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Su 35 S - Indian Air force's Savior ?
Russia and India have signed an agreement to jointly develop a fifth-generation upgrade of the Su-35 Super Flanker multirole fighter, according to a report published March 8 on Virginia-based military affairs website Defence News. The news sent shock and AWE across the borders. An Indian Air Force official said Russia has pitched the Su-35S several times over the last six months, stating that it can replace the Indian Air Force's MiG-21 and MiG-27 fighters, set to be retired from service in seven to eight years. Russia and India have already worked together on the development of a fifth-generation stealth fighter Known as FGFA An Indian Version of PAKFA. Well almost all news about Stealth Version of Su35S was always been as unconfirmed since there is no credible higher level official source from both the countries.
"How Su35S can change IAF's capabilities to fight two front war? This we need to go back in times The times of Mother of all deals
. Lots of thrilling episodes , rumors every now then which gripped online defense forums , politics , scandal twits and hell lot of headache especially for me -_-
Finally a leader with spine arrived as Prime Minister of India and put an end to this never ending saga of Loop. Seen as unbelievable decision to buy 36 rafale out of 124 MMRCA agreement during PM Modi's visit to France. But the question arise and unanswered . Is that enough ? with 40 years old vintage migs are about to retire within a decade ? So what is the way forward ?
Most recently Euro fighter which never wasted any time to LOCK and Fire at Rafale. Eurofighter estimates the Rafale's current flyaway price to be at least $150 million, a figure supported by public information on Armee de l'Aire (as the French air force is called) purchases. The Typhoon, like the Rafale, had satisfied the IAF in performance trials, losing out to the Dassault fighter by virtue of being more expensive. With a new format of buying only flyaway fighters, Eurofighter could convincingly argue it would be cheaper, since 571 Typhoons are on order compared to barely 225 Rafales. Anonymous government officials are creating a high benchmark, putting out the word that Dassault had quoted $300 million per Rafale in the MMRCA tender. The Economic Times quoted government sources as saying Dassault would provide a 25 per cent discount, offering 36 Rafales for $200 million each, in a contract for about $8 billion. Dassault had quoted $80 million in the MMRCA tender for each of the 18 Rafales it was to supply in flyaway condition. There is no way Dassault can supply the Rafale for less than $80 million today," points out Abhijit Iyer-Mitra, an aerospace expert at the Observer Research Foundation
This price would make the Rafale one-and-a-half times costlier than the fifth-generation Lockheed Martin F-35; four times costlier than the Sukhoi-30MKI; and nine times more expensive than the Tejas LCA. So it's not whether we need RAFALE or not the point is whether we need to have an Air force which can not only repel but can punish both China and Pakistan at will .Now this is where alleged "SU35-S" comes in as a Saviour and face saver for our national security .Don't mistake me when I say this .Of course Su35(whatever the variant) is not the replacement of single engine migs !
Need for Su35-S Arrives :
Indian air force estimates at least 45 squadrons are needed to repel a joint attack from Pakistan and China, compared with a current active strength of 25, which includes 14 squadrons whose MiG-21 and MiG-27 jets are due to be taken out of service starting this year. NOTE : This 42 squadron requirement is for defending our airspace and our people . Once you decided for offensive defense how can this be enough ? Chinese air force out match IAF in many aspects ! Even today . Chinese are not aiming to maintain superiority over India but the World overall. That's massive build-up and serious firepower we are facing. One small misunderstanding will start war between India and China whether may it be through Pakistan or escalation in South China Sea. Prevention is better than cure. To prevent any war we need to have strong capabilities more than our enemy , Only way to keep enemy at bay and well informed about our capabilities.
On one thing we all will agree. That's Su35 S is Heavy class fighter so it can't be a replacement for 15 squadrons of soviet era Migs. But so does Rafale we ever thought about it ? . We are so short sighted and very obsessed with costly platforms . Look at china will anyone dare to invade china ?And all Chinese are having is just rusted but tested weapon platforms and they improvised upon them . That's the way to go for India too.
Buying 150 million $ jet like rafale will put a huge black hole in our defence budgets. Let's be clear realistic we are not economic super power yet ! We don't have 10 Trillion dollar economy but 1.3 billion stomach to feed at least thrice a day. Thanks to Congress which destroyed our defense prepadness for a decade, So all the forces need to be upgraded with Howitzers to bullet jackets to submarines . But on threat perception India stands on top with 'Complete Psychopath Pakistan' and Very rich 'Insecure' China moving coins to checkmate India !
Mig 21/27 must be replaced with Tejas alone. There should be no turning back. And we are also aware of delays involved with the program .And so be it. Let the process go on. Let's turn our attention towards matching our capabilities to PLAAF. Su35S can act as a stop gap fighter between Super Sukoi upgrade and FGFA(Which has more bad news than good) . Upgraded version of Su35S to have full stealth configurations including internal weapon bay .Giving India a massive firepower for long rage missions ranging from strategic bombing raids deep inside China to air superiority over Tibetan's. With 60-80 million dollar a unit Su35S brings much needed boost to our air force. 90 Su35S (10 trainer +4 Squadrons) which could cost around 7-7.5 USD(@80 mill $) which is little over than 36 Rafale deal but with complete face lift for IAF !!! If enough investment is made, as with sufficient funds the avionics of the Su-35S could surpass those of the T-50. Through the purchase of fifth-generation directional flux nozzles with a large thrust to weight ratio, the Su-35S could reach a level of subsonic maneuverability equal to that of the T-50.
So what do you think friends ?
Mig 21/27 - Replaced with Tejas MK1/2
Su 35S - to compensate time delay in tejas,FGFA and AMCA and heavily priced Rafale ?
