Taiwan says China could launch successful invasion by 2020

[SilentKiller]

Don't fear China but always be prepared, china is like a dragon which feeds on fear.
why does we have issues with china in North and not north east as i have myself seen, way Army is prepared in north east is much formidable but we lack infra in leh area. india is improving on northern end too.
Let china be friendly with -----s we should start military pacts with japan, Vietnam and tiwan. its a diplomatic war right now play it like that.
China is supporting Maoists and N-E militants don't think that India is not doing anything but its not available on open forum. yes we suffer due to corruption which is not even only in Politics or big IAS officers etc or even lower ranks and it has found its roots even in Armed forces which we cannot deny, everyone can work to defeat it.

 

[s002wjh]

It is immaterial.

They still remain to be separate and that is the issue!

The US economy is also highly tied up with China.

But that does not mean the US is de facto ruled by China!

there is a large scale difference between US/china vs china/taiwan, for one china require alot export to US, and vice versa. for taiwan, most its factory, economy are already in china, and they need the china market while china don't need taiwan as their sole exporter. this make taiwan more vunerable to china economy power compare to US. most taiwan elite has $$$ in china in term of factory, business, etc etc. and these people has significant influence in taiwan politic.

 

[s002wjh]

Why not? What stops Taiwan from postponing it indefinitely? Taiwan already refused the merger with China. What can China do? And more importantly what will China do?



So China is planning to buy out Taiwan with just a puny 800 million USD investment? So what will the 22+ billion USD investor USA will do?

time is on china side. if china is stable and conintinue its military/economy increase, then in the future it doesn't matter taiwan is merge to mainland or not, it will be a puppet state under mainland influence. taiwan has economic relationship with china more than just 800million, pretty much all taiwan elite has assets in china. notice the slogan for independence becoming less then to nothing.

 

[Ray]

there is a large scale difference between US/china vs china/taiwan, for one china require alot export to US, and vice versa. for taiwan, most its factory, economy are already in china, and they need the china market while china don't need taiwan as their sole exporter. this make taiwan more vunerable to china economy power compare to US. most taiwan elite has $$$ in china in term of factory, business, etc etc. and these people has significant influence in taiwan politic.

The economic stranglehold is all what matters.

Are the Chinese the sole proprietors of the US companies operating from China?

time is on china side. if china is stable and conintinue its military/economy increase

That is what the Chinese always claim for anything and everything.

One cannot predict the future!

 

[aerokan]

time is on china side. if china is stable and conintinue its military/economy increase, then in the future it doesn't matter taiwan is merge to mainland or not, it will be a puppet state under mainland influence. taiwan has economic relationship with china more than just 800million, pretty much all taiwan elite has assets in china. notice the slogan for independence becoming less then to nothing.

Time is on China's side for the short term. That's what I say to most of the people. But then again, long term prospects are not so good as China alienates one country after another. Economics and certainly human psychology are not your strong subjects. You can't just control everyone all the time. There will be times when people start bypassing you once the cost/benefit ratio suddenly changes winds when you put much pressure on independence of people.

China is not a country which will get satisfied with puppet states. There lies it's current strength in negotiations despite it's immoral nature. That will and infact it is becoming China's biggest weakness as well.

 

[no smoking]

Time is on China's side for the short term. That's what I say to most of the people. But then again, long term prospects are not so good as China alienates one country after another. Economics and certainly human psychology are not your strong subjects. You can't just control everyone all the time. There will be times when people start bypassing you once the cost/benefit ratio suddenly changes winds when you put much pressure on independence of people.

China is not a country which will get satisfied with puppet states. There lies it's current strength in negotiations despite it's immoral nature. That will and infact it is becoming China's biggest weakness as well.

In 1949, India was recognised industrial country in the world while China was a agricultrual country just finished its civil war.
In 1978, China, even though just steped out its cultural revolution, had become a bigger economy than India and overtook india on most industrial departments.
In 2013, China's economy is close 4 times of India's and the gap is widing everyday.

My friend, how do you define your long term? 100 years? 200 years?

 

[no smoking]

XI Jumping is the President of Taiwan is what you are saying?

BTW would love to see on these threads

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...japan-australia-not-gang-up-sea-disputes.html

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/china/54908-china-jails-seller-gutter-waste-oil.html

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...d-mistresses-take-revenge-corrupt-lovers.html

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/china/54903-respected-british-tibetan-monk-killed-sw-china.html

Do these links have anything to do with China-Taiwan issue?

