Agni V Missile

[A chauhan]

How can you " test through our supercomputers via simulations" without any data or data form a failed test?

You said in your post# 1474 that the tests achieved lower Yield, now saying that it was a failed test ! if it achieves even 10% of the desired yield then the data can be collected, and one of the purpose of 1998 test was to collect data for simulations.

 

[CCP]

You said in your post# 1474 that the tests achieved lower Yield, now saying that it was a failed test ! if it achieves even 10% of the desired yield then the data can be collected, and one of the purpose of 1998 test was to collect data for simulations.

There means it was a failed thermonuclear test, only the fission part(the trigger) worked.

 

[northernarunachalpradesh]

There means it is a failed thermonuclear test, only the fission part worked.

Ok brother let poor Indians have poor Nukes.whatz u r problem.

 

[Compersion]

1. yields
India announced it had conducted a test of a single device in 1974 near Pakistan's eastern border under the codename Operation Smiling Buddha. After 24 years, India publicly announced five further nuclear tests on May 11 and May 13, 1998. The official number of Indian nuclear tests is 6, conducted under two different code-names and at different times.

May 18, 1974: Operation Smiling Buddha (type: implosion, plutonium and underground). One underground test in a horizontal shaft around 107 m long under the long-constructed Indian Army Pokhran Test Range (IA-PTR) in the Thar Desert, eastern border of Pakistan. The Indian Meteorological Department and the Atomic Energy Commission announced the yield of the weapon at 12 kt. Other Western sources claimed the yield to be around 2–12 kt. However, the claim was dismissed by the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists and it was later reported to be 8 kt.[13]

May 11, 1998: Operation Shakti (type: implosion, 3 uranium and 2 plutonium devices, all underground). The Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) of India and the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) simultaneously conducted a test of three nuclear devices at the Indian Army Pokhran Test Range (IAPTR) on May 11, 1998. Two days later, on May 13, the AEC and DRDO carried out a test of two further nuclear devices, detonated simultaneously. During this operation, AEC India claimed to have tested a three-stage thermonuclear device (Teller-Ulam design), but the yield of the tests was significantly lower than that expected from thermonuclear devices. The yields remain questionable, at best, by Western and Indian scholars, estimated at 20kt-45kt.

List of nuclear weapons tests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know the reason why you bring this up. It is a juicy debate where intellectuals within India wanted a higher yield. Eitherway for your sake from above the yield was estimated at 20kt - 45kt. Is there a particular yield you are referring to for assessment. For example is it 10kt+ is it 45kt +. How do you define a thermonuclear yield test and thermonuclear weapon design. What is the level. Are you saying India has not crosses that threshold and capability.

Again is that discussion necessary. Also i wonder why India tolerates such discussion. Perhaps the world wants India to have more tests. Perhaps India wants such discrepancy. Is India prohibited from conducting more tests. Perhaps India needs to conduct more tests. Is PRC in a different nuclear club to India (in essence). which country had nuclear technology first. 6 tests to get 20kt - 45 kt yield. Is that significant.

Further the more pertinent issue is that India is a nuclear weapons state - large and powerful.

2. India does not build any submarine by today. You can not call a " submarine " without power a submarine.

Please compare PRC 1971 - 1981 to India 2014. The evolution of the India submarine programme is moving ahead of PRC 1971 - 1981 submarine programme. You might argue about operational use which is a good point you make but India is moving in that direction with a proper and systematic manner. You might also like to say 1971 - 1981 PRC had no aircraft carrier. India has today and will have IAC. But what does that matter right.

3."Also with reference to fire arms i am sure that India today is far more advanced compare to the PRC 1971 - 1981 military. " LOL

Can India produced any big calibre artillery guns today?
China mass produced 152mm guns before 1960, and type 56 (AK47) at 1956.

Look at the overall military that includes Army, Airforce, Navy and others. If you nitpick items it would not work in PRC favor because the capability of the India 2014 items is far far ahead of 1971 - 1981 weapons of PRC. Also about big calibre artillery guns. I believe India has these in its kitty. About manufacturing on its own are you saying India cannot do it. but again i request you to look at the overall and bigger picture.

