutions have ever been made.

According to information provided by MCCBCHST, in May, 2006, Saravanan Thangatoray, who had for some time been estranged from his wife Subashini, told her that he had converted to Islam. He told her she could have nothing more to do with her elder child, who was just three years old and took the child into his custody. Despite being married under civil law, Subashini's husband applied for a dissolution of their Hindu marriage in an Islamic court.

The High Court, the Court of Appeal and the Federal Court all refused Subashini a substantive injunction to stop the Islamic court proceedings. This effectively forced her to deal with the Islamic court even though she was not a Muslim. The Courts also held that the consent of only one parent was necessary to convert a child to Islam.

'The Constitution says Sharia court has jurisdiction only over people who profess Islam. Sharia court is under the law inferior to the High Court, but because of their religious role they make it in a way that they are higher,' Sardar Jagir Singh of the Malaysian Gurdwaras Council (MGC) says.

In 2009 the government issued a policy statement against child conversions. This policy statement has not been translated into law, and in reality, minority rights activists say, infant children are still being unilaterally converted to Islam by only one parent without the other's consent or knowledge.

'How can religion claim exclusivity of words'

In the 80's legislation was passed banning the use by non-Muslims of several words considered Islamic. This included the reference to God commonly used by Muslims, which is 'Allah'. However, the equivalent word for God in the Malay language (which is also the official national language of the country) is also Allah.

In 2009, there were violent attacks on churches over the usage of the term 'Allah' after a High Court ruling that the Catholic Church could use the term in the Malay language version of their newsletter, distributed only to Catholics. Several Bibles published in the Malay language were seized by Malaysian customs authorities. Earlier in 2011, the Malaysian authorities announced that they would finally release the Bibles.

Because of the violence, the Catholic Church came to an agreement not to use the term until the appellate courts had dealt with the matter. However, the discriminatory effect of those laws affect other religions such as Sikhs, which also refers to God as 'Allah'. According to MCCBCHST there are at least 30 other countries in the world where the world Allah is used by both Christians and Muslims.

'How can any religion claim exclusivity of words? It is a freedom of expression issue,' says Reverend Dr. Thomas Philips.

Malaysia has also imposed restrictions on building places of worship. While a mosque can be built in any neighbourhood - Muslim or non-Muslim - any other religious place of worship can not be built within 100 meters of a Muslim neighbourhood. There are also other regulations such as; the place of worship cannot be above a certain height and cannot resemble a mosque. The latter rule again affects the Sikh community, which builds domes for their places of worship.

All across Malaysian towns and cities there are many non-Muslim places of religious worship that can be found. However, for new places of worship being built, activists say, the procedures and processes to build is getting tougher causing delays and resulting in some projects being abandoned.

Non-Muslim religious leaders in Malaysia are not asking for any special privileges or protection. They are simply asking not to be persecuted or discriminated against because of their religious and racial differences. What they ask for is not something new, it is what the founders of Malaysia envisioned when the country's Constitution was written.

Article 3(1) of the Constitution says that the religion of the Federation is Islam, but provides that 'other religions may be practised in peace and harmony in any part of the Federation.' Article 8 (1) provides for equality before the law for all persons. Article 11(1) gives every person the right to profess and practice his or her religion.

Religious leaders such as Fr. Phillips simply ask that these constitutional provisions be respected and upheld.

For pictures of religious leaders and activists who participated in the discussion see. Find pictures of Buddhist and Hindu places of religious worship here.


Religious leaders who participated in the discussion:

1) Reverend Dr. Thomas Philips - Christian Federation of Malaysia (CFM)

2) Mr. Prematilaka KD Serisena - Sasana Abhiwurdhi Wardana Society (SAWS)

3) Sardar V. Harcharan Singh - Malaysian Gurdwaras Council (MGC)

4) Daozhang Ng Chek - Federation of Taoist Associations Malaysia (FTAM)

5) Sardar Jagir Singh - Malaysian Gurdwaras Council (MGC)

6) Venerable Ming Ji - Malaysian Buddhist Association (MBA)

7) Venerable Sing Kan - Malaysian Buddhist Association (MBA)

8) Ms. Sally Chee Lai Yan - Malaysian Buddhist Association (MBA)

9) Mr. SO. Paramsothi - Malaysia Hindu Sangam (MHS)

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Bull ----ing shit. The Brits have very little to do with the racist crap the Malays spew out. And that shit is not limited to the ethnic Tamils but also to the Muslim Shias.
 

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Bull ----ing shit. The Brits have very little to do with the racist crap the Malays spew out. And that shit is not limited to the ethnic Tamils but also to the Muslim Shias.
The entire spectrum actually, including the Chinese Malays. Malaysia happens to be the country where the majority has to be protected from the minorities and provided reservations.
 

