Armenian-Azerbaijan 2020 War

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LoL why would they ask Roosies and Iranians for permission

 

[Cheran]

LoL why would they ask Roosies and Iranians for permission

Western (US+EU) have invested heavily in Armenian "civil societies". They want to wean then away from Russia, ultimate aim being removing Russia from that area (peacekeepers).

So, from what i understand, a section of Armenians conveniently try to blame Russia for everything at the behest of EU/US, to undermine them.

That tweet saying Russian has given permission should be read with this in context.

 

[omaebakabaka]

LoL why would they ask Roosies and Iranians for permission

Because Russia is part of CSTO and Iran is also sensitive to any Azeri overtures....this is what happens when you elect a puppet that bids for others interests aka Armenia PM or President and in future Azeri guy who is a turkish bitch.

 

[Jimih]

LoL why would they ask Roosies and Iranians for permission

Putin is annoyed that Armenians try to toe Western line time to time.

Iran will also be affected in the war, as Azeries also claim Iran's land.

 

[Azaad]

LoL why would they ask Roosies and Iranians for permission

Utter nonsense. The Iranian regime is completely at odds with Azerbaijan who've chosen to forsake it's sectarian identity which they share with the majority in Iran i.e Shi'a Islam in preference to their ethnic identity which is Turkic thus seeking common cause with Turkey. What's more the Azeris have permitted the usage of their territory to be the staging ground for the many attacks against Iranians especially the IRGC & those close to the present regime of Iran orchestrated by the Israelis.

Russia's definitely supporting Armenia though recent moves by the Armenian government may have cheesed off the Russians but given the precarious position of the Armenians there's no way the Russians would prefer the Azeris to get the better of the Armenians especially as the former are deep in the bosom of Turkey .

With Armenia gone , there's a huge pipeline carrying both oil & gas to be constructed thru Armenia from Azerbaijan into Turkey & from there into Europe thus undermining both Iran & Russia.

 

[bhramos]

Presumably, footage of transfer of equipment of Armenian armed forces to border with Azerbaijan.

 

[bhramos]

Putin is annoyed that Armenians try to toe Western line time to time.

Iran will also be affected in the war, as Azeries also claim Iran's land.

#Iran is also transferring military equipment to the border with #Azerbaijan.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Seems like iranians are itching to fight

 

[kamaal]

Iran has no answer to smart Israeli weapons at the moment, but if they want they can certainly stop Azeri-Turki from doing misadventure in the region against Iranian interest.

 

[cyclops]

US Troops’ Arrival in Armenia for Training Riles Russia
September 11, 2023 8:21 PM

• Rob Garver

In this handout photograph taken and released by Armenian Defence Ministry on September 11, 2023, Armenian servicemen attend the opening ceremony of the Eagle Partner 2023 Armenia-US joint drills at Zar Training Center outside Ashtarak.

The arrival of 85 U.S. soldiers for a training mission in Armenia has sparked a strong negative reaction from the Russian government, which has long had a military alliance with that country through its Collective Security Treaty Organization.
The U.S. personnel are in Armenia for an exercise called Eagle Partner, during which they will train with 175 members of the Armenian 12th Peacekeeping Brigade. The objective is to prepare the Armenian soldiers for an assessment later this year of their ability to conform to NATO standards if deployed as peacekeepers.
The 10-day exercise will take place at training grounds near the Armenian capital, Yerevan. The American forces include members of both the 101st Airborne Division and the Kansas National Guard.

