AUSTERLITZ
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From what i see -
1.Undergunned ships.
Kolkata class with just 32 barak despite more space.Same with vishakapatnam.Just compare with chinese and american destroyers.Same with kamorta class - frigate size with poor armament.Now they are also arming P17A with 32 baraks.They should have 48 baraks at least if not 64 or something with quadpacked ability.How come russia puts 16 oniks/yakhont on 4500 tonne gorshkov frigate but we can't put more than 8 brahmos on shivalik at 6200 tonnes.Wtf.
2.Lack of Minesweepers.
Cancelled the tender.Now we are facing potential enemy submarines with no real minesweeper force.A sad state.
3.Lack of Helicopters.
Tender after failed tender.Helos are being rotated and cannibalized,whats the point of building ships with 2 helo spots if u don't even have 1/3rd available strength.At least our ships are now getting ATLAS elektronik active towed array sonar,otherwise our ASW would have been totally toothless.
4.Lack of modern torpedoes.
I don't trust russian torpedoes that much.Scorpenes and 209s are doing with older torpedo.No black shark or seahake still due to stupid procurement mess.Varunastra and mk54 are good news but only for ships and aircraft.
5.Obsession with RBU-6000.
Why put 2 of these in every big ship?IN thinking seems totally obsolete.Russians themselves have moved on to paket.Chinese and americans use much longer ranged vls weapons like ASROC.Its only good for short range torpedo defense,if anyone thinks they can kill subs with 5km rocket launcher they are delusional.Should get a paket or asroc type system soon.
6.Shtil-1 arm launcher.
As far as I see the talwar class ships are utterly useless against saturation attacks,the shtil-1s are launched via arm launcher which takes 4-6 seconds to reload and fire after each shot.Navy still doesn't replace them with VLS.Replace these and the others on the delhi class ASAP.
7.Bigger range SAMs needed -
90 km barak-8 is a great sam for taking out cruise missiles and PGMs but i doubt how effective that range is against aircraft.We need to increase range to atleast 150 km or procure something equal to US long range SM series,russian navalized s-400 or chinese equivalents.This may not be a immediate priority but will become one as china adds more carriers.
Am i wrong on any of these points?
1.Undergunned ships.
Kolkata class with just 32 barak despite more space.Same with vishakapatnam.Just compare with chinese and american destroyers.Same with kamorta class - frigate size with poor armament.Now they are also arming P17A with 32 baraks.They should have 48 baraks at least if not 64 or something with quadpacked ability.How come russia puts 16 oniks/yakhont on 4500 tonne gorshkov frigate but we can't put more than 8 brahmos on shivalik at 6200 tonnes.Wtf.
2.Lack of Minesweepers.
Cancelled the tender.Now we are facing potential enemy submarines with no real minesweeper force.A sad state.
3.Lack of Helicopters.
Tender after failed tender.Helos are being rotated and cannibalized,whats the point of building ships with 2 helo spots if u don't even have 1/3rd available strength.At least our ships are now getting ATLAS elektronik active towed array sonar,otherwise our ASW would have been totally toothless.
4.Lack of modern torpedoes.
I don't trust russian torpedoes that much.Scorpenes and 209s are doing with older torpedo.No black shark or seahake still due to stupid procurement mess.Varunastra and mk54 are good news but only for ships and aircraft.
5.Obsession with RBU-6000.
Why put 2 of these in every big ship?IN thinking seems totally obsolete.Russians themselves have moved on to paket.Chinese and americans use much longer ranged vls weapons like ASROC.Its only good for short range torpedo defense,if anyone thinks they can kill subs with 5km rocket launcher they are delusional.Should get a paket or asroc type system soon.
6.Shtil-1 arm launcher.
As far as I see the talwar class ships are utterly useless against saturation attacks,the shtil-1s are launched via arm launcher which takes 4-6 seconds to reload and fire after each shot.Navy still doesn't replace them with VLS.Replace these and the others on the delhi class ASAP.
7.Bigger range SAMs needed -
90 km barak-8 is a great sam for taking out cruise missiles and PGMs but i doubt how effective that range is against aircraft.We need to increase range to atleast 150 km or procure something equal to US long range SM series,russian navalized s-400 or chinese equivalents.This may not be a immediate priority but will become one as china adds more carriers.
Am i wrong on any of these points?