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What Discrimination? There is One MALAYSIA
From the Wall Street Journal:

"In 1969, race riots between Malays and ethnic-Chinese Malaysians prompted the country's predominantly Malay leaders to introduce affirmative-action-style policies to give a leg up to the Malay population.

The original goal was to help Malays catch up economically with ethnic-Chinese Malaysians, who comprise around a fourth of the country's 27 million people but who control a disproportionately large share of businesses and trade. To do so, the government created a series of state investment vehicles to buy into key parts of the Malaysian economy. Officials hoped that private Malay entrepreneurs would eventually emerge to take control."

"Considering that the Indians arrived in Malaysia as near-slaves and performed all the most undesirable work, if anyone should have been beneficiaries of affirmative action, it should have been the Indo-Malaysians.

To go on and on about the "poverty" of the "boomiputras" while ignoring the far greater historic and present disadvantages of the Indo-Malaysian is simply a cover for closet racism and religious chauvinism and intolerance (since the vast majority of Indo-Malays are Hindus). In fact, as the Star Online (Sep 30, 2005) revealed, Indians continue to earn much less than the national average. Several poor Indian families survive on less than 4$ a day (i.e. less than a third of the average per capita income)."

"We give the Wall Street Journal a thumbs up for writing about race-based discrimination in Malaysia, but a much bigger thumbs down for calling it "affirmative action."

"To give you a brief background, Malysia is 71% Malyasian and 29% other ethnic, but the minority way outperform Malaysians at things such as making money and attending college, in much the way that whites outperform blacks in the United States, with the difference being that the Indians and Chinese are the major minorities in Malaysia."

"This situation flies in the face one of the standard explanation for black underperformance in the United States, that discrimination against blacks by the majority prevents them from doing well. In Malaysia, there is legalized discrimination against the minority, but the minority just keep continuing to outperform the Malays."

"The Wall Street Journal shouldn't be calling this situation in Malaysia "affirmative action." To the extent that affirmative action is legitimately different than racial discrimination, it should be applied to a majority giving a helping hand to an underperforming minority. When the majority discriminates against the minority, that's just old fashioned racial discrimination like the kind we abolished in the Jim Crow South."

Taken from Australian Newspaper

"This list is a common knowledge to a lot of Malaysians, especially those non-Malays (Chinese, Ibans, Kadazans, Orang Asli, Tamils, etc.) who have been racially discriminated against.."

Dayakbaru: "Make a mental comparison of where standing could be in this list".

Figures in this list are merely estimates, so please take it as a guide only.

The government of Malaysia has the most correct figures. Is government of Malaysia too ashamed to publish their racist acts by publishing racial statistics?

This list covers a period of about 48 years since independence (1957).

List of racial discriminations ( Malaysia ):

(1) Of the five major banks, only one is multi-racial, the rest are controlled by Malays.

(2) 99% of Petronas directors are Malays.

(3) 3% of Petronas employees are Chinese.

(4) 99% of 2000 Petronas gasoline stations are owned by Malays.

(5) 100% all contractors working under Petronas projects must be of Bumis status.

(6) 0% of non-Malay staff are legally required in Malay companies. But there must be 30% Malay staffs in Chinese companies.

(7) 5% of all new intake for government police, nurses, army, are non-Malays.

(8) 2% is the present Chinese staff in Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF), a drop from 40% in 1960.

(9) 2% is the percentage of non-Malay government servants in Putrajaya, but Malays make up 98%.

(10) 7% is the percentage of Chinese government servants in the entire government (in 2004); a drop from 30% in 1960.

(11) 95% of government contracts are given to Malays.

(12) 100% all business licensees are controlled by Malay government, e..g. Taxi permits, Approved permits, etc.

(13) 80% of the Chinese rice millers in Kedah had to be sold to Malay controlled Bernas in 1980s. Otherwise, life is made difficult for Chinese rice millers.

(14) 100 big companies set up, owned and managed by Chinese Malaysians were taken over by government, and later managed by Malays since 1970s, e.g. UTC, UMBC, MISC, Southern Bank etc..

(15) At least 10 Chinese owned bus companies (throughout Malaysia in the past 40 years) had to be sold to MARA or other Malay transport companies due to rejection by Malay authorities to Chinese applications for bus routes and rejection for their applications for new buses..

(16) Two Chinese taxi drivers were barred from driving in Johor Larkin bus station. There are about 30 taxi drivers and three were Chinese in Oct. 2004. Spoiling taxi club properties was the reason given.

(17) 0 non-Malays are allowed to get shop lots in the new Muar bus station (Nov.. 2004).

(18) 8000 billion ringgit is the total amount the government channeled to Malay pockets through ASB, ASN, MARA, privatization of government agencies, Tabung Haji etc, through NEP over a 34 years period.