Russia and India have signed an agreement to jointly develop a fifth-generation upgrade of the Su-35 Super Flanker multirole fighter, according to a report published March 8 on Virginia-based military affairs website Defence News. The news sent shock and AWE across the borders. An Indian Air Force official said Russia has pitched the Su-35S several times over the last six months, stating that it can replace the Indian Air Force's MiG-21 and MiG-27 fighters, set to be retired from service in seven to eight years. Russia and India have already worked together on the development of a fifth-generation stealth fighter Known as FGFA An Indian Version of PAKFA. Well almost all news about Stealth Version of Su35S was always been as unconfirmed since there is no credible higher level official source from both the countries.
"How Su35S can change IAF's capabilities to fight two front war? This we need to go back in times The times of Mother of all deals
. Lots of thrilling episodes , rumors every now then which gripped online defense forums , politics , scandal twits and hell lot of headache especially for me -_-Finally a leader with spine arrived as Prime Minister of India and put an end to this never ending saga of Loop. Seen as unbelievable decision to buy 36 rafale out of 124 MMRCA agreement during PM Modi's visit to France. But the question arise and unanswered . Is that enough ? with 40 years old vintage migs are about to retire within a decade ? So what is the way forward ?
Most recently Euro fighter which never wasted any time to LOCK and Fire at Rafale. Eurofighter estimates the Rafale's current flyaway price to be at least $150 million, a figure supported by public information on Armee de l'Aire (as the French air force is called) purchases. The Typhoon, like the Rafale, had satisfied the IAF in performance trials, losing out to the Dassault fighter by virtue of being more expensive. With a new format of buying only flyaway fighters, Eurofighter could convincingly argue it would be cheaper, since 571 Typhoons are on order compared to barely 225 Rafales. Anonymous government officials are creating a high benchmark, putting out the word that Dassault had quoted $300 million per Rafale in the MMRCA tender. The Economic Times quoted government sources as saying Dassault would provide a 25 per cent discount, offering 36 Rafales for $200 million each, in a contract for about $8 billion. Dassault had quoted $80 million in the MMRCA tender for each of the 18 Rafales it was to supply in flyaway condition. There is no way Dassault can supply the Rafale for less than $80 million today," points out Abhijit Iyer-Mitra, an aerospace expert at the Observer Research Foundation
This price would make the Rafale one-and-a-half times costlier than the fifth-generation Lockheed Martin F-35; four times costlier than the Sukhoi-30MKI; and nine times more expensive than the Tejas LCA. So it's not whether we need RAFALE or not the point is whether we need to have an Air force which can not only repel but can punish both China and Pakistan at will .Now this is where alleged "SU35-S" comes in as a Saviour and face saver for our national security .Don't mistake me when I say this .Of course Su35(whatever the variant) is not the replacement of single engine migs !
Need for Su35-S Arrives :
Indian air force estimates at least 45 squadrons are needed to repel a joint attack from Pakistan and China, compared with a current active strength of 25, which includes 14 squadrons whose MiG-21 and MiG-27 jets are due to be taken out of service starting this year. NOTE : This 42 squadron requirement is for defending our airspace and our people . Once you decided for offensive defense how can this be enough ? Chinese air force out match IAF in many aspects ! Even today . Chinese are not aiming to maintain superiority over India but the World overall. That's massive build-up and serious firepower we are facing. One small misunderstanding will start war between India and China whether may it be through Pakistan or escalation in South China Sea. Prevention is better than cure. To prevent any war we need to have strong capabilities more than our enemy , Only way to keep enemy at bay and well informed about our capabilities.
On one thing we all will agree. That's Su35 S is Heavy class fighter so it can't be a replacement for 15 squadrons of soviet era Migs. But so does Rafale we ever thought about it ? . We are so short sighted and very obsessed with costly platforms . Look at china will anyone dare to invade china ?And all Chinese are having is just rusted but tested weapon platforms and they improvised upon them . That's the way to go for India too.
Buying 150 million $ jet like rafale will put a huge black hole in our defence budgets. Let's be clear realistic we are not economic super power yet ! We don't have 10 Trillion dollar economy but 1.3 billion stomach to feed at least thrice a day. Thanks to Congress which destroyed our defense prepadness for a decade, So all the forces need to be upgraded with Howitzers to bullet jackets to submarines . But on threat perception India stands on top with 'Complete Psychopath Pakistan' and Very rich 'Insecure' China moving coins to checkmate India !
Mig 21/27 must be replaced with Tejas alone. There should be no turning back. And we are also aware of delays involved with the program .And so be it. Let the process go on. Let's turn our attention towards matching our capabilities to PLAAF. Su35S can act as a stop gap fighter between Super Sukoi upgrade and FGFA(Which has more bad news than good) . Upgraded version of Su35S to have full stealth configurations including internal weapon bay .Giving India a massive firepower for long rage missions ranging from strategic bombing raids deep inside China to air superiority over Tibetan's. With 60-80 million dollar a unit Su35S brings much needed boost to our air force. 90 Su35S (10 trainer +4 Squadrons) which could cost around 7-7.5 USD(@80 mill $) which is little over than 36 Rafale deal but with complete face lift for IAF !!! If enough investment is made, as with sufficient funds the avionics of the Su-35S could surpass those of the T-50. Through the purchase of fifth-generation directional flux nozzles with a large thrust to weight ratio, the Su-35S could reach a level of subsonic maneuverability equal to that of the T-50.
So what do you think friends ?
Mig 21/27 - Replaced with Tejas MK1/2
Su 35S - to compensate time delay in tejas,FGFA and AMCA and heavily priced Rafale ?
