Why do British people have such a pathetic attitude ?

[Ray]

OK time to cool off!

Now don't howl why the thread is closed.

Anyone would know, why!

 

[nrj]

You guys are warned for the 3rd time. Stop it or face the action.

 

[Ray]

It might mean Adieu and not Au revoir!

 

[Singh]

Good question. Recently I saw a lot of posts at different places following the Rafale-cum-Peanut rancour in the British press.

Was it the comment section or the actual news articles ? If it was the comments then no comments

UK media is polarized, and again they have good reason to attack their governments economic follies and they operate in a manner very much dissimilar to ours.

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I agree with the sentiment but the comments on that article are relatively moderate compared to what we have come to expect from the Britishers of late.

I think they really miss the old times(about which most of those guys(and us) have only read about) and perhaps they've been fed with the belief that the British Empire was a benevolent entity and the colonies are indebted to them for civilizing them.

Someone really needs to tell them what disgusting thieves their ancestors were and how they were no better than the Nazis these guys take the credit of having stopped from taking over the world.

Without bringing in the nastiness.

British were at one time the major powerhouse of the world, and people had a lot of pride in being British. And at the time all the top marquees were British, and buying British meant buying quality.

Look at what the British have done in India, even after 60 years we haven't been able to match them. (indian railways, law, civil services, buildings etc)

This decline of Brit prowess is bound to have an emotional reaction.

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Some of the comments from Britons in that blog are actually nice. Some are bad.

they still are far more PC than we can ever hope to be.

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British are nobodies today, all they have is their jingoism to stick on to. After all if you take that off what does he have? A small island north of nowhere and it freezes over in winter and it rains rest of the time. It must be cold and depressing without comforting thoughts.

I quite like the Great Britain. Its like going to a foreign ,exotic country without having to learn a new language. Everyone speaks Punjabi.

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You are equating people's internet comments to attitudes or the state of business with a country? If you want to go by that standard then the Indian commentator is also taking a piss,as the Brits say, in that link.

n'est ce pas l'internet ? trolls are gonna troll.

I agree with you here.

STHU. If you like to worship white skin thats because you have poor self esteem. That is not our problem you feel being brown or black is a negative thing, so STHU with your Uncle Tom attitude.

The man made absolute sense. I don't know why you had to go all personal ?


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British Goras still thinks they still owned 80% of the world.

The arrow has already left their bow, the sooner they realised better for them...

Nostalgia is not bad.

The other day, didn't you equate Maharaja Ranjit Singhs victories as your own and claimed we ruled over "Pakis" ?

Hypocrisy ?

 

[Ray]

I quite like the Great Britain. Its like going to a foreign ,exotic country without having to learn a new language. Everyone speaks Punjabi.

Too much!

What subtle humour!

 

[Ray]

I leave it to Singh and the other Mods who are in the know of Climate Control and so when they feel things have cooled off, I am sure they will open the thread!

 

[Ray]

 

[Ray]

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[Singh]

Thread Re-opened.

 

[Bangalorean]

Look at what the British have done in India, even after 60 years we haven't been able to match them. (indian railways, law, civil services, buildings etc)

Strongly disagree.

This is horrible self flagellation, completely unnecessary and false. It feeds the propaganda that "natives" are savages who needed the benevolence of the Brits for their sustenance.

Those who make this argument talk about railways - now, let us look a little beyond that, shall we?

What have we not been able to "match" in 60 years? The Mumbai skyline with dozens of skyscrapers? The metro rapid transit system in Indian cities like Delhi, Bangalore, Calcutta and soon-to-be Mumbai, Chennai, Pune, Jaipur? The nuclear weapons and the space program? The golden quadrilateral and other highways in India? The elevated expressways in various cities? The ring roads, the automobile boom? The green revolution? Self sufficiency in food production?

Heck, people don't die in the millions in famines anymore in India!!!!

I can go on and on. All this talk about "we not having matched the Brits in 60 years" is typical "Churchillian" talk - let us desist from it, because it is completely false. :bs:

 

[trackwhack]

How stupid must Ford feel. The twaddled around with JLR for 6 years losing money nearly every quarter. Then sold it for 2.3 billion. JLR just made nearly a billion in profit in one quarter. Have to say the guys at Tata nailed this one. How stupid must Ford feel again?

 

[JayATL]

Provide the link how hard can that be ...?

I said I had to research it. I don't keep everything on hand when I read articles. I had to go through several articles on idrw.org before I came across which one specifically I read it within...

here---Know this. I don't put out false claims.

Unsurprisingly, perhaps. With the exception of Russia, no other country has had as lucrative a trade with India when it comes to arms as Britain has.

Between 1950 and 2010, India has imported $15.3 billion worth of arms from Britain, against $4 billion from France and $1.8 billion from Germany, according to data from the Swedish International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI).

Rafale win leaves UK smarting | idrw.org

 

[JayATL]

Strongly disagree.

This is horrible self flagellation, completely unnecessary and false. It feeds the propaganda that "natives" are savages who needed the benevolence of the Brits for their sustenance.

Those who make this argument talk about railways - now, let us look a little beyond that, shall we?

What have we not been able to "match" in 60 years? The Mumbai skyline with dozens of skyscrapers? The metro rapid transit system in Indian cities like Delhi, Bangalore, Calcutta and soon-to-be Mumbai, Chennai, Pune, Jaipur? The nuclear weapons and the space program? The golden quadrilateral and other highways in India? The elevated expressways in various cities? The ring roads, the automobile boom? The green revolution? Self sufficiency in food production?