(19) 48 Chinese primary schools closed down from 1968 – 2000.

(20) 144 Indian primary schools closed down from 1968 – 2000.

(21) 2637 Malay primary schools built from 1968 – 2000.

(22) 2.5% is government budget for Chinese primary schools. Indian schools got only 1%, Malay schools got 96.5%.

(23) While a Chinese parent with RM1000 salary (monthly) cannot get school textbook loan, a Malay parent with RM2000 salary is eligible.

(24) All 10 public university vice chancellors are Malays.

(25) 5% of the government universities' lecturers are of non-Malay origins. This percentage has been reduced from about 70% in 1965 to only 5% in 2004.

(26) Only 5% has been given to non-Malays for government scholarships in over 40 years.

(27) 0 Chinese or Indians were sent to Japan and Korea under the 'Look East Policy.'

(28) 128 STPM Chinese top students could not get into the course to which they aspired, i.e. Medicine (in 2004).

(29) 10% quotas are in place for non-Bumi students for MARA science schools beginning in 2003, but only 7% are filled. Before that it was 100% Malays.

(30) 50 cases in which Chinese and Indian Malaysians are beaten up in the National Service program in 2003.

(31) 25% of the Malaysian population was Chinese in 2004, a drop from 45% in 1957.

(32) 7% of the Malaysian population is Indian (2004), a drop from 12% in 1957.

(33) 2 million Chinese Malaysians have emigrated in the past 40 years.

(34) 0.5 million Indian Malaysians have emigrated overseas.

(35) 3 millions Indonesians have migrated to Malaysia and become Malaysian citizens with Bumis status.

(36) 600,000 Chinese and Indian Malaysians with red IC were rejected repeatedly when applying for citizenship in the past 40 years. Perhaps 60% of them had already passed away due to old age. This shows racism, based on how easily Indonesians got their citizenships compared with the Chinese and Indians.

(37) 5% – 15% discount for a Malay to buy a house, regardless whether the Malay is rich or poor.

(38) 2% is what new Chinese villages get, compared with 98% – what Malay villages got for rural development budget.

(41) 0 temples/churches were built for each housing estate. But every housing estate got at least one mosque/surau built.

(42) 3000 mosques/surau were built in all housing estates throughout Malaysia since 1970. No temples or churches are required to be built in housing estates.

(43) 1 Catholic church in Shah Alam took 20 years to apply to have a building constructed. But they were told by Malay authority that it must look like a factory and not like a church. As of 2004 the application still have not been approved.

(44) 1 publishing of Bible in Iban language banned (in 2002).

(45) 0 of the government TV stations (RTM1, RTM2, TV3) are directors of non-Malay origin.

(46) 30 government produced TV dramas and films always showed that the bad guys had Chinese faces, and the good guys had Malay faces. You can check it out since 1970s. Recent years, this has become less of a tendency.

(47) 10 times, at least, Malays (especially Umno) had threatened to massacre the Chinese Malaysians using May 13, since 1969.

(48) 20 constituencies won by DAP would not get funds from the government to develop. These Chinese majority constituencies would be the last to be developed.

(49) 100 constituencies (parliaments and states) had been racially re-delineated so Chinese votes were diluted for Chinese candidates. This is one of the main reasons why DAP candidates have consistently lost in elections since the 1970s. (update to 2008 needed)

(50) Only 3 out of 12 human rights items are ratified by the Malaysian government since 1960.

(51) 0 – elimination of all forms of racial discrimination (UN Human Rights) has not been ratified by Malaysian government since 1960s.

(52) 20 reported cases whereby Malay ambulance attendances treated Chinese patients inhumanely, and Malay government hospital staffs purposely delayed attending to Chinese patients in 2003. Unreported cases may be 200.

(54) 20 cases every year whereby Chinese drivers who accidentally knocked down Malays were seriously assaulted or killed by Malays.

(55) 12% is what ASB/ASN got per annum while banks fixed deposits are only about 3.5% per annum.

There are hundreds more examples of racial discrimination in Malaysia to add to this list of 'colossal' racism. It is hoped that the victims of racism will write in to help expose this situation.

The Malaysian government should publish statistics showing how much Malays had benefited from the 'special rights' of Malays and at the same time release the statistics which show how minority races are being discriminated against.

Hence, the responsibility lies in the Malaysia government itself to publish unadulterated statistics of racial discrimination.

If the Malaysia government hides the statistics above, then there must be some evil doings, immoral doings, shameful doings and sinful doings, like the Nazis, going on with the non-Malays of Malaysia .

Civilized nations, unlike the evil Nazis, must publish statistics to show its treatment of its minority races. This is what Malaysia must publish.

