Sri Lanka, BJP and AIADMK

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  1. amoy

    amoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    Ya economy being the primary competition. Indians' outlandish belief in the near-magical powers of a single man Modi perhaps results from high expectation that he offers concrete, personified hope to escape from the present economic conundrum. Then they overload Modi's agenda with redundant tasks like taking on SL
     
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    well your comments suggest otherwise
     
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    Going to war is taking a risk to one's army. And of course the business interests of indian companies in SL is huge.

    War is not a way to solve issue, exactly my point. tell that to insecure indians here
     
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    I too agree indian's believes in near magical powers of modi is hilarious.
     
  5. HeinzGud

    HeinzGud Senior Member Senior Member

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    Obviously British needed servants who do what ever they say. That shouldn't be mistaken. There were Bengali's also who were well educated. Have you ever thought why British gave precedence to Tamils over Bengali's in that matter?


    Well, when the schools which produced English speaking students were located mainly at Jaffna, how would you say it was not an special privilege. How do you think locally educated students coped with their English speaking counter parts in pursuing government jobs?

    To rise by their sheer diligence and determination they needed a system that functioned well. Do you think Tamils built it?

    I do not say British were specifically provided Tamils with better education. But when British arrived to Sri Lanka Tamils were enjoying a better educational system created by the Dutch. This was not the case elsewhere in the island.

    Don't you think that is a special privilege for Tamils?


    I wonder how can a person like you who knows Sri Lankan history say such a thing. You are extensively biased Mr. Ray. You are purposefully neglecting the facts.


    I wonder same thing happened in India also. Tamils should have asked British to say. Did they Mr. Ray?
     
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    SajeevJino Long walk Elite Member

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    85 fishermen killed by Sri Lanka in 10 years: Govt - The Times of India

    There are Sveral Clashed only in Recent Times ..No more Kills

    Yes even the Early Government Reports when Pakki Soldiers Beheaded our Hero's ..Our Minister says those are Terrorists

    That's how we both Deal with Them ..But ramming their Vessels Firing Rounds and Cutting their Fishing nets is not a Good Deal like you

    How do you Know that ...does everyone Do it even Knowing the truth ...

    Hope so ..!!!
     
  7. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Rather vacuous.

    The fact that the Dutch and then the British colonised Ceylon makes one servants, be he a Ceylonese or Tamils?

    That way, wherever their were a colonial power, the indigenous people would be servants as per you, right.

    Bengalis were in great numbers in Burma as the core of the middle level and lower level of British administration there.


    British rans schools are located where people are ready and willing to learn.

    In Jaffna, there were more than willing to have education.

    It is obvious that the British would recruit those who were familiar with English for govt jobs.

    Now, why did the other Celyonese not take the opportunity is most surprising.



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    The system was British. And the Tamils made the best of that system thorugh hard work and diligence.

    I do not say British were specifically provided Tamils with better education. But when British arrived to Sri Lanka Tamils were enjoying a better educational system created by the Dutch. This was not the case elsewhere in the island.

    Don't you think that is a special privilege for Tamils?


    So, if the Tamils were taking advantage of an education system made by the Dutch, while the other Ceylonese didn't, it just shows how great their hunger to learn and be industrious.

    Education was for all who grabbed it and the Tamils did. That is not special privileges.




    I would sure be delighted to learn how the Buddhist Ceylonese wanted to throw out the British, and if they tried, I sure would love to know of such incidents.



    I can only guess.

    Maybe the non Muslims felt that they would get justice from the British that they were not getting from the Mughal Kings and satraps.
     
  8. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    It is you who raised the issue of Maoist, not I. Check it out.

    If LTTE was a conventional army, then you would say the guerilla warfare is conventional warfare.

    And also that Mao and Che were conventional Generals!

    Military annals do not subscribe to that view.
     
  9. HeinzGud

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    Yes you are right. When the hammer of the invaders fall upon the indigenous. Indigenous become servants.

    But if there are people who would do what ever they can to appease the invader then they will become the favorite of the invader.

    Burma can be accepted being so close to Bengal. But why not Malaya? Why were Bengalis ousted by Tamils for Malaya? What was the Specialty among Tamil (Ceylonese) which lacked in Bengali?

    Then why British never bothered to educate Tamils in Vanni regions, Mannar, Eastern Sri Lanka and Central hill country? Were they willing to learn? Or did those Tamils were as lazy as the Sinhalese?

    That is because there were very few schools for Sinhalese to learn English and prepare themselves for the civil service jobs.


    For Christ sake. Dutch could built a good schooling system in Jaffna. This didn't happen all over the island of Sri Lanka. Because Sinhalese were at war with Dutch unlike Tamils.


    Great Rebellion of 1817–18 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Just one.

    So Tamils in India was against British while Tamils in Sri Lanka was welcoming them. What an irony. I thought for once Tamils were hard working, hungry for education and industrious lot.
     
