AKASH-NG ( next generation )

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

Akash-NG 3D renderings
http://mark20x.blogspot.com/2018/09/akash-ng-look-at-next-gen-missile.html

The missile has been reduced in size! The original Akash was big.

 

[Pandeyji]

The missile has been reduced in size! The original Akash was big.

#AkashScam

Modi must resign...............

 

[G10]

Akash NG Range is also less. But as time goes by there will be improvements but dont expect a good rate of progress with PSUs

The missile has been reduced in size! The original Akash was big.

 

[Raj Malhotra]

It seems that Akash NG is only slightly bigger than Barak 8. Hence its weight might be around 300-350kg compared to 720kg of Akash

 

[Kay]

Akash NG Range is also less. But as time goes by there will be improvements but dont expect a good rate of progress with PSUs

Akash NG range is supposed to be around 40 Km against current range of 25-30 Km of Akash.
Akash NG (40Km) and QRSAM (25-30Km) together can be a successful alternative to SPYDER and NASAMs.
For longer ranges we will have Barak-8 and Barak 8 ER for MRSAM (70-100Km) and LRSAM (100-150Km), 48N6E (250Km) and 40N6E (400Km).

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

It seems that Akash NG is only slightly bigger than Barak 8. Hence its weight might be around 300-350kg compared to 720kg of Akash

According to DRDO, Akash NG will use same missile as Akash except that it will have upgrades in internal design and powerful RF seeker. The range as a result will be enhanced. But weight is likely to be around 750kg itself

Akash NG range is supposed to be around 40 Km against current range of 25-30 Km of Akash.
Akash NG (40Km) and QRSAM (25-30Km) together can be a successful alternative to SPYDER and NASAMs.
For longer ranges we will have Barak-8 and Barak 8 ER for MRSAM (70-100Km) and LRSAM (100-150Km), 48N6E (250Km) and 40N6E (400Km).

SPYDER and NASAMS is similar to QRSAM. Spyder is made from derby AAM missile and NASAMS is from AIM120 missile. QRSAM is Astra AAM missile converted to SAM.

Barak-8 has 2 stage motor which lofts the missile in high ballistic trajectory and later the second stage fires when nearing the target. This is efficient in reaching long distance but give poor kill ratio for planes which can maneuver to avoid incoming missile. Barak-8 is fit for cruise missile which does not have radars to detect interceptors incoming. Akash SAM is RAMJET missile that will give guaranteed kill against even the best maneuvering aircraft when within 30km range

 

[Enquirer]

According to DRDO, Akash NG will use same missile as Akash except that it will have upgrades in internal design and powerful RF seeker. The range as a result will be enhanced. But weight is likely to be around 750kg itself

Akash NG looks a lot smaller than Akash Mk1; also it's very likely to have been constructed with better & lighter materials (Akash Mk1 was designed nearly 40 yrs ago!!). As such, Akash NG will DEFINITELY be lighter than Akash Mk1!

SPYDER and NASAMS is similar to QRSAM. Spyder is made from derby AAM missile and NASAMS is from AIM120 missile. QRSAM is Astra AAM missile converted to SAM.

SPYDER & NASAMS differ very little from Derby & AIM120 respectively. But QRSAM is drastic change from Astra!

Barak-8 has 2 stage motor which lofts the missile in high ballistic trajectory and later the second stage fires when nearing the target. This is efficient in reaching long distance but give poor kill ratio for planes which can maneuver to avoid incoming missile. Barak-8 is fit for cruise missile which does not have radars to detect interceptors incoming. Akash SAM is RAMJET missile that will give guaranteed kill against even the best maneuvering aircraft when within 30km range

Are you Nithyananda's disciple? Only he seems to give sermons that defy logic and common sense!

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

Akash NG looks a lot smaller than Akash Mk1; also it's very likely to have been constructed with better & lighter materials (Akash Mk1 was designed nearly 40 yrs ago!!). As such, Akash NG will DEFINITELY be lighter than Akash Mk1!

Here is source that says that akash NG is same missile as Akash but with improvement internally:
DRDO working on Akash 1S and Akash NG – Indian Defence Research Wing

 

[Enquirer]

Here is source that says that akash NG is same missile as Akash but with improvement internally:
DRDO working on Akash 1S and Akash NG – Indian Defence Research Wing

Those IDRW writers can't find the way back to their own homes!!!
How can one missile with a ram-jet engine and another without a ramjet engine be the same????
Yeah, the seeker might be the same - only because it's being retrofitted into Akash Mk1!

 

[NeXoft007]

Akash NG is completely different than its predecessor. It uses Dual Pulse Rocket Motor as opposed to Ramjet Engine of Akash Mk. 1/1S.

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

Those IDRW writers can't find the way back to their own homes!!!
How can one missile with a ram-jet engine and another without a ramjet engine be the same????
Yeah, the seeker might be the same - only because it's being retrofitted into Akash Mk1!

Is Akash NG without RAMJET? Can you give me a source?

Akash NG is completely different than its predecessor. It uses Dual Pulse Rocket Motor as opposed to Ramjet Engine of Akash Mk. 1/1S.

How did you get the news?

 

[NeXoft007]

Is Akash NG without RAMJET? Can you give me a source?

How did you get the news?

I have been following Akash-NG development since early last year. Based on the drawings of its first stage motor I have seen, it's in no way a Ramjet engine coz of no air intakes.