We are asking for the publication of the statistics showing how 'implementation of special rights of Malays' had inflicted colossal racial discrimination onto non-Malays.

Many a doctrine is like a window pane. We see truth through it but it divides us from truth. I love you when you bow in your mosque, kneel in your temple, pray in your church. For you and I are sons of one religion, and it is the spirit.
Kahlil Gibran

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Discrimination against non-Muslims in Malaysia

A revealing summary of how non-Muslims in supposedly moderate Malaysia still are denied equality of rights with Muslims. From Biography.ms, with thanks to Bamsterkins:

The constitution of Malaysia provides for freedom of religion, although Islam is the official religion. However, there exist certain laws and practices which in effect discriminate against non-Muslims in Malaysia....

In September 2001, the then Prime Minister, Tun Dr. Mahathir bin Mohamad declared that the country was an Islamic state (negara Islam). The opposition leader at the time, Lim Kit Siang, is actively seeking support to declare Mahathir's move as unconstitutional by repeatedly clarifying that Malaysia is a secular state with Islam as its official religion as enshrined in the Constitution. However, the coalition government headed by Mahathir at the time held more than two-thirds of the seats in parliament. It requires a two-thirds majority vote for constitutional amendments in Malaysia. No proposed constitutional amendments by the Barisan Nasional government have ever failed to pass parliament since the Barisan Nasional came into power in 1957 until the time of the remarks.

Government funds support an Islamic religious establishment (the Government also grants limited funds to non-Islamic religious communities), and it is official policy to "infuse Islamic values" into the administration of the country.

The nation mantains two parallel justice systems in the country. One is the conventional justice system based upon laws gazetted by parliament. The other is syariah or Islamic law. Ostensibly syariah courts only have jurisdiction over persons who declare themselves to be Muslims. Consequently, this results in non-Muslims not having legal standing in syariah courts. Where decisions of the syariah court affect a non-Muslim, she can seek recourse in the secular courts who theoretically trump the syariah courts. However, this has often resulted in complications.

The rules of Syaria are set by the various sultans of the states. Historically a sultan had absolute authority over the state. Prior to independence Tunku Abdul Rahman got the sultans to cede authority to the federal government. One of the terms of this agreement is that the sultans still are the ultimate authority of Islamic law in their respective states.

Constitutionally, one of the four tests for being Malay in Malaysia is that one must be a Muslim. Therefore, all Malays are regarded to fall under Islamic law. The rationale for this is that Islam is considered intrinsic to Malay ethnic identity.

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The Chinese control the economy of Malaysia.

It can never be a true Islamic State, even if the Govt loads everything in favour of the Bhumputras
 

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In the 1970s, the Malaysian government implemented policies which are racially discriminatory designed to favour bumiputras (including affirmative action in public education) to create opportunities, and to defuse inter-ethnic tensions following the extended violence against Chinese Malaysians in the 13 May Incident in 1969.[1] These policies have succeeded in creating a significant urban Malay middle class. They have been less effective in eradicating poverty among rural communities. This policy has caused a backlash of resentment from excluded groups, in particular the sizeable Chinese and Indian Malaysian minorities.

At the 2004 annual general assembly of the United Malays National Organisation, which is the largest member of the governing coalition, deputy chair Badruddin Amiruldin cautioned against questioning the Bumiputras' special rights, which met with approval from the delegates: "Let no one from the other races ever question the rights of Malays on this land. Don't question the religion because this is my right on this land."

Another controversial aspect is that the Orang Asli of peninsular Malaysia are not considered Bumiputra under the Federal constitution. As their settlement predates that of the Malays, this is considered by many, that Bumiputra is about the promotion one religion over another, especially since Orang Asli are much worse off than Muslim Malays.

Members of the Indian community have also been vocal in demonstrating for Hindu rights and protesting that their community has long been worse off than the Malay community, a situation compounded by unfavorable treatment as non-Bumiputras.





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Bumiputera-ness: who decides?

MINISTER in the Prime Minister's Department Datuk Seri Mohamed Nazri Abdul Aziz's recent assertion respecting the bumiputera-ness of Siamese Malaysians piques my interest to no end.

Who or what decides on the bumiputera-ness or the bumiputera-less-ness of a Malaysian citizen? Is it the Federal Constitution? Was it the Reid Commission? Is it the cabinet, or Parliament, or the Barisan Nasional? Is it Umno? Or Perkasa?

My great-grandparents were born in Penang in the 19th century. They were salted-fish traders. In World War II, their mansions in town were expropriated by the Japanese and turned into barracks. I know for a fact that their blood, sweat and tears oozed into their native soil of Malaya.

