Attacks on Tamil Nadu fishermen by Sri Lankan navy

[Holy Triad]

what's the tldr here? Not going to give vox views.

The sl fishermen too are ethnically tamils,they been banned from fishing by their own government due to the civil war.

So tn fishermen enjoyed the monopoly in these shallow waters,after the civil war ended the sl fishermen are allowed to fish but their vessels and fishing nets/equipment are very old/smoll compared with tn fishermen who are doin this in industrial scale.

So once in a while they tried to engage in a skirmish but they are too weak to defend against Indians.

One more back story in the name of fairness,

For years sl gormint were harboring hatred bcuz the local fishermen helped smuggling goods to ltte controlled areas. So They are using this conflict to bump off their mortal enemies.


Im not saying Indian fishermen are saints reincarnate but,instead of prosecuting them their navy bump ppl off.


Our coast guard too arrest the sl tresspassers but never bumped them off.

Delink the problem from the response.... Then you'll understand my pov.

 

[Haldilal]

in my view this conflict resolution should be done in a phased manner.

1) our fisherman who are getting into conflict areas should be identified.
2) they should be encouraged to form co-operative of sorts
3) those co-operatives should be given low interest loans to buy bigger vessels which can go deeper into the sea to catch bigger quantity and quality

Once deesclation happens over a period of time, increase diplomatic pressure on SL, because they will be in the wrong continuously.

Ya'll Nibbiars it's alrdeay implemented to a certain scale but the problem is still there its just not about Indians Fisherman's fishing is some waters but more than that.

 

[ezsasa]

Ya'll Nibbiars it's alrdeay implemented to a certain scale but the problem is still there its just not about Indians Fisherman's fishing is some waters but more than that.

prove this with data, along with yearwise cumulative loan amount, number of boats purchased, and type of boats and their capacity.

 

[Haldilal]

prove this with data, along with yearwise cumulative loan amount, number of boats purchased, and type of boats and their capacity.

Ya'll Nibbiars go to the TN fisheries department Websites search for revalent data.

 

[Holy Triad]

in my view this conflict resolution should be done in a phased manner.

1) our fisherman who are getting into conflict areas should be identified.
2) they should be encouraged to form co-operative of sorts
3) those co-operatives should be given low interest loans to buy bigger vessels which can go deeper into the sea to catch bigger quantity and quality

Once deesclation happens over a period of time, increase diplomatic pressure on SL, because they will be in the wrong continuously.

These are all well sounding plans but impossible to enforce by neither side,

Problems come and go sir,but if we keep doing unilateral decision making hoping they sl caught in bad pr is a very weak strategy

You Bringing up the issue,every border areas have their own issues, its not perfect world.


I have posted the key points of the issue above,

So ill focus on my Side of the argument,

For the argument sake,ill say temil fisherman are the villains in the story,

My issue is the lethal and disproportionate response from the other side,let them arrest them,let goi enter a deal to the basic prosecution/punishment process.


And more hindsight, tn government stand is katchatheevu donation to sl is illegal, so let the central gormint covertly support the border hoppers

That way if any issue flare up between sl and India we can use them to establish our dominion over there.



We can send armed escorts to enter their littoral areas during conflict time

 

[ezsasa]

These are all well sounding plans but impossible to enforce by neither side,

Problems come and go sir,but if we keep doing unilateral decision making hoping they sl caught in bad pr is a very weak strategy

You Bringing up the issue,every border areas have their own issues, its not perfect world.


I have posted the key points of the issue above,

So ill focus on my Side of the argument,

For the argument sake,ill say temil fisherman are the villains in the story,

My issue is the lethal and disproportionate response from the other side,let them arrest them,let goi enter a deal to the basic prosecution/punishment process.


And more hindsight, tn government stand is katchatheevu donation to sl is illegal, so let the central gormint covertly support the border hoppers

That way if any issue flare up between sl and India we can use them to establish our dominion over there.



We can send armed escorts to enter their littoral areas during conflict time

sure, when GoI learns aggressive foreign policy, we can think of these things. it's not that i am not thinking on these lines, i am just presenting feasible option within the limitations of past behaviour of India's foreign policy.

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars @ezsasa Nibba why angry?.

 

[ezsasa]

Ya'll Nibbiars @ezsasa Nibba why angry?.

i was hoping for a meaningful discussion.

 

[Haldilal]

i was hoping for a meaningful discussion.

Ya'll Nibbiars I made a meaningful post. Because I don't knew about your parameters.