Tense moment
The arrival of U.S. troops in Armenia comes at a time when tensions are high in the region.
Armenia and Azerbaijan, its neighbor to the east, have fought two wars in the past several decades over the disputed territory of Nagorno-Karabakh, which is within the current internationally recognized borders of Azerbaijan, but which has a large Armenian population.
The most recent conflict took place in 2020, and was ended by a peace brokered by Russia, which required Armenia to return land it had previously seized from Azerbaijan. Despite the turnover, a large portion of Nagorno-Karabakh remains under the control of a breakaway ethnic Armenian government.
The cease-fire included the installation of 2,000 Russian troops in an area known as the Lachin corridor, which connects Armenia to Nagorno-Karabakh. The presence of Russian troops in the corridor was supposed to allow people in Nagorno-Karabakh access to Armenia, as well as keeping open a supply line to the outside world.
Last December, though, the Azerbaijani government closed the roads, severing the supply route and creating what Armenia describes as a humanitarian crisis in the region. With many aid convoys effectively barred from entering the region, Russian peacekeepers have not intervened, angering the Armenian government.
Azerbaijan has denied it is purposefully cutting off supplies to Nagorno-Karabakh, claiming that aid caravans have been carrying contraband and are meant as a "provocation."

Fraying ties with Russia
Last week, with the arrival of American troops looming, Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan criticized Russia in an interview with an Italian newspaper, saying Moscow had failed to assure Armenia's security. He accused the Russian government of stepping away from its responsibilities in the South Caucasus region.
"Armenia's security architecture was 99.999% linked to Russia, including when it came to the procurement of arms and ammunition," Pashinyan told the newspaper La Repubblica. "But today, we see that Russia itself is in need of weapons, arms and ammunition. And in this situation, it's understandable that even if it wishes so, the Russian Federation cannot meet Armenia's security needs."
Pashinyan added, "This example should demonstrate to us that dependence on just one partner in security matters is a strategic mistake."

Moscow responds
Following Pashinyan's comments, his government also took steps toward ratifying the treaty creating the International Criminal Court, a body that indicted Russian President Vladimir Putin on war crimes charges over actions taken during his country's invasion of Ukraine.
The ICC was established in 2022, after being ratified by 60 countries. Since then, dozens of other countries have also ratified or acceded to the treaty on a rolling basis. If Armenia were to join, it would be the 124th country to join.
In addition, the prime minister's wife visited the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, as part of an aid mission.
The Russian government summoned Armenia's ambassador to the Kremlin to "strongly protest" the prime minister's comments and his government's action.
In a statement Friday, the Russian Foreign Ministry said, "The Armenian leadership has taken a series of unfriendly steps in recent days, including the launch of the process of ratification of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, the trip of the prime minister's wife Anna Hakobyan to Kiev to deliver humanitarian aid to the Nazi regime, and the holding of military exercises on Armenian territory with the participation of the United States."
In comments Sunday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov followed up by saying that it looks "strange" for Armenia to be hosting U.S. troops when for the past two years, it has declined to participate in drills with the five other members of Collective Security Treaty Organization.
"I do not believe it will be any good for anyone, including Armenia itself," Lavrov said during a news briefing on Sunday. "Wherever the Americans arrive, it always means trouble."
On Monday, Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said the Kremlin is in the process of trying to "make sense" of Armenia's actions.
"Against the backdrop of Armenia's reluctance to hold drills with the CSTO and its latest plan to host a joint exercise with the United States, for us, perhaps, these are decisions that will require our thorough analysis in order to understand why Armenia has decided to do this and what its goals are here," Peskov said.

Concerns about conflict
Pashinyan's government has also warned that Azerbaijani troops are massing on Armenia's borders — which Azerbaijan denies — and has been seeking international assistance in an effort to reopen a dialogue between the two countries.
In recent days, Pashinyan has reached out to the leaders of multiple Western countries, including the United States, France and Germany, seeking assistance in brokering an agreement with Azerbaijan.
On Monday, Pashinyan spoke with Turkish President Recep Tayyep Erdigan, a close ally of Azerbaijan. Media reports suggested that the two had discussed ways of reducing tension in the region. The day before, Erdogan had denounced an election held by the separatist government in Nagorno-Karabakh.