DRDO never officially revealed the type of engine it's using for Akash-NG. However, a guy from Twitter whom I trust a lot tweeted that Akash-NG uses Dual Pulse Rocket Motor which makes sense for the drawing designs I have seen.

Earlier this year, a partial image of Akash NG rendering also emerged which confirms it doesn't have Ramjet Engine.

Btw, it was me who posted the image of AKASH NG cannister. Based on its dimensions, I have calculated that Akash NG is taller by Barak 8 by around 30cm and probably fatter. So, my theory is Akash NG have slightly more range than Barak 8.

Here's the guy who first revealed it. And even Saurav Jha confirmed it

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

Here, I got another news article from IDRW saying Akash NG is dual pulse motor:
http://idrw.org/akash-ng-poster-shows-radical-new-design-different-from-previous-gen-akash-report/

Last month, L&T Defence at an event to mark the production of 1,000th Integrated Propulsion Airframe System hardware for Akash missile at L&T Defence’ facility at PMSC Coimbatore also showed first glimpses of Next Generation Akash which will likely enter developmental trials from 2019 onwards but with the radical new design than its predecessor Akash-1 and Akash-1S.

Posters of Akash-NG (Next Generation ) shows that Akash-NG comes minus four long tube ramjet inlet ducts which are usually mounted in the mid-body between wings in Akash-1 and Akash-1S as seen in the above picture suggesting Air-breathing Second stage Ramjet rocket propulsion system might have been dropped for Akash-NG.

Akash-1 Surface to Air System was developed under India’s integrated guided-missile development programme (IGMDP) in early 80’s and was heavily inspired from Soviet-era 2K12 “Kub” NATO reporting name: SA-6 “Gainful” Surface to Air missile system which also was a Two-Stage propulsion system which included solid fuel rocket motor for booster phase and when burned out used a ram-rocket propulsion for the sustainer phase in the second stage just like India’s Akash-1 but Akash had completely different and new modern internal layout and was far more advanced then SA-6 System.

Akash-NG will feature next generation dual pulse solid propulsion and indigenous Active radar seeker, laser proximity fuse and will have enhanced range of 35-50 km and will come in canisters mounted on a road-mobile platform providing the advantage of higher reliability, longer shelf life, less maintenance and enhanced mobility. Akash-NG Canister

Akash-NG will bridge the gap between 25km Akash-1 / Akash-1S and 70 km MR-SAM and will be slotted in between this two Air Defence system to provide two-layer air defense protection to various high valued military and civilian installations against aerial targets like fighter jets, cruise missiles, and air-to-surface missiles” as well as ballistic missiles

 

[NeXoft007]

DRDO has been caught many times before downplaying Missile capabilities. While they originally claimed Akash Mk. 1 to have a range of 25km and speed of Mach 2.5. A Defense Ministry Official openly claimed it has 30km range and engaging targets between Mach 2.8 to 3.5

In same way, they are downplaying the range of Akash NG, QR-SAM, new Prahaar, Pralay, PDV etc.

 

[Enquirer]

Is Akash NG without RAMJET? Can you give me a source?

@NeXoft007
My source is my eyes & common sense.
Ramjet/Scramjet engines need air in-take openings (like what you see on Akash Mk1 or Meteor). Akash NG clearly does not have the air-intake openings!

The use of dual-pulse rocket is highly likely, because it was DRDO that developed the dual-pulse rocket for Barak-8!!

 

[Raj Malhotra]

Officially QRSAM with range of 30km is replacement of Akash 1

Akash NG is supposed to have range of 50km. This range may be understated or Indian electronic s may be heavier or missile gives more emphasis on maneuver ability compared to Barak 8

AAD is supposed to be 100-150km SAM but getting hit by Israeli & Russian lobby.

 

[Enquirer]

DRDO has been caught many times before downplaying Missile capabilities. While they originally claimed Akash Mk. 1 to have a range of 25km and speed of Mach 2.5. A Defense Ministry Official openly claimed it has 30km range and engaging targets between Mach 2.8 to 3.5

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In same way, they are downplaying the range of Akash NG, QR-SAM, new Prahaar, Pralay, PDV etc.

The 'exact' missile range is somewhat like the combat radius of the aircraft - it was depends on the final mission.
A straight line interception will have longer range than if the missile needs to maneuver (due to aircraft's last minute maneuvers). As such most people in the know put the range in the range of 25-30kms.
In the case of Akash Mk1, the Rajendra radar was also a limiting factor; with the incorporation of the onboard seeker the missile could possibly have a slight boost in the range.

DRDO folks are actually in the habit of overstating the capabilities of the systems they develop - they're never too shy of excessive boasting!

 

[Enquirer]

Officially QRSAM with range of 30km is replacement of Akash 1

Nope!
QRSAM is specifically designed for army's strike corps - whose concern is to quickly react & hit ONLY low flying aircraft/helicopter/UAV. As such QRSAM has lower altitude ceiling as compared to Akash Mk1. Akash Mk1 is designed to hit fast flying aircraft at much higher altitudes!

 

[NeXoft007]

@Raj Malhotra
WTF are you talking about? QR-SAM isn't replacing Akash Mk. 1. QR-SAM is designed to complement SPyDer System. And should have a range of upto 35km. Although not officially revealed, I believe QR-SAM has single pulse rocket motor, same as the new Barak MRAD.

 

[NeXoft007]

@Enquirer
There's no incidence where DRDO overstated the missile capabilities. They are now instructed to minimize the reveal of even basic details of new missiles.