 

[FalconZero]

Here's what seemed to me a good article explaining the situation,

Explained: What is the conflict between Lankan navy and Indian fishermen?

Tamil Nadu government allege that the bodies which washed ashore in Sri Lanka belonged to four Indian fishermen and that they were beaten to death by the Lankan Navy.

indianexpress.com

In 1974, the island was ceded to Sri Lanka after an agreement was signed by Indira Gandhi between the two countries without consulting the Tamil Nadu government. The agreement allows Indian fishermen “access to Katchatheevu for rest, for drying of nests and for the annual St Anthony’s festival” but it did not ensure the traditional fishing rights.

Yes it was our fuckup but also unnecessary use of brute force by sl navy, even in territorial waters they are not supposed to shoot anyone and let alone in situations like that of Katchatheevu where there's an agreement for allowing certain facilities to the Indian fishermen.

One part it is mistake from our side it seems but also another display of cuckedness of our gormints.

I was going through some past accidents and reports about how we track our boats (fishing boats), i got this response,

MEA | E-citizen/RTI : Parliament Q & A : Rajya Sabha

QUESTION NO.1201 INDIAN FISHERMEN KILLED BY SRI LANKAN NAVY

mea.gov.in

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Along with another report that by 2018, we had like 50% of the boats which are pretty small don't have any transponders so they are probably not even aware of their locations. Even government probably can't pin point certain event, all this could have been avoided if we make it mandatory for every fishing boat to have some sort of transponder (probably given by government), by that i mean implementation part cuz we have law about it, and a good log of the data to cross check the locations of the boats on a certain date (atleast keep data for 2 months?). It's important because by that we will have a quantitative data to atleast get an idea and story from our side otherwise it's just conjecture.

Like in this report,

Tamil Nadu fisherman killed after Sri Lankan navy vessel hits trawler | Trichy News - Times of India

A fisherman from Kottaipattinam in Pudukottai district drowned in sea after a Sri Lankan navy vessel hit the fishing boat in which he along with two o

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Fisherman was allegedly killed by SL navy, guess of the location is around 19 nautical miles from Indian coast (kottaipattinam) even if we consider the max distance that place isn't nowhere within the territorial waters of SL navy (They even confirm it that they 'saved' him from international waters) so in this case we should have been more serious about how we handle the situation diplomatically.

I wonder if some low res cameras can be installed in boats to get record of events, sort of like some cars do. That can help too.

TLDR; we are being lazy that's it. Also, we should learn to bully.

 

[Covfefe]

Here's what seemed to me a good article explaining the situation,

Explained: What is the conflict between Lankan navy and Indian fishermen?

Tamil Nadu government allege that the bodies which washed ashore in Sri Lanka belonged to four Indian fishermen and that they were beaten to death by the Lankan Navy.

indianexpress.com

Yes it was our fuckup but also unnecessary use of brute force by sl navy, even in territorial waters they are not supposed to shoot anyone and let alone in situations like that of Katchatheevu where there's an agreement for allowing certain facilities to the Indian fishermen.

One part it is mistake from our side it seems but also another display of cuckedness of our gormints.

I was going through some past accidents and reports about how we track our boats (fishing boats), i got this response,
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MEA | E-citizen/RTI : Parliament Q & A : Rajya Sabha

QUESTION NO.1201 INDIAN FISHERMEN KILLED BY SRI LANKAN NAVY

mea.gov.in

.

Along with another report that by 2018, we had like 50% of the boats which are pretty small don't have any transponders so they are probably not even aware of their locations. Even government probably can't pin point certain event, all this could have been avoided if we make it mandatory for every fishing boat to have some sort of transponder (probably given by government), by that i mean implementation part cuz we have law about it, and a good log of the data to cross check the locations of the boats on a certain date (atleast keep data for 2 months?). It's important because by that we will have a quantitative data to atleast get an idea and story from our side otherwise it's just conjecture.

Like in this report,

Tamil Nadu fisherman killed after Sri Lankan navy vessel hits trawler | Trichy News - Times of India

A fisherman from Kottaipattinam in Pudukottai district drowned in sea after a Sri Lankan navy vessel hit the fishing boat in which he along with two o

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Fisherman was allegedly killed by SL navy, guess of the location is around 19 nautical miles from Indian coast (kottaipattinam) even if we consider the max distance that place isn't nowhere within the territorial waters of SL navy (They even confirm it that they 'saved' him from international waters) so in this case we should have been more serious about how we handle the situation diplomatically.