Routine training
The U.S. Army characterized the Eagle Partner operation as a normal training exercise — one that expanded on a longstanding relationship the Armenian military has had with the Kansas National Guard.
"Eagle Partner is a vital opportunity for our soldiers from our two nations to build new relationships at the tactical level and to increase interoperability for peacekeeping operations," Colonel Martin O'Donnell, a spokesperson for U.S. Army Europe and Africa, said in a statement. "It also builds upon the 20-year relationship that the Kansas National Guard has cultivated with Armenia."

https://www.voanews.com/a/us-troops-arrival-in-armenia-for-training-riles-russia/7264316.html

 

[Azaad]

US Troops’ Arrival in Armenia for Training Riles Russia
September 11, 2023 8:21 PM

• Rob Garver

In this handout photograph taken and released by Armenian Defence Ministry on September 11, 2023, Armenian servicemen attend the opening ceremony of the Eagle Partner 2023 Armenia-US joint drills at Zar Training Center outside Ashtarak.

The arrival of 85 U.S. soldiers for a training mission in Armenia has sparked a strong negative reaction from the Russian government, which has long had a military alliance with that country through its Collective Security Treaty Organization.
The U.S. personnel are in Armenia for an exercise called Eagle Partner, during which they will train with 175 members of the Armenian 12th Peacekeeping Brigade. The objective is to prepare the Armenian soldiers for an assessment later this year of their ability to conform to NATO standards if deployed as peacekeepers.
The 10-day exercise will take place at training grounds near the Armenian capital, Yerevan. The American forces include members of both the 101st Airborne Division and the Kansas National Guard.

Tense moment
The arrival of U.S. troops in Armenia comes at a time when tensions are high in the region.
Armenia and Azerbaijan, its neighbor to the east, have fought two wars in the past several decades over the disputed territory of Nagorno-Karabakh, which is within the current internationally recognized borders of Azerbaijan, but which has a large Armenian population.
The most recent conflict took place in 2020, and was ended by a peace brokered by Russia, which required Armenia to return land it had previously seized from Azerbaijan. Despite the turnover, a large portion of Nagorno-Karabakh remains under the control of a breakaway ethnic Armenian government.
The cease-fire included the installation of 2,000 Russian troops in an area known as the Lachin corridor, which connects Armenia to Nagorno-Karabakh. The presence of Russian troops in the corridor was supposed to allow people in Nagorno-Karabakh access to Armenia, as well as keeping open a supply line to the outside world.
Last December, though, the Azerbaijani government closed the roads, severing the supply route and creating what Armenia describes as a humanitarian crisis in the region. With many aid convoys effectively barred from entering the region, Russian peacekeepers have not intervened, angering the Armenian government.
Azerbaijan has denied it is purposefully cutting off supplies to Nagorno-Karabakh, claiming that aid caravans have been carrying contraband and are meant as a "provocation."

Fraying ties with Russia
Last week, with the arrival of American troops looming, Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan criticized Russia in an interview with an Italian newspaper, saying Moscow had failed to assure Armenia's security. He accused the Russian government of stepping away from its responsibilities in the South Caucasus region.
"Armenia's security architecture was 99.999% linked to Russia, including when it came to the procurement of arms and ammunition," Pashinyan told the newspaper La Repubblica. "But today, we see that Russia itself is in need of weapons, arms and ammunition. And in this situation, it's understandable that even if it wishes so, the Russian Federation cannot meet Armenia's security needs."
Pashinyan added, "This example should demonstrate to us that dependence on just one partner in security matters is a strategic mistake."

