United States and India signed Naval fuel agreement

[sasum]

They DID NOT assist us when we needed Intel on Kargil..when we was dealing with the pak snake.
What about the Cyclone data off the cost of AP?

See..US does things if it has some Operational Benefit for them..else dont expect US to do anything..They are always scheming and hoping for the fail of democracy in India.

Look at this discussion..which is more of the DOUBLE STANDARDS of US when it comes to India...its the most recent stunt by the US Govt
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...ational-religious-freedom.75830/#post-1141518

We cant expect the US Mil. to work in favor of India and the US politicos against India at the same time..we gotta believe that both works overtime to squeeze everything out of India at any given point of time...or for their benefit.

With this fuel sharing deal..we gave US the much needed support they required to stay afloat in the seas...and yes.its good money. This was something the US needed to stay afloat in the seas.

File Photo of USS Boxer LHD travels at an offshore location in Goa in this October 29, 2006 [Not attached]

by Ajay Banerjee

Three days after a top Admiral from the US invited India to join a four-nation grouping to patrol areas like the South China Sea, New Delhi has outrightly rejected the idea saying it has so far not considered it.

Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar, on being asked about the statement by US Pacific Command Admiral Harry Harris, said: “Our viewpoint will come, if at all we consider it. As of now, India has never taken part in any joint patrol; the question of joint patrol does not arise.”

“If we take any decision, the Ministry of Defence will brief you very clearly,” Parrikar said.

Parrikar’s opinion is line with New Delhi existing policy of keeping away from any such grouping that may anger China which is locked in a territorial dispute with six other nations.

On March 2, Admiral Harris invited India to join in a four-nation grouping to jointly patrol seas and air space over contested waters.

Admiral Harris, speaking at a function in New Delhi said: “India, Japan, Australia, the United States and so many other like-minded nations can aspire to patrol together anywhere international law allows. The idea of safeguarding freedom of access to international waters and airspace is not something new for us to ponder.”

He had cited the words of the US Ambassador to India Richard Verma to buttress his views: “I echo Ambassador Verma’s vision that, in the not too distant future, American and Indian Navy vessels steaming together will become a common and welcome sight throughout Indo-Asia-Pacific waters, as we work together to maintain freedom of the seas for all nations”.

Considering the $5.3 trillion dollars in trade that traverses each year from the Indian Ocean and through the South China Sea, we all have a vested interest in ensuring our region remain secure, stable, and prosperous.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

There is a huge difference between peacetime and wartime.

I shall be there and I shall ask you when India faces war.

Sir, I ask you why should any country help is in our war???

 

[Dark Sorrow]

They DID NOT assist us when we needed Intel on Kargil..when we was dealing with the pak snake.
What about the Cyclone data off the cost of AP?

See..US does things if it has some Operational Benefit for them..else dont expect US to do anything..They are always scheming and hoping for the fail of democracy in India.

Look at this discussion..which is more of the DOUBLE STANDARDS of US when it comes to India...its the most recent stunt by the US Govt
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...ational-religious-freedom.75830/#post-1141518

We cant expect the US Mil. to work in favor of India and the US politicos against India at the same time..we gotta believe that both works overtime to squeeze everything out of India at any given point of time...or for their benefit.

With this fuel sharing deal..we gave US the much needed support they required to stay afloat in the seas...and yes.its good money. This was something the US needed to stay afloat in the seas.

US is looking for its interest and we should look at ours. Let US, Russians and PRC fight each other why should we get invoked unless our interest are going to be fulfilled.

 

[sorcerer]

US is looking for its interest and we should look at ours. Let US, Russians and PRC fight each other why should we get invoked unless our interest are going to be fulfilled.

Absolutely.
If India is looked up by U,S as a point in their Influence to the EAST then India will be in the picture of US scheme of things.
India should take what it can by giving out the least of the benefit for US in all or any deal.

 

[garg_bharat]

Sir, I ask you why should any country help is in our war???

You ask yourself, you are buying American arms at high cost. Will these weapons be supported in wartime? Will you have spares and replacements? Will your industry be able to service these?

 

[garg_bharat]

US is looking for its interest and we should look at ours. Let US, Russians and PRC fight each other why should we get invoked unless our interest are going to be fulfilled.

Your views are simplistic. Real world does not work like that.

There is no simple trade relationship in military field. This is the reason military alliances exist.

 

[aliyah]

Never expect US to support India when it is needed the most.

we dont want there support. we just want US and China be neutral . we are self capable of dealing with pokis.

 

[sob]

A person needs strength of conviction and courage to kill an enemy. Just holding a gun and able to fire does not suffice.

India has faced four wars since independence in which most important was 1971. The ally at that time who gave wholehearted support was Russia, not USA.

Your nuclear sub is up and running due to Russia, otherwise you have no survivable deterrent.

There are indisputable facts as to who is a friend, and who sends a Carrier to intimidate.

If you think USA has changed, dream on.

Remember 1962 war. Brother was placed before friend and ally.

 

[sob]

we dont want there support. we just want US and China be neutral . we are self capable of dealing with pokis.

See we are focussed on handling a country as small as Pakistan and we talk of competing with China.