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    HeinzGud Senior Member Senior Member

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    You know in America they shoot illegal immigrants if they cross the border.
     
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    Not only in America ..all over the world It's Happens

    But No one Kills Fisherman ..This is too Happens all over the World Except Sri Lanka , DPRK ,
     
  12. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    No quibbles there.

    But what is unique is to use the appeasement and turn the tables.

    The Indian National Congress did that when it was formed in 1885 by Allan Octavian Hume, but turned the tables on the British!


    Maybe because the Tamils are more adventurous. However, the ties, I believe between Burma and Bengal were before even the British arrived,

    Could it be because they were better to run the British enterprises there and educating them would not be wise for the British? Are you sure the others were not educated? Any links?

    The Eastern were Moors and they were averse to education etc,


    Would you waste money where there is no returns?

    Why have schools when none want to be educated.


    It was organised by the Nayakars, who were related to the Madurai Nayak dynasty and to the Tanjore Nayak dynasty.

    Keppetipola Disawe was the successor of Sri \Vikrama Rajasinha ( born Kannasamy Nayaka) the last of four Kings, to rule the last Sinhalese monarchy of the Kingdom of Kandy in Sri Lanka. The Nayak Kings were Telugu Buddhists that spoke Tamil,

    Neat twisting of what I replied.

    I stated that maybe the Hindus felt that the British would be more fair in dispensing justice than the Mughals.
     
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    For what ? That appeasement was not a communal effort it was a solitary efforts for personnel gains. What a fascinating table turning. India should have learnt from those Tamils on how to turn tables on British. In that way they could have saved many lives.

    Total different scenario to compare but did British yielded to Hume? No. In the end congress was at square one. So that is how Indian appeasement went on.

    Correction should be added. Ceylonese Tamils not just Tamils.

    But again another issue arises if Ceylonese Tamils were adventurous why didn't British use them to run India? Why brought them to Malaya?

    If Ceylonese Tamils were so good as you say British should have used every bit of them for their gains by educating. Why waste so much valuable human resource?

    British could have run their enterprise by importing Tamil coolies from India. Just as they did in central Sri Lanka.

    Now do you believe Tamil homeland concept of North and East of Sri Lanka is a false one?


    Then why didn't British let Tamils run Sri Lanka? It would have been much easier that way just as they did in South Africa.


    Where were Nayakars when British took them away? Who organized the revolt? Do you accept Sinhalese fought for British?

    If you still do not, read this Matale Rebellion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Mr. Ray those Nayaks came to power in Kandy because Sinhalese welcomed them to use as puppets in power politics. The move backfired of course. But the real power laid with Sinhalese. That is why Sri Wikramarajasinghe had to surrender to British.

    You twisted what you said. You said Muslims felt that the British would be more fair in dispensing justice than the Mughals.

    How does it connect to this.
     
  14. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Great in hindsight, but not in those contemporary times.

    If life is well and good, why turn table?

    Did the British not yield?

    The Indian National Congress went from strength to strength.

    Why be lazy? Read it up. Don’t be a typical Sri Lankan letting others take over your right to education as history bears it out.

    Correct.

    They also descended from the Moon!

    Because Indians were equally good.

    They did.

    They gave them a British education so that they could vibe. Heard of MacCaulay?

    British could have run their enterprise by importing Tamil coolies from India. Just as they did in central Sri Lanka.

    Discrimination has strange bedfellows.

    South Africa was run by Africans?

    Then why was there a Nelson Mandela?

    Are you daft?

    Nayakars were of Indian orgin.

    They organised the revolt and not the Buddhist Sri Lankan as you.

    Though I will accept that they were as Sri Lankan as the Tamil of Jaffna are today.

    I presume they were welcomed as the Sri Lankans welcomed the Dutch and the British. The only difference is that they stayed and became a part of Sri Lanka, while the Dutch and the British quit.

    Yes I did and you twisted!
     
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    HeinzGud Senior Member Senior Member

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    Ask it from yourself.

    Derailing when there is nothing to say. It is just like your circular logic.

    Then again why not Bengali's were selected over Ceylonese Tamils. Bengali's were greater in number Ceylonese Tamils


    Who gave them who and No I can't say I know of MacCaulay. But please elaborate I might get the drift.


    do you believe Tamil homeland concept of North and East of Sri Lanka is a false one?

    why didn't British let Tamils run Sri Lanka? It would have been much easier that way just as they did in South Africa.

    Please open your brain beyond Mandela.

    Yes indeed.

    Please elaborate more.

    Me too. Both came as immigrants but the different is Tamils think they had a independent homeland in SL.


    You presume. Mr. Ray dedicate your time to learn history. You are ill fed on information.
     
  16. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    @HeinzGud,

    Simply stated, it is sagacious to eschew obfuscation

    The mark of your ignorance of facts is the depth of your belief in injustice and tragedy.
     
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    HeinzGud Senior Member Senior Member

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    I have same thing to say.
     
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