Heck, people don't die in the millions in famines anymore in India!!!!

I can go on and on. All this talk about "we not having matched the Brits in 60 years" is typical "Churchillian" talk - let us desist from it, because it is completely false. :bs:

I don't disagree with the premise of your post but if you are looking at it objectively and on economic terms . you have UK = developed country and India = developing. The 'numbers' are pretty clear setting aside nationalism, pride and emotion. India is ways away from being at par with UK standard. Your standard of living is much lower, your infrastructure is lower, your civilian services are lower, your social safety networks are much lower, your citizenry live expectancy is much lower....

 

[Dovah]

Look at what the British have done in India, even after 60 years we haven't been able to match them. (indian railways, law, civil services, buildings etc)

Indian railways
By 1947, the total expanse of Railways was 55000 km now its 114,000. To say we haven't been able to match them is a fallacy. Also, the whole purpose of the Railway Network was to drain resources from India and transport it to the ports from where it was shipped to England. Furthermore, it was our resources that were used to build the railway network, hardly something to be grateful for.

law
??
If you're referring to the constitution of India, then it draws more form the US constitution than the British one apart from a Parliamentary form of government.

buildings
Nothing we couldn't have achieved on our own. The Mughals themselves were no slouches when it came to architecture, we'd have gotten there sooner or later.

British were at one time the major powerhouse of the world, and people had a lot of pride in being British. And at the time all the top marquees were British, and buying British meant buying quality.

But they're not now. They have no right to condescend to us.

 

[Bangalorean]

I don't disagree with the premise of your post but if you are looking at it objectively and on economic terms . you have UK = developed country and India = developing. The 'numbers' are pretty clear setting aside nationalism, pride and emotion. India is way away from being at par with UK standard.

Sure, and I don't think anyone will claim otherwise. There is no disputing the fact that UK = developed and India = developing.

However, I do not agree that the Brit rule was somehow "beneficial" or "benevolent" towards India.

Regarding India's slow pace of development: for the decades of the 50s and 60s, the after-effects of British colonialism can be held responsible.
For the decades of 70s and 80s, flawed economic policies by India, quasi-socialist policies, can be held responsible.

India has seen real development only in the last decade or two, and the real fun starts now.

 

[Dovah]

Regarding India's slow pace of development: for the decades of the 50s and 60s, the after-effects of British colonialism can be held responsible.

Quoted for truth.

 

[trackwhack]

I don't disagree with the premise of your post but if you are looking at it objectively and on economic terms . you have UK = developed country and India = developing. The 'numbers' are pretty clear setting aside nationalism, pride and emotion. India is ways away from being at par with UK standard. Your standard of living is much lower, your infrastructure is lower, your civilian services are lower, your social safety networks are much lower, your citizenry live expectancy is much lower....

hmm ... ok. But... and this is a big one.

UK GDP = 2.5 trillion Dollars. UK Debt = 510% GDP = 12.75 trillion Dollars. UK population = 63 million people. UK national debt per person = USD 200,000.

If I had 200,000 USD, as an Indian my standard of living would match or exceed the average Brit. Convoluted comparison, I know. But just to put their national debt in perspective or rather to try and understand what it is that drives their 'Standard of Living'

Note, this is all debt - public, corporate, financial, personal, household - everything put together.

 

[pmaitra]

Ok, so when it comes to railways, this is what you get to see of British contribution.

For exploitation of the natural wealth of India, the British built Bengal Nagpur Railway and used the heaviest of all Indian Locomotives, the Bayer-Garratt to pull mineral trains from all over the Chhota-Nagpur Plateau to Calcutta, to be shipped to England.

For passenger service, there were routes with little economic or military value. This is what the British built.

They did a lot of development, but their intentions were to exploit than to give.

 

[pmaitra]

Project Unigauge

What we don't quite seem because the number of kilometers of tracks added to the existing IR Network is very small.

India currently has significant lengths of four different gauges: the 1,676mm broad gauge which is wider than the 1,435mm standard gauge which accounts for the majority of the world's railway track miles, but is not used in India; the 1,000mm metre gauge; and two narrow gauges 762 mm (2 ft 6 in) and 610 mm (2 ft) .

Source: Project Unigauge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As a result of Project Unigauge, the share of broad gauge in the total route-kilometre has been steadily rising, increasing from 47% (25,258 route-km) in 1951 to 85% (more than 54,600 route-km) in 2011 whereas the share of metre gauge has declined from 45% (24,185 route-km) to less than 12% (7,500 route-km) in the same period and the share of narrow gauges has decreased from 8% to 3% (less than 2,400 route-km) in 2011.

Source: Project Unigauge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No mean feat!

 

[JayATL]

How stupid must Ford feel. The twaddled around with JLR for 6 years losing money nearly every quarter. Then sold it for 2.3 billion. JLR just made nearly a billion in profit in one quarter. Have to say the guys at Tata nailed this one. How stupid must Ford feel again?

It's one thing to be proud about TATA. and yes , no question it is a fantastic success story. But baffling how you compare Ford to Tata.

Ford is what in the top 3 car sellers in the world. Not everything every company touches turns to gold. Shows a naive understanding of business and the world to somehow claim superiority because a product did better under a different organisation.

Ford had 6.6. billion in just profit made last year. and Revenues 128,954.0( millions). The are ranked 25th Largest company in the WORLD! Tata is not even in the top 500 worldwide.

. Fortune Global 500 2011: The World's Biggest Companies - Ford Motor - F