Philippines to stand ground vs bullying of China

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  1. ice berg

    ice berg Senior Member Senior Member

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    If contribution determines the outcome of UN seat, then US is the first country to go.

    BTW she cant be voted out of security council. That is why it is called " permanent member".:pound:
     
  2. WuMaoCleverbot

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    United Nations Official Document

    United States contribution(598,292,101) is 9times more than China's(64,976,552). Japan(405,013,197) 6times more than China.


     
  3. G90

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    the keyword is india...:rofl:

    To be honest, most Chinese think india is a big joke, so your comments looks very funny :rofl:
     
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  4. G90

    G90 Regular Member

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    You know, its the UN that need China get involved in their decision-making process, not vis-via:rofl:

    Actually China could careless about UN, afterall the first war China/PRC fought was against the force of UN:rofl:
     
  5. Zero_Wing

    Zero_Wing Regular Member

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    typical chinese attitude and thinking really can you live without the rest of the world then go! who needs your fake products your arrogance and your threats anyway.

    The world can live without china but china can't live without the world
     
  6. J8II

    J8II Tihar Jail Banned

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    China can live without your banana and maids.
     
  7. Zero_Wing

    Zero_Wing Regular Member

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    Really send them home or wait you can't because your lazy and stupid to make things for yourselves and other thing about you and your country monster harassment one bananas really you ban our bananas because they have pest eat coconuts not bananas in a middle of a dispute? and called it an protection please only an idiot would believe you? and One the Maid again lame brain only 5% are maids stupid some of the people you are calling names are mostly teachers and professionals in your country which you don't because of your statements and your brain is condition to hate people that you people think less of? typical Nazi type Education with the exceptions from outside sources as i said earlier.

    Other thing lame @$$ if you can live without maids why hire then? typical lame brain logic nothing but air so typical ----- monster behavior and thinking
     
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  8. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    After years of Mao suits and deprivatons, China has lapped up the capitalist petty Bourgeoisie ways.

    The cannot do without the luxuries of the noveau riche to include maids!

    Hong Kong is full of foreign domestic help!
     
  9. Godless-Kafir

    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    China can live with USA, India, Japan or Africa. China is the middle kingdom. :rolleyes:
     
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  10. Mad Indian

    Mad Indian Proud Bigot Veteran Member Senior Member

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    Thats why they are considered as 50 centers, living in denial and know only about the propaganda their govt has fed them. Incapable of logical reasoning :truestory:
     
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    Indeed! :pound:
     
  12. LETHALFORCE

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    3 Japanese vessels to visit Philippines » Nation » News | Philippine News | philstar.com


    3 Japanese vessels to visit Philippines


    MANILA, Philippines - Japan is sending three training ships to the Philippines for a four-day port call next week.

    This came after the Japanese government declared that it is supplying the Philippines with 10 brand-new patrol vessels to bolster its maritime and territorial capabilities before the year ends.

    The scheduled arrival of JS Kashima (TV-3505) JS Shimayuki (TV-3513) and JS Matsuyuki (DD-130) from the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force (JMSDF) training squadron in Manila, came only days after the visit of the United States (US) nuclear-powered submarine USS North Carolina and the two Indian warships, INS Rana and INS Shakti in Subic, Zambales since last week.

    Defense and military authorities described all these recent friendly port calls and visits of warships as "routine" and has nothing to do with the ongoing tense territorial stand-off in Panatag Shoal (Scarborough Shoal) between the Philippines and China.

    Navy spokesman Col. Omar Tonsay said that Philippine Navy ship BRP Apolinario Mabini will welcome the three Japanese training ships under the overall command of Rear Admiral Hidetoshi Fuchinoue, upon arrival on the waters off Corregidor Island on May 28.

    The visiting Japanese maritime training vessels: JS Kashima has a standard displacement of 4,050 gross tons, has length of 143 meters and bean of 18 meter, draft of seven meters and an armament of 76mm main gun and two triple torpedo tubes and a complement of 360 personnel.

    The JS Shimayuki has a displacement of 3,050 gross tons, length of 130 meters, beam of 13.6 meters and draft of 8.5 meters and is armed with a 76mm main gun, two 20mmm close-in weapon systems, one surface-to-surface missile tube, one surface-to-arm missile system, an anti-submarine launcher and two triple torpedo tubes and has a 200-man compliment.

    The JS Matsuyuki has the same dimensions, crew and armament of her sistership, JS Matsuyuki.

    While in the Philippines until May 31, the visiting Japanese sailors will involve themselves in goodwill activities with their Filipino counterparts.

    “The visit will further strengthen existing friendly relations between the two navies through a series of scheduled events aimed at enhancing understanding and cooperation,” Tonsay said.