 

[aerokan]

In 1949, India was recognised industrial country in the world while China was a agricultrual country just finished its civil war.
In 1978, China, even though just steped out its cultural revolution, had become a bigger economy than India and overtook india on most industrial departments.
In 2013, China's economy is close 4 times of India's and the gap is widing everyday.

My friend, how do you define your long term? 100 years? 200 years?

You already have the answers in your post. How long did it take China to cross India as per your timeline? If you haven't got it, there is no point in even telling you. China is no invincible country and the faster rise generally leads to faster fall as well especially with greedy ones.

Anyways.. I have no interest in extending this discussion further which is of no use.

 

[badguy2000]

taiwanese are losing their confidence ,with their real life quality is being surpassed by mainland chinese

 

[badguy2000]

taiwanese and hongkongese used to have the superirity complex to their poorer mainland chinese counsins. however,now many areas in mainland chhina have higher real life quality than hongkong and taiwan,which destroy their superiorty complex and frustrate them quite much.

 

[jmj_overlord]

why this news gained prominence all of a sudden ?

 

[s002wjh]

Time is on China's side for the short term. That's what I say to most of the people. But then again, long term prospects are not so good as China alienates one country after another. Economics and certainly human psychology are not your strong subjects. You can't just control everyone all the time. There will be times when people start bypassing you once the cost/benefit ratio suddenly changes winds when you put much pressure on independence of people.

China is not a country which will get satisfied with puppet states. There lies it's current strength in negotiations despite it's immoral nature. That will and infact it is becoming China's biggest weakness as well.

yes, ppl been saying china will fail etc etc for decades. the only thing that can cause them to fail is themself/government, but so far the government and its citizen on concentrate on making $$$.

taiwan is too close to china and to economic dependent on china now. compare to US/china vs china/taiwan economy relationship is stupid. US/china economy is mutual or in favor of US, china/taiwan economy is in favor of china, china economy are simply overshadowing taiwan + CCP give some $$$ lure to taiwaness, no politician will dare announce independence unless they don't want a 2nd term.

 

[Ray]

There is no doubt that Taiwan is a hop step and jump for China.

Why is the delay?

If what I learn from the Chinese posters here, everything is vectored towards dependency on China,then why is Taiwan delaying being a part of China?

After all, they are genetically, well most, are similar to the Hans of China.

Brothers and Sisters, after all!

 

[aerokan]

yes, ppl been saying china will fail etc etc for decades. the only thing that can cause them to fail is themself/government, but so far the government and its citizen on concentrate on making $$$.

taiwan is too close to china and to economic dependent on china now. compare to US/china vs china/taiwan economy relationship is stupid. US/china economy is mutual or in favor of US, china/taiwan economy is in favor of china, china economy are simply overshadowing taiwan + CCP give some $$$ lure to taiwaness, no politician will dare announce independence unless they don't want a 2nd term.

Dude!! take a break. You neither read what I wrote nor you understand behavior of people. Isn't that what I am saying all along that China will(not can) shoot itself in the foot? I didn't compare US/China to China/Taiwan. You think everything can be bought with $$$?

 

[W.G.Ewald]

why this news gained prominence all of a sudden ?

Perhaps Taiwan wants more US aid.

Also, as J20! pointed out, there is an implied threat:

Chinese President Xi Jinping told an envoy from Taiwan on Sunday that a political solution to the standoff over sovereignty could not be postponed forever.

 

[Oblaks]

there is a large scale difference between US/china vs china/taiwan, for one china require alot export to US, and vice versa. for taiwan, most its factory, economy are already in china, and they need the china market while china don't need taiwan as their sole exporter. this make taiwan more vunerable to china economy power compare to US. most taiwan elite has $$$ in china in term of factory, business, etc etc. and these people has significant influence in taiwan politic.

Taiwan companies have investments in China.. and the US have more. You invent a lot of things and make a lot of assumptions that have no basis just to make it fit your argument. Your arguments do not make sense at all

 

[no smoking]

Perhaps Taiwan wants more US aid.

Unfortunately, since 1978, US was unable to provide taiwan any AID. Instead, they earned plenty of profits from Taiwan by selling weapon at a price 2-3 times higher than other clients.

Also, as J20! pointed out, there is an implied threat:

With 90 billions surplus given to taiwan in 2012, which is 3 times of taiwan's total surplus, there is no taiwanese govt can work without the support of CCP.

 

[s002wjh]

Taiwan companies have investments in China.. and the US have more. You invent a lot of things and make a lot of assumptions that have no basis just to make it fit your argument. Your arguments do not make sense at all

actually most taiwan business are in china, and not all US business are in china. also, china need export to US, it doesn't need export to taiwan, big difference. taiwan rely on china via economy more than US rely on china.