I wonder if some low res cameras can be installed in boats to get record of events, sort of like some cars do. That can help too.

TLDR; we are being lazy that's it. Also, we should learn to bully.

Yes, the killing of fishermen cannot be acceptable. They must realize that all their pumped-up vengeance towards Indian Tamils will be very expensive if they try venting it out thru their triggers. Don't understand how Coast Guard and IN don't react.

 

[fire starter]

Yes, the killing of fishermen cannot be acceptable. They must realize that all their pumped-up vengeance towards Indian Tamils will be very expensive if they try venting it out thru their triggers. Don't understand how Coast Guard and IN don't react.

Seems like they need another LTTE type banging.

 

[fire starter]

Lo ji aur kar lo Appeasement.

 

[Haldilal]

Lo ji aur kar lo Appeasement.

Ya'll Nibbiars if they want credit then have to release the Indian fishermen as soon as possible. Or else mangte raho.

If can't even have this stand then we are going back to the MMS days. Again weak diplomacys.

 

[fire starter]

Ya'll Nibbiars if they want credit then have to release the Indian fishermen as soon as possible. Or else mangle raho.

If can't even have this stand then we are going back to the MMS days. Again weak diplomacys.

Our Diplomacy be like.

 

[Haldilal]

Our Diplomacy be like.
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Ya'll Nibbiars The MEA be like.

 

[fire starter]

Ya'll Nibbiars The MEA be like.

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We need more hanumans to deal with lankans

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

SL took India for granted when Rajapakse promised during 2007-08 after the war and immediately after 2009 he will implement 18th amendment giving autonomy to the north.

He shamelessly fell back on his promise and our Indian Govt shamelessly took the punch. And Modi who came to power in 2014, promising to right the wrongs of 2009, invited Rajapakse to his swearing in.

And to this day, GoI has never been able to implement the promise given in writing to Rajiv Gandhi in 1987 and again in 2009 till this day.

And our fellow Indians are discussing how to "appease" Lanka so as to gain strategic space. I mean with all our help, it was India's diplomatic help which avoided Lanka getting sanctions. The world was watching India on what it wanted to do. After getting the help it went straight to China's lap.

Bravo Indian master diplomats. Nepal and SL have been our biggest strategic failures to this day.

 

[Haldilal]

SL took India for granted when Rajapakse promised during 2007-08 after the war and immediately after 2009 he will implement 18th amendment giving autonomy to the north.

He shamelessly fell back on his promise and our Indian Govt shamelessly took the punch. And Modi who came to power in 2014, promising to right the wrongs of 2009, invited Rajapakse to his swearing in.

And to this day, GoI has never been able to implement the promise given in writing to Rajiv Gandhi in 1987 and again in 2009 till this day.

And our fellow Indians are discussing how to "appease" Lanka so as to gain strategic space. I mean with all our help, it was India's diplomatic help which avoided Lanka getting sanctions. The world was watching India on what it wanted to do. After getting the help it went straight to China's lap.

Bravo Indian master diplomats. Nepal and SL have been our biggest strategic failures to this day.

Ya'll Nibbiars nothing will happen talking about this. Even some members takes the other stance.

 

[Tshering22]

There are two steps that need to be done to resolve this:

1. Set up a common pool trust fund that raises capital along the lines of a cooperative bank to help fishermen start learning and adopting fish farming techniques. This includes setting up costs for fish farms, training fishermen, and securing the fish eggs, in small shallow localities alongside the coastal belt. The interest rates of these banks have to be decided only by the collective TN fishermen's association in combination with the TN state government so as to eliminate factional politicking later.
   • Uttarakhand has freshwater fish farms that have had tremendous success and has reaped rich dividends for the rural populations; don't see why TN can't have such a program for marine pisciculture.
2. Take down a few Lankan Navy personnel and then deny having done it so that the Rajapaksas can't play politics over it. Do it a few times until they feel the heat we feel and stop this. Sink a few SLN gunboats in retaliation
3. Start putting conditions on LoCs that ensure that our fishermen don't get killed.

These will be long-term programs, but unless our fishermen learn to farm sustainably, this nonsense will keep fueling local politics.

This has to be a two-way response. Just sinking Lankan ships won't solve anything and at the same time appeasing their terror tactics will not be good.

Lanka is not the enemy but we cannot let them kill our countrymen with impunity. That's plain wrong!