Moscow responds
Following Pashinyan's comments, his government also took steps toward ratifying the treaty creating the International Criminal Court, a body that indicted Russian President Vladimir Putin on war crimes charges over actions taken during his country's invasion of Ukraine.
The ICC was established in 2022, after being ratified by 60 countries. Since then, dozens of other countries have also ratified or acceded to the treaty on a rolling basis. If Armenia were to join, it would be the 124th country to join.
In addition, the prime minister's wife visited the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, as part of an aid mission.
The Russian government summoned Armenia's ambassador to the Kremlin to "strongly protest" the prime minister's comments and his government's action.
In a statement Friday, the Russian Foreign Ministry said, "The Armenian leadership has taken a series of unfriendly steps in recent days, including the launch of the process of ratification of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, the trip of the prime minister's wife Anna Hakobyan to Kiev to deliver humanitarian aid to the Nazi regime, and the holding of military exercises on Armenian territory with the participation of the United States."
In comments Sunday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov followed up by saying that it looks "strange" for Armenia to be hosting U.S. troops when for the past two years, it has declined to participate in drills with the five other members of Collective Security Treaty Organization.
"I do not believe it will be any good for anyone, including Armenia itself," Lavrov said during a news briefing on Sunday. "Wherever the Americans arrive, it always means trouble."
On Monday, Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said the Kremlin is in the process of trying to "make sense" of Armenia's actions.
"Against the backdrop of Armenia's reluctance to hold drills with the CSTO and its latest plan to host a joint exercise with the United States, for us, perhaps, these are decisions that will require our thorough analysis in order to understand why Armenia has decided to do this and what its goals are here," Peskov said.

Concerns about conflict
Pashinyan's government has also warned that Azerbaijani troops are massing on Armenia's borders — which Azerbaijan denies — and has been seeking international assistance in an effort to reopen a dialogue between the two countries.
In recent days, Pashinyan has reached out to the leaders of multiple Western countries, including the United States, France and Germany, seeking assistance in brokering an agreement with Azerbaijan.
On Monday, Pashinyan spoke with Turkish President Recep Tayyep Erdigan, a close ally of Azerbaijan. Media reports suggested that the two had discussed ways of reducing tension in the region. The day before, Erdogan had denounced an election held by the separatist government in Nagorno-Karabakh.

Routine training
The U.S. Army characterized the Eagle Partner operation as a normal training exercise — one that expanded on a longstanding relationship the Armenian military has had with the Kansas National Guard.
"Eagle Partner is a vital opportunity for our soldiers from our two nations to build new relationships at the tactical level and to increase interoperability for peacekeeping operations," Colonel Martin O'Donnell, a spokesperson for U.S. Army Europe and Africa, said in a statement. "It also builds upon the 20-year relationship that the Kansas National Guard has cultivated with Armenia."

https://www.voanews.com/a/us-troops-arrival-in-armenia-for-training-riles-russia/7264316.html

Look at the wheels within wheels within wheels . EU energy security & more importantly energy independence is what gives its products & services its competitive edge in the market . That's what France & Germany have been determined to drive in the EU after the big 4 ( Germany + Italy + France + UK ) couldn't agree to common ground with Italy losing its pre eminence as a prominent economy in the EU first followed by UK exiting the EU .

Russia & the US share common goals albeit for completely different reasons. That's part of the reason behind this Ukraine war.& also the Syrian civil war with rumours of Assad rejecting a Qatari Turkish offer for a pipeline thru Syria into Turkey & beyond. First Russia checkmates France in Francophone Africa with covert Chinese help. With Russia busy in Ukraine , Armenia has desperately sought out the US to be its security guarantor. That seems to have partially come about courtesy this exercise though it could also be to assess the readiness of Armenian forces pending a final US decision in this respect.

If it's the former , that's another blow to Turkey which's trying its best to emerge as some sort of fulcrum to solve EU's energy crisis by becoming the focal point of all transit of such oil & gas pipelines. The I - ME - E trade corridor already bypasses Turkey . If Armenia doesn't capitulate , that's another blow to Turkey's efforts . This would also please Iran & Russia. Now all eyes should be on how will Iran Russia Turkey & possibly China tackle the I - ME - E corridor. This isn't over by a long shot though all the chess pieces are now gradually assuming their expected positions on the chess board.

I expect this region to flare up like South Asia & Europe around the time China makes its move to annex Taiwan .

 

[Blademaster]

This is not a good move by Armenia. It will simply invite more aggression from Azerbaijan at the encouraging of Russia and Turkey covertly. US or NATO cannot do anything about protecting Armenia's interests simply because Turkey will not allow NATO to do so.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

So they got 6 of 84 atags did they buy some ammunition with it?

