Agni V Missile

[Vinod2070]

Agree. Can you post it for A3 Vs. other missiles?

I saw some Chinese claims that A3 is much heavier than their 70s era ICBMs!

 

[sayareakd]

Agree. Can you post it for A3 Vs. other missiles?

I saw some Chinese claims that A3 is much heavier than their 70s era ICBMs!

so what, we dont need to carry it on our shoulders, we have got trucks and rail wagons for that. All missiles are meant for delivery of warheads to intended target.

 

[Vinod2070]

Mate, that would mean that our missiles have a lot of scope for improvement!

Large weight would also possibly mean more per unit cost.

 

[Yusuf]

we are using new age composites to make the missiles lighter than ever before. Looks like the Chinese know more about our missiles than the DRDO itself!!

 

[LETHALFORCE]

we are using new age composites to make the missiles lighter than ever before. Looks like the Chinese know more about our missiles than the DRDO itself!!

drdo has technology to speed up missiles even USA is interested in this, as far as chinese are concerned let them be comfortable believeing what they want then accept the reality when it arrives.

http://mightyindiapower.blogspot.com/2009/11/iisc-working-towards-recoverable.html


The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) on Friday admitted that they were developing this technology, but work was still at its preliminary stage. IISc is working on some parts of this intercontinental ballistic missile which will be made of materials like composites and Titanium. This will prevent it from being detected by enemy radars and observation systems. It is this innovation which has attracted the interest of several US aviation sector majors.

As reported by ET earlier, objects such as missiles fly at hypersonic velocities which are more than five times the speed of sound and encounter atmospheric drag because of friction. The chromium coating works by building temporary heat and pushing the stagnating gas away to create an easier path.
The scientist also said that various Indian defence agencies and the US Airforce have shown interest in this special coating technology which evaporates once the object has re-entered the atmosphere and additional energy is not required to reduce drag.

 

[sayareakd]

here is chines missile specifications

Official name: DongFeng 3 (DF-3)
NATO reporting name: CSS-2
Contractor: N/A
Service status: In service
Configuration: Single-stage, liquid propellant
Deployment: Launch pad + road mobile
Propellant: Unsymmetrical Dimethylhydrazine/Nitrogen Tetroxide mix [UDMH/N2H4]
Length: 21.2m
Diameter: 2.25m
Launch weight: 64,000kg
Range: 2,500km (DF-3); 2,800km (DF-3A)
Re-entry vehicle mass: 2,150kg
Guidance: Inertial
CEP: 2,000~3,000m (DF-3); 1,000m (DF-3A)
Launch preparation time: 120~180 min

and here is Agni missile from India specifications

Specifications
Weight 12,000 kg (Agni-I)
16,000 kg (Agni-II)
55,000 kg (Agni-III)[2]
Length 15 m (Agni-I)
20 m (Agni-II)

 

[Vinod2070]

Thx. Their DF-21 seems to weigh less than 15 tonnes. It appears that one of the variants has a range of 3000 KM.

 

[Yusuf]

DF 21 will eventually be retired and only the 31s are going to remain. I think India should be working on the next generation of missiles after Agni. The Shaurya as a bolt from the blue. I am sure there are many other missiles under development after the experience gained from the Agni series. With the DRDO saying that the IGM program over, they just want to keep things under wraps.

 

[sayareakd]

Thx. Their DF-21 seems to weigh less than 15 tonnes. It appears that one of the variants has a range of 3000 KM.

Official name: DongFeng 21 (DF-21)
NATO reporting name: CSS-5
Contractor: CASIC 4th Academy
Service status: In service
Configuration: Two-stage, solid propellant
Deployment: Road mobile, 6X6 tractor truck + six-wheel trailer; or silo
Length: 10.7m
Diameter: 1.4m
Launch weight: 14,700kg
Range: 1,770km
Re-entry vehicle mass: 600kg
Warhead: One single 500kT yield, or conventional
Guidance: Inertial + terminal radar guidance
Accuracy: CEP 300~400m

 

[Vinod2070]

Official name: DongFeng 21 (DF-21)
NATO reporting name: CSS-5
Contractor: CASIC 4th Academy
Service status: In service
Configuration: Two-stage, solid propellant
Deployment: Road mobile, 6X6 tractor truck + six-wheel trailer; or silo
Length: 10.7m
Diameter: 1.4m
Launch weight: 14,700kg
Range: 1,770km
Re-entry vehicle mass: 600kg
Warhead: One single 500kT yield, or conventional
Guidance: Inertial + terminal radar guidance
Accuracy: CEP 300~400m