My grandparents and parents had nothing to do with China. They contributed to Malaya and Malaysia and all facets of Malaysian-ness. That they and I were/are not qualified to be bumiputera Malaysians is simply illogical. Anywhere else in the world, one's citizenship would be the ultimate and consummate qualification of one's citizenry.

Here I am, a full-blooded Malaysian, and yet, somehow, a designated non-Malay and non-bumiputera Malaysian. Is it possible that my children's children will also end up like I have – a stipulated non-bumiputera 1Malaysian?

Bumiputera-ness: who decides? | The Nut Graph

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To identify citizens that qualify for the status of Bumiputra, Malaysia requires citizens to carry a national identification card called MyKad. Smart Cards identify citizens by race and religion.Under Article 160 of the Constitution of Malaysia a Malay is defined as being:

- a Malaysian citizen born to a Malaysian citizen who professes to be a Muslim - habitually speaks the Malay language - adheres to Malay customs - and is domiciled in Malaysia or Singapore.

However, opting out of the system is a different matter as demonstrated by Lina Joy's six year court battle. Joy's request to change the religion listed on her MyKad was denied by Malaysia's Supreme Court in 2007.

"Malaysia's constitution guarantees freedom of worship but says all ethnic Malays are Muslim. Under Sharia law, Muslims are not allowed to convert. " Any Western Malaysian citizen apparently can opt into the system simply by proclaiming him/herself to being Muslim.

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The Malay Dilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Malay Dilemma is a controversial book written by Mahathir bin Mohamad in 1970
The Malay race are the indigenous people (bumiputras) of Malaysia.
The sole national language is the Malay language and all other races are to learn it.
The tolerance and non-confrontational nature of the Malays has allowed them to be subjugated in their own land by the other races with the collusion of the British.
A program of affirmative action is required to correct Malaysian Chinese hegemony in business.
The dilemma thus, was whether Malays should accept this governmental aid — and Mahathir's position was that they should.
 

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The Chinese control the economy of Malaysia.

It can never be a true Islamic State, even if the Govt loads everything in favour of the Bhumputras

sir, Malaysia is no different, if you are a Muslim then its all easy there, migration etc. and even if you convert into a Muslim, you still have a chance. Bhumiputras around 65% of total population, and they keep every power to Muslims only. whether any high position in Malaysia, even captain of sports teams, even the head of a Malaysian company need to be a Muslim, as per their laws :toilet:
 

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why muslims always prefers secularism only when they are in minority but oppose it when they form majority

considering the current state of Indian origins in Malaysia, yesterday i reminded my statement on the Independence of India, how are got our Independence and what does it mean for us, to all the Indians regardless any religion/ race/ language/ state etc, as below. the true sense "Independence", which the Indians based in Malaysia couldn't get yet, which you all are celebrating here in India, as below :india:

here i would like to welcome opinion of other members of DFI on my finding on the ten biggest achievements of Independence of India in the thread as below :india:

=> http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/religion-culture/52087-discovery-india-facts-about-india-3.html

in short i may say, "as part of our freedom, there is no law in India which makes difference among the people based on religion/ race/ language/ state etc, there is no super human like British anymore in India, and now we pay taxes to that Indian government which use it for the purpose to help the people based in India, not for the WW1 and WW2 to help Britain. with providing Equal Rights to all and more opportunities to the weak part of Indian society like Dalits/ Women, at the same time we proud to say that we had many minorities Presidents/ PMs/ Chief Ministers/ Governors/ Chief Justice/ IAS topper/ Bolloywood superstar/ Cricket Team Captain etc, and we proud to say that we got this type of country from our elders who fought for our freedom and we are responsible to give the same type of country to our coming generation too. we just can't compromise our "Independence" for any reason. and we have to defend our Independence from any type of external threat, which we are currently facing in terms of Sectarian War mainly in North East, from the Bangladeshi infiltration..."

=> http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...-bangladesh-has-turned-assam-explosive-3.html

"We now pay tax to that Indian government which use the tax money to help the people based in India itself, develop infrastructure in India to improve life of the people based in India, while before that we were paying tax to those British to help them in their wars. Mr Gandhi struggled to have Industries in India, who may them provide jobs to Indians and hence pay taxes to Indian government for the purpose to use this tax for the people based in India. and yes we have got that 'freedom', and trying to improve. and we now proud to say that we have made a place where the most deserving people get higher success, regardless in which family they took birth, (of any religion/ race/ language/state etc). and we hope India will become one of the best place to live by using their talent/ knowledge this way"
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sir, Malaysia is no different, if you are a Muslim then its all easy there, migration etc. and even if you convert into a Muslim, you still have a chance. Bhumiputras around 65% of total population, and they keep every power to Muslims only. whether any high position in Malaysia, even captain of sports teams, even the head of a Malaysian company need to be a Muslim, as per their laws :toilet:
That is right.