4."When India does -> it would have taken ahead of PRC of 1971 - 1981 on every aspect."

When? What are you waiting for?

Agreed we are waiting and its not a good feeling. But it will happen.

China reacts cautiously to Agni-V test - The Hindu

When the missile was first test fired last year, it evoked mixed reactions among Chinese strategic analysts.

While one expert termed it as a "milestone" in propelling India into exclusive club of countries with intercontinental ballistic missiles another analyst said it reflected India's plans to become world power.

Again there are much more important assessments for India to consider and where India is far far ahead of 1971 - 1981 PRC for example:
- large and powerful;
- committed to democracy and human rights;
- responsible in how it develops and uses military power;
- a positive force for arms control and nonproliferation; and
- willing to contribute militarily to deter or stop violent conflict and save lives.

 

[sayareakd]

How can you " test through our supercomputers via simulations" without any data or data form a failed test?

have you even checked the video of test, if it was failed test then how come this happen.............

here is the pic of the tests

speaking of tests, here is the pic of nuclear tests made from borrowed chinese nukes (5 or 6 of them).

during test

after the test

amazing about these tests is that even when they tested 5-6 nukes on the mountain, because of chinese nukes, mountain was still standing tall.................

 

[CCP]

have you even checked the video of test, if it was failed test then how come this happen.............

have you even checked my previous post?

There means it was a failed thermonuclear test, only the fission part(the trigger) worked.

 

[Compersion]

have you even checked the video of test, if it was failed test then how come this happen.............

here is the pic of the tests

speaking of tests, here is the pic of nuclear tests made from borrowed chinese nukes (5 or 6 of them).

during test

after the test

amazing about these tests is that even when they tested 5-6 nukes on the mountain, because of chinese nukes, mountain was still standing tall.................

Some say PRC still needs to test. Hence them doing through their proxy the North Koreans. Dangerous behavior some say.

 

[Compersion]

India Is Developing Its First “Real” ICBM | The Diplomat

India is beginning to develop a new, longer range nuclear-capable intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) local media reported on Wednesday, citing unnamed sources.

A scientist with the Defense Research and Development Organization, India's military technology agency, told The New Indian Express that DRDO is secretly developing a missile with an initial range of 6,000 km (3,728 miles). Currently, India's longest range ballistic missile is the Agni-V, which has a range of about 5,000 km.

The same source said that the missile that is under development as the Agni-VI, but which will ultimately be called Surya, could eventually be extended to have a range of 10,000 km (6,213 miles).

Earlier this week DRDO chief Avinash Chander had said that India was capable of developing a missile with a range of 10,000 km within two and a half years if necessary. He also suggested that Delhi was not interested in utilizing this capability.

"Range is the least problematic area," Chander said, according to The Times of India. "We have the full capability to go to any range"¦it's just a question of additional propellant and larger motors. But, as of now, we don't see the need for a higher range."

The reports comes just days after DRDO successfully tested the Agni-V for the second time. The first test was back in April of last year. The Agni-V allows India to hold many of China's largest cities under threat from its nuclear arsenal for the first time. As such, it is often called the "China killer" by India's media.

Although the Indian media often refers to the Agni-V as an ICBM, its range of 5,000 km is slightly less than the international standard for an ICBM, which is 5,500 km. Thus, Surya will technically be India's first ICBM.

As previously reported, India has been working on equipping the Agni-V with multiple independent re-entry vehicles (MIRV) that would give it the ability to carry multiple nuclear warheads on a single missile. The scientist who spoke with The New Indian Express on Wednesday said that Surya would be made slightly heavier in order to carry even more nuclear warheads.

"While Agni-V can carry up to three nuclear warheads, the next missile in the series can carry up to 10 nuclear warheads, capable of hitting multiple targets," the DRDO scientist said, according to The New Indian Express.

The same report suggested that the Surya will be ready for testing within three years.

This indicates that development of the missile may be encountering difficulties. The first reports of the Agni-VI's existence from earlier this year suggested that development would take just two years. Those initial reports also said that the Agni-VI's initial strike range would be between 8,000 and 10,000 km, instead of the 6,000 km reported on Wednesday.