 

[Tshering22]

Western (US+EU) have invested heavily in Armenian "civil societies". They want to wean then away from Russia, ultimate aim being removing Russia from that area (peacekeepers).

So, from what i understand, a section of Armenians conveniently try to blame Russia for everything at the behest of EU/US, to undermine them.

That tweet saying Russian has given permission should be read with this in context.

Well, Russia wasn't exactly being the protector when Azeris invaded Armenian territory in 2020. They repeatedly invoked Article 4 (like NATO Article 5) of the CSTO but not a single CSTO member sent forces to help Armenia. The closest thing to help that Armenia got was our offer to airlift weapons on priority, which got wasted as the Armenian leadership was fumbling around.

I'd say they have a valid reason to see Russia as an unreliable partner.

That being said, US ain't exactly an angel. Especially when considering how they did a Ukraine in neighboring Georgia in 2008, only to see Russian forces steamroll into Tblisi in three days.

 

[Tshering22]

Iran has no answer to smart Israeli weapons at the moment, but if they want they can certainly stop Azeri-Turki from doing misadventure in the region against Iranian interest.

Iranians don't need to match toe-to-toe to defend Armenia. It's safe to assume that Russia has "outsourced" their role for Armenia to Iran, us (indirectly

Just look at the devastating use of those Shahed-136 kamikaze drones in Ukraine. Ukraine is a massive country compared to Azerbaijan and yet its cities are under siege by a constant fear of them dropping suddenly anywhere.

Can you imagine what would happen if Iran stepped in with those and long-range rocket artillery supplied to Armenia? half of western Azerbaijan would be flattened; not to mention the source of all Azeri wealth aka their Caspian offshore oil rigs, which easily are within Shahed-136's strike range.

Even if a handful of them manage to strike the rigs, it would cause devastation to the oil prices and fracture the confidence of Azerbaijan to be a reliable supplier.

And we haven't even talked about our supplies yet. Given the Azeri and Turkish involvement, if a war breaks out, India will ensure that the arms supply is constant. Turkey's arms assistance to Pakistan has a history in all our wars and that too without any remorse.

As the Chinese say, "kill the chicken to scare away the monkeys", we need to use this proverb using any opportunity we get. If Armenians hammer Azerbaijan enough in the next war using our weapons, then:

1. It will suddenly create a huge demand for Indian weapons in other countries (Greece and Brazil have already shown plenty of interest)
2. The world will understand that messing around with us can have very negative consequences.

So they got 6 of 84 atags did they buy some ammunition with it?

Bulk of the deal is ammunition and Pinakas along with ATAGS. Basically, complete overhaul of Armenian artillery regiments.

This might sound very American, but I am hoping that our weapons can create a positive impact in ensuring Armenian sovereignty.

 

[assassin162]

Well, Russia wasn't exactly being the protector when Azeris invaded Armenian territory in 2020. They repeatedly invoked Article 4 (like NATO Article 5) of the CSTO but not a single CSTO member sent forces to help Armenia. The closest thing to help that Armenia got was our offer to airlift weapons on priority, which got wasted as the Armenian leadership was fumbling around.

I'd say they have a valid reason to see Russia as an unreliable partner.

That being said, US ain't exactly an angel. Especially when considering how they did a Ukraine in neighboring Georgia in 2008, only to see Russian forces steamroll into Tblisi in three days.

And why should Russia protect when you elect a clown propped by US to undermine Russia and to do what he has done for everyone to see. And they elected this fool again as soon as stalemate happened.

Only three nations care about Armenias existence one, Russia, two, Iran and three, India. And only for that corridor.

For US and Israel, their core interest is trying to create problems in Iran resulting in regime change and they are dling just that. And they will do that to the last Armenian.

 

[vishnugupt]

Abrahamic religions started their favourite work again.
The mindless Bloodshed.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

 

[arkos]

Abrahamic religions started their favourite work again.
The mindless Bloodshed.

Looks like Russians were informed about it. Lets see where this goes. I doubt Azeris will go for Syunik since neither Russians nor Iranians will tolerate it.