One of my relations converted to marry a Muslim and now he is a Haji and has a roaring business.
 

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That is right.

One of my relations converted to marry a Muslim and now he is a Haji and has a roaring business.
why muslims always prefers secularism only when they are in minority but oppose it when they form majority
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Bull ----ing shit. The Brits have very little to do with the racist crap the Malays spew out. And that shit is not limited to the ethnic Tamils but also to the Muslim Shias.
The entire spectrum actually, including the Chinese Malays. Malaysia happens to be the country where the majority has to be protected from the minorities and provided reservations.

But here i must state that Malaysia is still a much better place for its minorities as compare to many other Asian nations, mainly Muslim majority nations.:malaysia: and if you want to see a real picture, how minorities are being eliminated from the Muslims nations then first have a look on Pakistan and Bangladesh, which were part of British India before 1947 too, as below. Pakistan is almost finish with non-Muslim minorities like Hindu/Sikhs, and now they have targeted minorities within the Muslims itself, like Shia/Ahmadis etc as below. while condition of minorities living in Bangladesh is also mentioned in the thread as below too :facepalm:

=> http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...-bangladesh-has-turned-assam-explosive-2.html


population of Hindus was around 88% at the time of freedom of India, while its now 80%, and minorities grew in India from 12% to 20% to its population now. while first Pakistani minorities are no more on counting, and minority Hindus/Buddhists got their population reduction in Bangladesh, as below :toilet:

"In 1947, Hindus constituted around 30% of the population," says Subroto Chowdhury, a Hindu community leader in Dhaka.

"Now it is less than 10%. Hindus are being warned to leave so that locals can take over their land and houses.
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BBC News - Bangladesh minorities 'terrorised' after mob violence

I just meant to say that, "discrimination" with the minorities in Malaysia is similar to rest of the Muslim countries, but at least there is no 'clean up' operation of minorities in Malaysia, like how we find in Pakistan/ Bangladesh which were in fact part of India before 1947 :toilet:

Pakistan's Shia genocide
26 Nov 2012

In the days leading up to the religious holiday of Ashura, leading members of the Pakistani Shia community in Pakistan received anonymous text messages warning of violence to come: "Kill, Kill, Shia".

In recent years, Ashura - which not long ago throughout the country was an occasion which Sunnis, Shias and others among Pakistan's ethno-religious milieu would commemorate together in harmony - has become an annual flashpoint in Pakistan's increasingly sectarian and violent religious culture.

Tragically, and despite high-profile efforts by the government to clamp down on the ability to militants to target worshippers such as the limitating cellphone service and banning of motorcycles from public roads during the holiday, this year's Ashura in Pakistan signified a continuation of the country's spiral into self-destructive communal violence.

A suicide bomber in the city of Rawalpindi hurled a grenade into the midst of a Shia procession before detonating his vest and killing 23 people, while other attacks throughout the country from Karachi to Dera Ismail Khan claimed the lives of dozens more.

The attacks were claimed by Pakistani Taliban (TTP) militants who denounced the victims as "blasphemers" and stated they were engaged in a "war of belief" with Shias - stating further that attacks against them would continue until they, in their millions, were wiped out of the country.

That the fanatical nihilism of terrorist attacks against public religious ceremonies - ceremonies which have been observed since the country's founding - has become normalised and routine is a sign of the depths to which Pakistan has sunk in terms of sectarianism and social fragmentation over the past decade.

Once a respected and well-integrated minority in a country where they comprise roughly 20 per cent of the population and count the nation's founder as one of their own, Shia Muslims within Pakistan have become a community under siege in recent years and are facing a situation which is increasingly being described by many Pakistanis as a slow-motion genocide.

Several hundred Pakistani Shias have been killed this year alone in increasingly high-profile attacks by extremist militants, including one incident caught on video in August in which passengers were forced off a bus in the Gilgit region and executed by armed militants who checked their victims' ID cards before killing whomsoever they could identify as being Shia.

It is believed that since the early 1990s, nearly 4,000 Pakistani Shias have been murdered in sectarian attacks, and at a pace which has rapidly accelerated in recent years. The tragic irony of this increasingly violent sectarianism is that Muhammad Ali Jinnah, widely known and revered as the "Father of the Nation" of Pakistan was himself a Shia Muslim though he maintained a secular public religious identity and preached the same for the country which he created. :facepalm:

His famous speech to Pakistanis in which he said: "You are free; you are free to go to your temples. You are free to go to your mosques or to any other places of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed"¦", signifies how far modern-Pakistan has departed from its founding ideals and become a place where the country's founder himself would likely be threatened and unwelcome.