    Earlier, the Japanese government announced that it is supplying on a loan, the Philippines 10 40-footer patrol vessels along with two one-tonner ships to help strengthen the country’s maritime patrols and territorial defense.

    The vessels which will all be deliverd by the end of the year will be turned over to the Philippine Coast Guard (PCG), which for now has only a single vessel deployed in Panatag Shoal as against the five Chinese maritime and Fishery Law Enforcement Command (FLEC) vessels in the area.

    Japanese newspaper, the Yomiuri Shimbun, said in an editorial that Japan could not just stand and watch China’s ongoing military build-up in South China Sea while expressing fears of a direct confrontation between Beijing and the Philippines in the wake of a tense territorial standoff in Panatag Shoal (Scarborough Shoal).

    “Japan cannot afford to ignore the Scarborough Shoal dispute, as the nation faces similar friction with China, which claims sovereignty over the Senkaku Islands,” the Yomiuri Shimbun, said.

    It added: “Peace and stability in the South China Sea is not only crucial for nations in Southeast Asia. It also is in Japan’s national interest to ensure that its sealanes remain safe."

    Yomiuri Shimbun noted the Japanese government's plans to use official development assistance to provide the Philippines with patrol vessels for its coast guard to help the country strengthen its maritime security. – Jaime Laude
     
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  13. LETHALFORCE

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    Philippines: Japan Maritime SDF training squadron to visit Manila | GroundReport

    Philippines: Japan Maritime SDF training squadron to visit Manila



    Manila - Three Destroyers of the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force, consisting of three vessels, The ships,with nearly 800 personel aboard, officers and crew members on board, including 200 newly commissioned officers. The visit comes as the Peoples republic of China has been fueding with Manila over a small atol off of the Philippine coast. At the same time China has also been engaged in sanctions and a dispute with Japan over islands just off Japan.

    The vessels JS Kashima (TV-3508), JS Shimayuki (TV-3513) and JS Matsuyuki (DD-130) are in the Philippines until June 1 for "Goodwill activities with the Philippine Navy and socail services projects with Philippine government agencies." The squadronis lead by Rear Admiral Hidetoshi Fuchinoue.

    The squadron last visited the Philippines in 2010, when it also stayed for four days. Then the JS SHIRAYUKI (DD123), JS MINEYUKI (DD124) and JS SETOYUKI (DD131), The program during the ships' regualr almost yearly visits include courtesy calls on ranking Philippine officials and friendly sports activities with Philippine counterparts.

    In this years visit, a news release from the Japanese embassy in Manila says, The ship s have about 7 7 0 officers and crew members on board, including 200 newly commissioned officers,

    During the visit, Rear Admiral Fuchinoue will make courtesy calls on ranking Philippine officials and la y a wreath at the Rizal monument.
    On May 30, the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force Band and the Philippine Coast Guard Symphonic Band will have a joint concert.

    JMSDF ships have visited Manila more than 50 times since 1966, making it one of the most frequent destinations for JMSDF's training squadron and indicat ing the strong relations between the Philippine Navy and the JMDSF.

    The flotilla is often in region. Japan is a partner of the Philippines in desisater responce and civil affiars - Japan also has in past provided the Philippines with search and rescue patrol and Naval ships and aircraft for its use and search and rescue needs.
     
  14. panduranghari

    panduranghari Senior Member Senior Member

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    Show us some evidence of this assertion? I know you are a 17 year old pimply teenager earning a bit of pocket money by working at A 50 cent centre.
     
  15. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    Is it a China-US war?

    Is it a China-US war?

    SAD to say, in world geopolitics, it is many times “Might is Right” rather than “Right is Might.”

    The Roman Empire, Spain, Portugal and even Britain and the United States colonized parts of the globe on sheer strength of might, economic or military.

    Not all “Might,” of course, prevails if there is an element of “coercion” done on its own people as the fall of Rome, Germany, the USSR, Eastern Europe and some Arab states had painfully discovered.

    China however, realized soon enough to liberalize her economic straight jackets and political strangulation of her citizens in the last decades. It is paying off today.

    Today, the Philippines is in a “standoff” at the Scarborough Shoal off Zambales with Chinese and Philippine vessels in a “staring down” contest.

    Is it really a serious China-RP war or a proxy fight between China and the USA with RP as the pawn?

    What are the givens in this case of grave international import?

    First is that China is going to be a giant that will dominate the 21st Century.

    Second is that the US is faltering economically but remains the largest military power there still is, with inclinations to play “Robocop.”

    The core problem lies in the fact that the South China Sea’s “ownership” is one of the “three non-negotiable tenets” of China’s foreign policy. The other two are the absorption of Hong Kong and the assimilation of Tibet. China will impose her will in the issue of the South China Sea where the Scarborough Shoal is a parcel of.