DF-21/CSS-5 Mod 1
DF-21A and transporter erector launcher vehicle at the Beijing Military Museum. Type MRBM/IRBM Place of origin China Service history In service 1991 Used by Second Artillery Corps Production history Manufacturer possibly the 4th Academy? Unit cost ? Specifications Weight >14,700 kilograms (32,000 lb) Length 10.7 metres (35 ft) Diameter 1.4 metres (4.6 ft) Warhead 1 Nuclear, 200-300 KT[4] Engine Solid fueled
Wingspan ? Operational
range 2,150 kilometres (1,340 mi) (DF-21)[2]
2,500 kilometres (1,600 mi) (DF-21A)
3,000 kilometres (1,900 mi) (DF-21 ASBM)
1,700 kilometres (1,100 mi) (DF-21C)[3] Flight altitude ? Speed Mach 10[1] Guidance
system Inertial Launch
platform Mobile launcher or silo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-21

 

[Vinod2070]

DF 21 will eventually be retired and only the 31s are going to remain. I think India should be working on the next generation of missiles after Agni. The Shaurya as a bolt from the blue. I am sure there are many other missiles under development after the experience gained from the Agni series. With the DRDO saying that the IGM program over, they just want to keep things under wraps.

I agree with this viewpoint. Our IGMDP was the first attempt and has given us strategic capabilities.

Now is the time to take it to the next level, at par with the best. No harm in recognizing that we have some way to go from where we are.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

DF 21 will eventually be retired and only the 31s are going to remain. I think India should be working on the next generation of missiles after Agni. The Shaurya as a bolt from the blue. I am sure there are many other missiles under development after the experience gained from the Agni series. With the DRDO saying that the IGM program over, they just want to keep things under wraps.

2 clues to better missiles in the works underwraps:
1)the new space launch vehicles which can carry a heavier payload into space
2)scramjet technology incorporated into Shauriya totally indigenously ,and soon in Brahmos 2 jointly

 

[Yusuf]

Ok. so whats the point? Yes India has a long way to go in its missile development. But it is getting there. India has come a long way from its Agni 1 to Agni 3 with a quantum jump in technology. Shaurya is an example of that. This is just the beginning of the newer gen missiles that will be part of Indian arsenal.

 

[Yusuf]

What would be interesting to see is how Indias space launch vehicles have progressed. Anyone with info quickly on hand?

 

[sayareakd]

do you have any other credible link to show the range and weight of DongFeng 21A.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

What would be interesting to see is how Indias space launch vehicles have progressed. Anyone with info quickly on hand?

we have gone from less than 1,000kg in LEO intitially to currently about 3,200km in LEO, tripling the payload in last 10-15 years.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

do you have any other credible link to show the range and weight of DongFeng 21A.

different variants range from 1,700-3,000km, weight is 15,000kg and a warhead of 300kt

 

[bigtiger]

DF-3 was a liquid fuel missile, and was first fired in 1967. That explains why it's so heavy.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/china/theater/df-3a.htm

here is chines missile specifications

Official name: DongFeng 3 (DF-3)
NATO reporting name: CSS-2
Contractor: N/A
Service status: In service
Configuration: Single-stage, liquid propellant
Deployment: Launch pad + road mobile
Propellant: Unsymmetrical Dimethylhydrazine/Nitrogen Tetroxide mix [UDMH/N2H4]
Length: 21.2m
Diameter: 2.25m
Launch weight: 64,000kg
Range: 2,500km (DF-3); 2,800km (DF-3A)
Re-entry vehicle mass: 2,150kg
Guidance: Inertial
CEP: 2,000~3,000m (DF-3); 1,000m (DF-3A)
Launch preparation time: 120~180 min

and here is Agni missile from India specifications

Specifications
Weight 12,000 kg (Agni-I)
16,000 kg (Agni-II)
55,000 kg (Agni-III)[2]
Length 15 m (Agni-I)
20 m (Agni-II)

 

[sayareakd]

thanks for the info bigtiger.

 

[Sridhar]

EXCLUSIVE: First Artist's Impressions Of The Agni-V

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/03/exclusive-impressions-of-agni-v.html