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i think racism first and then the laterWould it be racism or intolerance?
i think racism first and then the laterWould it be racism or intolerance?
With all due respect sir. Even though I am not a practicing Christian and am highly agnostic, when I go to my native village (yes, I am a villager) in Kerala, I make it a point to attend mass at the local church. Believe it or not the mass begins with:would christains chant hindu mantras and sing bhajans too? because they also refer to "lord god" i am sure our hindu mantras are also universal.
would they offer namaz too? because namaz also refers to "lord god"
with all respect ray sir, we dont want to derail this topic. we don't need any preaching regarding this.
Now that is accepting what is good in others. In Kerala (most of) everybody celebrates Onam (Hindu) and Vishu(Harvest) including some Muslims that I know. What I am saying is it is better not to clump together and generalize people, saying Christians would never say Hindu mantras or Muslims are all hard-liners. It just simply doesn't work. There is too much diversity amongst us, that attempts to generalize are often ineffective.asato ma sadgamaya
tamaso ma jyotirgamaya
mrtyorma amrtam gamaya
Upanishad
With due respect to you, I wrote:would christains chant hindu mantras and sing bhajans too? because they also refer to "lord god" i am sure our hindu mantras are also universal.
would they offer namaz too? because namaz also refers to "lord god"
with all respect ray sir, we dont want to derail this topic. we don't need any preaching regarding this.
Please do not jump to conclusions that is set in your mind.I take it that in other religions, their 'hymns' I*(in sense of their religious praise to God) would be equally universal and yet meaning their God!
Exactly. What is the need for prayers. Be it christian/hindu/islam. I mean, for me the most important thing is toilet. I need to empty my bladders.Stupid teacher
What was the BIG need to do this silly thing in the first place
Before an exam starts kids need peace and quiet And many of them rush to the toilet
or the water cooler
And on topic. I ll repeat my stance. She shouldn't have barged in, that was wrong. And the other person was rude/intolerant (not racist. ). The first person certainly need not be suspended, maybe reprimanded and not for chanting Hindu mantras but for not following decorum. And the second person, yeah she was rude but I wouldn't punish her. I mean, tell me would you not kick out a mormon evangelist intruding your home, I would. Would you not shoot a burglar intruding your home to rob you inspite of the fact that, he is doing so to feed himself (Castle doctrine).
that's precisely what i am trying to rant for the past 1 hourit is silly of the School Administration to have suspended the teacher.
In today's environment, one has to be very careful before showing religious arrogance!
Maybe you should ask the same question to the Arya Vidya Mandir group of schools.do christian teachers do the same? - do they announce their desire first before singing christian songs
i am still trying to understand why christian song/prayer is forced upon on all students
Now from what I understand this was probably the board exams. There are no prayers before other usual exams, as far as I can remember. Before the students are taken to the exam center which is another school, they are gathered together and a few teachers are on the dais, sayin sh!t like: "You will do well" etc. It is during this assembly that this prayer thing happens. Hence the decorum.look, the teacher didn't chant hindu mantra inside a church or christian specific gathering/assembly or in a christian institute. it was an examination hall. then what kind of decorum are you talking about and who created such decorum? why are you repeatedly dodging my question when i ask why christian prayer is forced upon on all students. what do u mean by you wouldn't punish the teacher who turned the mic off? did the teacher own the mic or the institution? is she because holier than thou?
i will come back to that Upanishad later.
With due respect to you, I wrote:
no, it wasn't a christian school to begin with. or was it?if in this school Christian hymns are sung, it is to the Christian God. I take it that it is a Christian Minority School.
i agree.Therefore, if a Hindu teacher wanted the Hindu students to invoke their God just before a test, it was nothing wrong. And turning of the microphone was incorrect. This act would cause consternation and unhappiness amongst the Hindu students. The teachers could have been spoken to later.
i agree.If this was a Christian minority school, then they are within their rights to invoke the Christian God, but do not have the right to force such invocation on non Christian students.
i have to agree to disagree, but it wasn't christian school. - correct me if i am wrongTo be fair, if the School was a Christian minority school and it was the practice to sing only Christian hymns and nothing else, then it would be wrong of the Hindu teacher to invoke Hindu hymns since it was a departure from the School's practice and hence an incorrect 'intrusion' to the accepted norms.
yes, that's because i interfered. i have seen many of your post which ends up preaching whenever u bring the topic called "trinity".My post was well within the ambit of the subject of the thread and not something that can derail!
read the news again, it happened inside examination hall.. not in assembly or prayer hall.Now from what I understand this was probably the board exams. There are no prayers before other usual exams, as far as I can remember. Before the students are taken to the exam center which is another school, they are gathered together and a few teachers are on the dais, sayin sh!t like: "You will do well" etc. It is during this assembly that this prayer thing happens. Hence the decorum.
ok.I simply don't know the answer. I don't run that chain of schools.
Spot on!! Now expect some abuse from himMaybe you should ask the same question to the Arya Vidya Mandir group of schools.
They follow strict vedic chants in the school assembly and all teachers irrespective of their religion have to follow it or they are kicked out.
All school assemblies are formal drills, it appears that the teacher tried to be "innovative" without taking/ getting approval. Now that she has been kicked out, and she is communalising the issue.
If you are so anti-christian in your views, why do you live in a christian country? Come back to your vedic roots.....You can live is a purely BJP ruled state, you can choose Gujarat, MP, Bihar, Goa (but its catholic, so you may not like it there).
You must be miserable in Texas. Poor you.
Because some of those people are preaching what is against Christianity and Jesus. In fact we HINDUS know more aboutAll you seem to do is rake up communal issues in your threads/ posts. Why??
There are tons of stuff one can post on the mischief of the VHP or RSS, but it is of no use as it only viles the atmosphere of a forum.
Anti-christian threads seem to give you a kind of morbid orgasmic pleasure.
you don't even know shyt about me. so stop making assumptions.If you are so anti-christian in your views, why do you live in a christian country? Come back to your vedic roots.....You can live is a purely BJP ruled state, you can choose Gujarat, MP, Bihar, Goa (but its catholic, so you may not like it there).
You must be miserable in Texas. Poor you.
it is foolishness to jump into between a thread and play the hard bull without reading previous post. read my previous posts again, you will find that all i am saying is, if it is not a dedicated christian institute, then there is no harm in offering hindu or muslim prayers. if it is a dedicated christian institute then yes, hindu prayers should not be offered without consultations. vidya mandir is a dedicated hindu institution.Maybe you should ask the same question to the Arya Vidya Mandir group of schools.
They follow strict vedic chants in the school assembly and all teachers irrespective of their religion have to follow it or they are kicked out.
Agreed. Now all I am saying is: This teacher should have talked to the people who are organizing this assembly saying, "Now, look I need a time slot too." Then the problem would have been solved. But s/he didn't do that and climbed up the dais and said the prayer.read my previous posts again, you will find that all i am saying is, if it is not a dedicated christian institute, then there is no harm in offering hindu or muslim prayers.