Ahmadis, Barelvis, Christians and Hindus have all become subject to persecution within an increasingly religiously-chauvinistic Pakistani society, but it is Shias who have suffered the highest toll of bloodshed and whose fate is most tied to external forces intent on using Pakistan as a battleground for broader regional conflicts. :ranger:


Pakistan as sectarian battleground

In an interview given to Reuters, Malik Ishaq, the leader of one of Pakistan's most notorious anti-Shia extremist groups Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ) declared Shia Muslims "the greatest infidels on earth" and demanded that the Pakistani state "declare Shia non-Muslims on the basis of their beliefs".

Ishaq's demagoguery is not idle talk, LeJ death squads are believed to have been responsible for the killings of thousands of Shias throughout the country, including a campaign of targeted murders in 2011 which killed dozens of Shia doctors, lawyers and politicians residing in the major port-city of Karachi.

One lower-level LeJ operative now in police custody, Mahmoud Baber, reportedly choked with pride and emotion while describing to reporters his "great satisfaction" at being involved in 14 murders over his militant career, saying of the organisations purpose: "Get rid of Shias. That is our goal. May God help us".

Despite his unrepentant advocacy and propagation of violence, Ishaq himself has been acquitted over 30 times on homicide and terrorism charges - an incredible run of judicial fortune which many have attributed to covert support from elements within Pakistan's national security establishment which have long cultivated such groups as potential weapons against regional rival such as India.

Indeed, while organisations like the LeJ, Pakistani Taliban, Lashkar-e-Taiba and offshoots such as the Sipah-e-Sahaba (SSP) focus their violence on Pakistani Shias, they are representative of a broader regional narrative to which the Shia community is largely a victim of geopolitical circumstance and manipulation by external parties.

Pakistan has long been a front in the battle for regional influence between Iran and Saudi Arabia, and the patronage of violent extremist groups primarily by the latter has been utilised as a tool to counter potential Iranian influence within the country.

The Pakistani Shia population, as well as the Pakistan's social cohesion as a whole, have been the collateral damage in this battle as wealthy Gulf donors have armed and funded sectarian death squads to wreak havoc against Pakistani Shias and other religious minorities within the country.

WikiLeaks cables released in 2009 described the extent of which this support has been facilitated: "Donors in Saudi Arabia as the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide"¦ for groups aligned with Al-Qaida and focused on undermining stability in Afghanistan and Pakistan".

The leaked report describes in detail the extent to which wealthy, conservative Gulf donors have sought to use Pakistan as a battlefront for their war against Iran - a war in which they see all Shias across the world as being legitimate targets for violence.

An estimated $100m per year has flowed from donors from the Gulf to fund extremist groups in Pakistan and spread sectarian ideology - a massive sum especially for a developing country such as Pakistan and one which has been increasingly successful in subverting the heterodox and tolerant Islamic tradition which has historically been prevalent in the subcontinent.

Children in particular, often pliable candidates for suicide bombings, have been specifically recruited for indoctrination with those "between the ages of 8 to 12" and whose families are "suffering extreme financial difficulties" being the most favoured targets of recruitment by sectarian extremist groups.

Extremist religious sentiments

While Shia militant groups such as Sipah-e-Muhammad also do exist, these are widely considered by analysts to be marginal and largely reactionary - the Shia community has overwhelmingly been the recipient of violence as opposed to its purveyor and has become the target of external parties using Pakistan as a field upon which to settle regional scores, as well as seeking to give violent expression to their own extremist religious sentiments.

As described in an editorial by the Karachi-based Express Tribune: "A fact recognised by all in Pakistan is that the people of the country are not sectarian-minded. Before jihad took hold of Pakistan and extremist clerics became threatening, there was considerable harmony between the sects. Muharram was not the season of sectarian violence and mayhem. Today, the world understands that the intensification of the sectarian feeling among the clerics is actually a result of a war relocated from Pakistan's neighbourhood in the Gulf."

Tragically, it has become Pakistani Shias, a community which has little if anything to do with the increasingly heated conflict between Iran and Saudi Arabia, that has today become among its biggest victims of that escalating conflict.

There is growing realisation within Pakistan that the cynical manipulation of the country by regional actors is leading to a potential existential crisis for the state. Shias make up a large percentage of the country's population of 180 million and account for a significant proportion of the professional class which is vital to the nation's continued viability.

In recent months, high-profile religious leaders from across the country convened in the capital of Islamabad for a conference intended to promote intra-communal unity and "put the genie of sectarianism back in the bottle", while secular political leaders have also made forceful denunciations of the increasingly violent sectarian chauvinism within the country.

Despite these encouraging pronouncements, the horrifying scenes of murder which played out on Pakistani streets during this year's Ashura commemorations are a stark reminder of how deeply embedded violently extremist religious attitudes have become within segments of Pakistani society in recent years.