 

[bose]

You are quoting a 16 years old news, we can further test through our supercomputers via simulations, DRDO is developing MIRV/MaRVs and it proves that the yield problem is no more.

This guy @CCP is a paid troller, he gets paid 25 cents for each posts...

He will pick and choose from Wikipidia to quote his bullshit...

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

Does this mean that the chinese nukes given to pakistan are duds?

 

[sayareakd]

Does this mean that the chinese nukes given to pakistan are duds?

mountain is still standing tall that too after 5-6 nukes, Chinese quality is world famous.

 

[Kyubi]

Let's compare India (today) with China at 1971:

China

1.First hydrogen bomb test: "Test No. 6" - June 17, 1967
The yield was 3.3 megatons.dropped by H-6 bomber.
Test No. 6 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2.The decision to develop the DF-4 was made in 1965.
The range of the Dong Feng 4, which is equipped with a 2,190 kg nuclear warhead with 3.3 Mt yield, with a nominal range of 5,500 km.
DF-4 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


3. DF3 + Thermonuclear warhead tests yield 3mt and 3.4mt at 1969
Database of nuclear tests, China-PRC

4.DF-5 1971
The Dongfeng 5[Wǔ] (Chinese: 東風-5, literally "Eurus 5") or DF-5 is a 3 stage Chinese ICBM. It has a length of 32.6 m and a diameter of 3.35 m. It weighs in at 183,000 kilograms and it has an estimated range of 12,000 to 15,000 kilometers.

DF-5 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The following PDF is a report on chinese allegedly engaging/aiding in proliferation of WMD's tech and Nuclear tech.
China and Proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction
[PDF]http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/RL31555.pdf[/PDF]

 

[northernarunachalpradesh]

Let's compare India (today) with China at 1971:

China

1.First hydrogen bomb test: "Test No. 6" - June 17, 1967
The yield was 3.3 megatons.dropped by H-6 bomber.
Test No. 6 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(PLA) China Chinese Nuclear bomb testing 1967 - YouTube

2.The decision to develop the DF-4 was made in 1965.
The range of the Dong Feng 4, which is equipped with a 2,190 kg nuclear warhead with 3.3 Mt yield, with a nominal range of 5,500 km.
DF-4 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


3. DF3 + Thermonuclear warhead tests yield 3mt and 3.4mt at 1969
Database of nuclear tests, China-PRC

4.DF-5 1971
The Dongfeng 5[Wǔ] (Chinese: 東風-5, literally "Eurus 5") or DF-5 is a 3 stage Chinese ICBM. It has a length of 32.6 m and a diameter of 3.35 m. It weighs in at 183,000 kilograms and it has an estimated range of 12,000 to 15,000 kilometers.

DF-5 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Can China help Andhra people to attain Indipendence from fuking India?Will be greatful to you CCp bhai.

 

[sasi]

Deleted out.

 

[sayareakd]

Wht chini are trashing this thread.

 

[A chauhan]

Megaton warheads are useless a pure wastage of nuclear power that too with world climate affecting radiation.

 

[sayareakd]

Megaton warheads are useless a pure wastage of nuclear power that too with world climate affecting radiation.

yeah true, we can easily target their cell phone using sub kiloton nuke.

 

[Compersion]

Megaton warheads are useless a pure wastage of nuclear power that too with world climate affecting radiation.

It's symbolic and something the PRC can boast about that india has not matched explicitly. A bit like we were first with nuclear technology and setup in Asia before PRC.

 

[Bheeshma]

Chinese missiles have a cep of a few 10's of Km's. No wonder they need megaton nukes.

 

[Compersion]

The discomfiture and also the awkwardness that we face compared to other states because we do not have explicit ICBM capability reminds me of the afternoon of 11 May 1998 we all had the pleasure of being part of. Before that we had the nuclear discomfiture and also the awkwardness when compared to other states.

For people to point out the ICBM discomfiture and also make fun of the awkwardness does not feel good but sure enough we have to believe and look ahead.