Read about Sunni Ottoman vs Shia safavid wars .I have never read up on the Iran v/s Turkey past history. Seems like another potential future conflict in this disaster zone. Below is from the PDF Karabakh thread. Mr. Z is a Persian. Mr. T is a Turk.
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I only remember KDPI and KDPIt's a pretty complex relationship. Iran backs Assad while Turkey backs FSA.
Both are wary of Kurds. Turkey is downright paranoid while Iran is a little more reasonable. Hence, Turkey and Iran share intelligence with each other against Kurds.
KRG in Iraq also helps both sides (Barzani, the leader of the regime is corrupt and a Kurd version of sepoy). Recently, PJAK, the Kurdish separatist group demanding secession of Rojhelat from Iran was pushed out of border areas of Iraq by KRG.
Similarly KRG attacked YBS (Yazidi militia backed by Kurds with similar ideologies to YPG) on behest of Turkey.
So Iran and Turkey join hands when it comes to killing Kurds but are otherwise fighting on every issue.
Reason why Iran is against Azerbaijan taking over NK region or Armenian border is because Northern Iran has a sizeable ethnic Azerbaijani populace and Azerbaijan right across the border would most definitely fan the flames of separatism there. (Keep in mind Azerbaijan and Israel cooperate with each other frequently, especially when it comes to Iran.)
Also interesting is the name of the Iranian poster in the pic here. Zartosht (farsi for Zoroastrian) is a telling sign. Even though apostasy is punishable by death in Iran, there has been a silent revolution of either reconversion to Zoroastrianism or conversion to Christianity. It won't be visible on paper or survey yet but it's happening and at a pretty good rate.
This will be a game changer if the mullah regime gets weak at any point during a hypothetical war. Islamic Republic of Iran can NOT rely on its own people to not rebel.
Very interesting future for the ME region ahead.
PUK. It's just another political party with a militia (many political parties in Iraq have their own militia). They did fight against ISIS afaik.I only remember KDPI and KDP
Which one is lead by Jalal talabani I forgot lol
All political parties of iraq have their own militia, really et tu waanar et tu?PUK. It's just another political party with a militia (many political parties in Iraq have their own militia). They did fight against ISIS afaik.
It's a brain burning exercise to remember abbreviations of all Kurdish groups and for whom they fight .PUK. It's just another political party with a militia (many political parties in Iraq have their own militia). They did fight against ISIS afaik.
Must be endiaaa behind this.
They should have thought about this before.Capitulated
Now its too late. Armenia dont hv good economy to buy sophsticated weapons.They should have thought about this before.
This is a conflict which Armenia never win. They never made any friends Internationally and did never have and Economic and Military power.
This is a war which they will eventually lose.
Problem is that Armenia is sandwiched between Turkey and Azerbaijan who hates Armenia and wants to see Armenia wiped out. Russia was basically Armenia's security guarantor. With the Ukraine war and Russia being too busy in that conflict, Armenia basically had no where to turn to and geography screwed Armenia. US was trying to get Sweden and Finland into NATO and could not upset Turkey any further by picking Armenia's side.Now its too late. Armenia dont hv good economy to buy sophsticated weapons.
But for self defense it should not rely on others.Problem is that Armenia is sandwiched between Turkey and Azerbaijan who hates Armenia and wants to see Armenia wiped out. Russia was basically Armenia's security guarantor. With the Ukraine war and Russia being too busy in that conflict, Armenia basically had no where to turn to and geography screwed Armenia. US was trying to get Sweden and Finland into NATO and could not upset Turkey any further by picking Armenia's side.
So it was a perfect storm for Turkey and Azerbaijan to take advantage of and Armenia simply had no recourse.
when you are a small country with a small population you got no choice but to rely on others for self defense otherwise you get overwhelmed which happened here.But for self defense it should not rely on others.
Artsakh will hold, not Armenia. also, Armenia did not intervene much. Armenia VS Azerbaijan and Turkey is a doable defensive battle if it plays out and Armenia will also have no choice but to fight as it them backed against a wall. Also, these are not paki level Muslims, they are mostly cultural Muslims at best and more defined by their tribe and ethnicity. What I mean to say is that they don't have the readily available renewable resource of low-level sub-conventional tools like sending jihadis across the border the true Muslims pakis are and they remind me of the Yugoslav conflict with Christians-in-name only vs Muslims-in name only types.I don't think so out involvement in Armenia was anything more than opputunistic arms sales. The defence budget of Azerbaijan is larger than Armenian national budget. So I doubt mea was ever so foolish to believe that Armenia would hold.
That being said now that azeris have switched to us, instc is dead.
How do you run a trade corridor between India and Russia through Armenia without Georgia in it? the entire purpose the of Corridor is to connect India with Europe or the European Union’s Single Market by bypassing the Suez Canal and Chinese debt trap belt and road. This would have been a lot easier if Russian wasn’t at war with it’s important neighbors.We have just sent out defense liaison to Armenia, we planned for the corridor through Armenia. Indian MEA's best hopes probably that these clowns don't go into full mad mode and burn their relations with Russia beyond repair. With each passing day, things will detieorate only.
Remember kids, with Gora saheb's backing, all things are possible, ethnic cleansing, genocide, you just have to be useful for him.
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