Many analysts have warned that Pakistani Shias increasingly face "sectarian cleansing" from the country if violence against them continues to accelerate, a fate which would be a tragic end to a community which for most of the Pakistan's history has lived in communal harmony with majority Sunnis and others within Pakistan's once-inclusive ethnic and religious tapestry.

Pakistan's Shia genocide - Opinion - Al Jazeera English
 
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Bull ----ing shit. The Brits have very little to do with the racist crap the Malays spew out. And that shit is not limited to the ethnic Tamils but also to the Muslim Shias.
Wherever there is the 'Religion of Peace', there is always a problem. From US to Philippines and from India to Sweden, every non-Muslim is suffering.
 

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Bull ----ing shit. The Brits have very little to do with the racist crap the Malays spew out. And that shit is not limited to the ethnic Tamils but also to the Muslim Shias.
The entire spectrum actually, including the Chinese Malays. Malaysia happens to be the country where the majority has to be protected from the minorities and provided reservations.
The Chinese control the economy of Malaysia.

It can never be a true Islamic State, even if the Govt loads everything in favour of the Bhumputras
H&R's thought of the day.

If you do not carry an appropriate, an adequate nuisance value people do not look after you.
Wherever there is the 'Religion of Peace', there is always a problem. From US to Philippines and from India to Sweden, every non-Muslim is suffering.
Your basic assumptions may be skewed to begin with, or you are too easily amused.:pokerface:

Hindus are punished for being Hindus, in India too

sir, its not just Malaysia and many other countries, Hindus are being punished for being Hindus in India itself, even if they are in 80% population. population of Hindus was around 88% in 1947 while its now even below 80%, then its all about the most liberal society of the world, the Hindu community. and it has become its weakness too. just have a look on the number of financial initiatives to support minority Sikhs, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists etc as they are not Hindus :toilet:. now in India, if you are not a Hindu then you may have many advantages, funds to support businesses, loans etc, but if you are a Hindu then you may lose them :tsk: :facepalm:

even if population of Hindus is still around 80%, India is a non-religious country with sharing equal rights and more opportunities for the weak part of society like Women/ Dalits in terms of reservations etc. no matter which family you belong to, of any religion/ language/ state etc, you may have the highest position in India if you qualify the exams. India may proud to say that even if its a Hindu majority country, it had many minority president and PMs, governors, chief justice, chief ministers, generals, bollywood super stars, captain of different sports etc.

but what the reason to offer better opportunities to minorities while they are richer than Hindus too? per capita income of Sikhs is well above average of Indian Hindus, while Christians receive foreign funds too for being Christians? while Muslims have problems of having too many kids, so their per capita income is obviously low?????????

then here, what the reason to punish Hindus in India itself for being Hindus? why so many projects, loans/ better financial opportunities for the minorities of India, while punishing Hindus this way, for being a Hindu??????? :india: :toilet:
 

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Hindus are punished for being Hindus, in India too

sir, its not just Malaysia and many other countries, Hindus are being punished for being Hindus in India itself, even if they are in 80% population. population of Hindus was around 88% in 1947 while its now even below 80%, then its all about the most liberal society of the world, the Hindu community. and it has become its weakness too. just have a look on the number of financial initiatives to support minority Sikhs, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists etc as they are not Hindus :toilet:. now in India, if you are not a Hindu then you may have many advantages, funds to support businesses, loans etc, but if you are a Hindu then you may lose them :tsk: :facepalm:

even if population of Hindus is still around 80%, India is a non-religious country with sharing equal rights and more opportunities for the weak part of society like Women/ Dalits in terms of reservations etc. no matter which family you belong to, of any religion/ language/ state etc, you may have the highest position in India if you qualify the exams. India may proud to say that even if its a Hindu majority country, it had many minority president and PMs, governors, chief justice, chief ministers, generals, bollywood super stars, captain of different sports etc.

but what the reason to offer better opportunities to minorities while they are richer than Hindus too? per capita income of Sikhs is well above average of Indian Hindus, while Christians receive foreign funds too for being Christians? while Muslims have problems of having too many kids, so their per capita income is obviously low?????????

then here, what the reason to punish Hindus in India itself for being Hindus? why so many projects, loans/ better financial opportunities for the minorities of India, while punishing Hindus this way, for being a Hindu??????? :india: :toilet:
You forget to add us. We Buddhists have also started facing the heat from Secular fascists and their islamic and vaticanian overlords. Jihad's example you know very well, the attacks against Buddhists that led to riots from Myanmar all the way into temple blasts in Gaya; and from missionaries who have been bullying Buddhists into converting in Arunachal Pradesh, all in secret nod from secularist governments.
 

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