 

[sob]

This agreement will benefit only US Navy in entrenching it's presence in IOR. Indian Navy will never go beyond gulf of Aden. Sell out go US imperialist design.

Our immediate interests lie from the Cape of Hope to the Malacca Strait. This is a very big body of water and we do not have the capability today to assert our dominance over it. For foresee able years to come USN will be the dominant force in these waters and if we do not get our act together PLAAn will challenge us in our waters.

 

[sasum]

Our immediate interests lie from the Cape of Hope to the Malacca Strait. This is a very big body of water and we do not have the capability today to assert our dominance over it. For foresee able years to come USN will be the dominant force in these waters and if we do not get our act together PLAAn will challenge us in our waters.

I don't understand how we are concerned with cape of good hope. As for Malaccan Strait, yes, it has strategic importance but China's own ASEAN partners, Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia will take care of it. East Asian nations are not India's major trade or industrial partners. Putting up a naval blockade in Malacca will hardly perturb us.

 

[garg_bharat]

Remember 1962 war. Brother was placed before friend and ally.

India did not have a military relationship with USSR up to 1961 war. It was only in the aftermath that India rushed to develop sources.

My point is that equating USSR and Russia is flawed. USSR had an ideology, which drove its actions.

Russia is a normal nationalistic country. In this respect Russia is just like India.

 

[garg_bharat]

Our immediate interests lie from the Cape of Hope to the Malacca Strait. This is a very big body of water and we do not have the capability today to assert our dominance over it. For foresee able years to come USN will be the dominant force in these waters and if we do not get our act together PLAAn will challenge us in our waters.

Is it a military developed plan or a GOI sanctioned plan?

If we want to have significant influence on eastern seaboard of Africa, that will require much more than a Carrier. I think correct start would be to set up airbases. Taking responsibility for other countries is a big one.

Control of sea has no meaning without control/influence on littoral States.

PLAN challenging us is a theoretical statement. What is the basis of it.

Taking on PLAN is a theoretical statement. Taking on in what sense? Do we want to deny movement of PLAN ships in IOR??

 

[sasum]

Russia is a normal nationalistic country. In this respect Russia is just like India.

Russia is still not a multi-party democracy like India but it is now open to market economy with fetters like China. Private-Public partnership is encouraged.
Rest I agree with.

 

[sob]

I don't understand how we are concerned with cape of good hope. As for Malaccan Strait, yes, it has strategic importance but China's own ASEAN partners, Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia will take care of it. East Asian nations are not India's major trade or industrial partners. Putting up a naval blockade in Malacca will hardly perturb us.

None of these countries mentioned will take care of the Malacca Strait for China.
Check the map and see how far is Malacca Strait from India. You will get the answer.

These are our trading lines and we need to keep it in our sphere of influence.

 

[sob]

Is it a military developed plan or a GOI sanctioned plan?

If we want to have significant influence on eastern seaboard of Africa, that will require much more than a Carrier. I think correct start would be to set up airbases. Taking responsibility for other countries is a big one.

Control of sea has no meaning without control/influence on littoral States.

PLAN challenging us is a theoretical statement. What is the basis of it.

Taking on PLAN is a theoretical statement. Taking on in what sense? Do we want to deny movement of PLAN ships in IOR??

I will request @Yusuf to share a wonderful piece he wrote on this issue. Once you read it it will be very clear.

You are aware of the string of pearls policy of China. We have to counter it and towards that the current government has taken steps with Mauritius and Seychelles. Maldives remains a concern, while SL seems to have been contained for now.

PLAAN has been sending Subs to Indian Ocean, they have a sizeable presence near Gulf of Aden on the pretext of handling the Somalian Pirates, but I have yet to read any Chinese action in these waters against the pirates. They are in fact working on a base at Djibouti.

 

[sasum]

None of these countries mentioned will take care of the Malacca Strait for China.
Check the map and see how far is Malacca Strait from India. You will get the answer.

These are our trading lines and we need to keep it in our sphere of influence.

Nope. Malacca is certainly not on India's trade route. It affects mainly Malay, Indonesia & Singapore..the pirates' menace has also subsided. China also doesn't attach much importance to it. It is far from India's exclusive economic zone of 200 nautical miles.

 

[sasum]

Policing far-flung areas of international water is very expensive. It is not in our capacity nor do we need it. Our economic & strategic interest is limited to 200 nauts from shore. So long as our right to free passage through international waters is not challenged we need not lose sleep. China's string of pearls ambition is exaggerated and involves seeking onshore naval bases, not putting up blockades in international waters.

 

[SajeevJino]

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hey Putin's Cheerleaders ..see this map, how the Chinese encircling the India by the proposed maritime silk route

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en_US&app=mp&mid=z1BoOeR3S0zA.k46GpMRD132c

 

[spikey360]

There is a huge difference between peacetime and wartime.

I shall be there and I shall ask you when India faces war.

Nonsense, he will escape to USA on the first hint of breakout of war.
You will be too busy preparing to be mobilised.

The Americans will send one now to help us, If we fight against China,

This statement alone shows your slavish attitude. "if we fight against China". Slave. Fighting for others' interests. You will support fighting against China for USA. But you will not support fighting against ISIS for the common interest of India, Russia and the non-muslim world in general. Shows your true allegiance.