    But why are we all quarreling over some rocks and wide blue sea out there? The answer is that the one of basis of sovereignty is also economics. There is so much oil there ($26 trillion worth, said the Philippine News Agency, culled from research of military sources in RP), other minerals like gold and a rich marine life. It is a place to die for.

    That is the reason there are many claimants to this “gold mine by the sea” —China, Vietnam, Taiwan, Thailand and the Philippines.

    A shooting war between China and the Philippines is a comedy of a Goliath versus David without the slingshot. We have no single fighter jet for the Air Force and we have vintage war ships for the Navy.

    The ancients had advised us all. One is “Do not fight a war that you have no chance of winning.” The other one is “Do not fight a battle where victory is meaningless.”

    The first advice is for the Philippines, the second for China.

    What then are the choices for the Philippines to lay claim to her sovereign rights over the islands?

    There is the legal route. Two old maps: the 1734 version by Spanish priest Fr. Pedro Murilo Velarde and the 1690 Venice version as illustrated by Italian Vicernzo Cornelli indicating that the Spratly Islands belong to the Philippines.

    There are also international arbiters of territorial justice: The International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea and the International Court of Justice.

    The problem is that China does not want to submit to a multilateral body resolution and would opt for a bilateral negotiation between two nations.

    Militarily, the Philippines can invoke the 1951 Mutual Defense Treaty between the USA and the Philippines where one will help when the other is attacked militarily. But shots have not been fired yet.

    All that is needed is to remind the USA about the “Manila Declaration” signed in December aboard the USS Fitzgerald between President Aquino and US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton which was basically a reaffirmation of the obscure but enforceable defense treaty.

    Will the US respond if the Chinese fires the first shot at the Philippine ships at the shoal?

    There is the other way—the political route of convincing the Asean to have some binding conduct of behavior in this controversy. Speaking as one region—one of the fastest growing at that—will matter to China.

    There is the gentle persuasion to be done in Europe for them not to lift the “arms embargo” on China after the massacre of civilians in Tiananmen Square. That will partly freeze the road of China’s becoming a hawk militarily.

    Will all of these work?

    The bottom line is the world can ignore the second-largest economy in the world (China) at the risk of being called an ignoramus in the “geopolitik of size.”

    All the players—the US, Asean and Europe - need China one way or the other. They need capital—investments and loans from cash rich China, their cheap products and their billion consumers as a big market for exports. The sad problem faced by our banana and fruit exporters to China recently is a case in point.

    Among the biggest movers in the struggling US today are Chinese loans and equity. The Chinese are even putting up firms in the US that hire mostly Americans. Can the US do with a “shooting war” after Iraq and Saddam?

    This is where the theory of the “Might is Right” comes into distinct play. China is Mr Might, right now.

    China cannot be overcome, only contained. And the only area left for containment of China by the US is through military means.

    Last year the US did visits and communiques and moved its forces in allied countries like Japan, Australia, Guam, the Philippines and Thailand. The US knows what is at stake.

    China will put her first aircraft carrier in August near the disputed shoal area while the US will add one more aircraft carrier in the Asia-Pacific region. A show of force.

    What we see is a stalemate between the China and US where force build-up is actually a mutual deterrent to actual war. Much like a 21st century version of the Cold War.

    Will China fire at Philippine boats? We think NOT—a victory there will be meaningless—where political, economic and military backlash from everywhere—will be far greater than its victory.

    Do not underestimate the Chinese, though; they are smarter than we think. Do not forget that the great military book called The Art of War was written by a Chinese. Basically the book said that the best way to win a war is avoiding it. Enough said.

    But is the Shoal imbroglio really a China-US war? You bet your bottom peso, it is.

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    Hard to take seriously a writer named "Bingo."
     
  17. ice berg

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    You think pundits here care about the name of the author. If Epoch times are ok, then Bingo is certainly acceptable.
     
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    in the 1980's when the gov of the phils asked US forces to leave the bases , they committed a grave error ! no doubt they weren't happy with the behaviour of some or many of the personnel, but they could have negotiated it better . No one had the foresight to do so and as a result prc had free sailing rights in the CSC especially that area around the Phils :The GO Phil will now have ro re-negotiate to get US naval weapnry back on board . India has it's own issue - india'sfirst duty is to protect it's drilling bases in the SCS and i doubt they would have the exess to protect the Phils and certainly not without qui pro quo - payment ! the USA and coalition is the man for the job -Phil should squander no fiurther time in engaging with them .- delays might lead to irreversible situations ..
     
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    Many people scream his name in joy weekly.
     
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    Anymore off topic rants will be deleted and infarctions issued
     
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