Pakistan Navy To Get New Submarines from China

[chex3009]

In fact the Pak Navy must buy 60 of those subs and the Chinese should offer a soft loan to them...

After all its in our interest. LOL

 

[ace009]

I would love to know whether Israel would sell tech to China too - like the LAVI?

 

[AprilLyrics]

QING? or YUAN class?

 

[pack leader]

I would love to know whether Israel would sell tech to China too - like the LAVI?

cant you get over this cheap shot talk it was 30 years ago before India-Israeli friendship
it was a time when every one (including NATO) had deals with china
they only bought the blueprints and the end result (j-10) bears Little similarity to the original lavi

 

[Kunal Biswas]

can any one tell me about qing class submarine ? did some search in net but was unsuccessful .

how modern are these submarines. the above data do not mention about qing class .

They are going for Yung Class which is a Modified Kilo class of 877 type..

Their is nothing Qing class but Qin class which is a Nuclear Powered Sub, And PN not going for it coz its still on drawing board..

The Type 041 inherits the tail design of the Type 039 (NATO codename: Song class) with four diving planes and a single large shaft. The teardrop shaped hull and large sail suggest heavy Kilo influence. The teardrop shape also suggests a pressurized double hull design inherited from the Kilo. A pair of foreplanes are positioned in the middle of the sail. The submarine is equipped with indigenously developed cabin-raft (shock absorbers ) system that helped to reduce noise level by over 35dB. Additionally, the submarine is covered with rubber anti-sonar protection tiles to reduce the risk of detection.
A new improved "A" variant was also launched.
Length: 75 m Propulsion: Diesel-electric, 1 shaft, AIP (air-independent propulsion) Speed: 20+ kts Armament: 6 torpedo tubes

Type 041 submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[tony4562]

They are going for Yung Class which is a Modified Kilo class of 877 type..

Their is nothing Qing class but Qin class which is a Nuclear Powered Sub, And PN not going for it coz its still on drawing board..

The Type 041 inherits the tail design of the Type 039 (NATO codename: Song class) with four diving planes and a single large shaft. The teardrop shaped hull and large sail suggest heavy Kilo influence. The teardrop shape also suggests a pressurized double hull design inherited from the Kilo. A pair of foreplanes are positioned in the middle of the sail. The submarine is equipped with indigenously developed cabin-raft (shock absorbers ) system that helped to reduce noise level by over 35dB. Additionally, the submarine is covered with rubber anti-sonar protection tiles to reduce the risk of detection.
A new improved "A" variant was also launched.
Length: 75 m Propulsion: Diesel-electric, 1 shaft, AIP (air-independent propulsion) Speed: 20+ kts Armament: 6 torpedo tubes

Type 041 submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They were probaboy referring to the so-called Improved Yuan class. Only 1 hull exists, and it has just entered service with the PLAN navy. Most people believe that it is a missile testing sub intended to replace the aging Golf hull.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

They were probaboy referring to the so-called Improved Yuan class. Only 1 hull exists, and it has just entered service with the PLAN navy. Most people believe that it is a missile testing sub intended to replace the aging Golf hull.

Hmm..

Did they changed the batteries ?

 

[anoop_mig25]

They are going for Yung Class which is a Modified Kilo class of 877 type..

Their is nothing Qing class but Qin class which is a Nuclear Powered Sub, And PN not going for it coz its still on drawing board..

The Type 041 inherits the tail design of the Type 039 (NATO codename: Song class) with four diving planes and a single large shaft. The teardrop shaped hull and large sail suggest heavy Kilo influence. The teardrop shape also suggests a pressurized double hull design inherited from the Kilo. A pair of foreplanes are positioned in the middle of the sail. The submarine is equipped with indigenously developed cabin-raft (shock absorbers ) system that helped to reduce noise level by over 35dB. Additionally, the submarine is covered with rubber anti-sonar protection tiles to reduce the risk of detection.
A new improved "A" variant was also launched.
Length: 75 m Propulsion: Diesel-electric, 1 shaft, AIP (air-independent propulsion) Speed: 20+ kts Armament: 6 torpedo tubes

Type 041 submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

you said Qing class does not exist but on other forums(specially def.pk) they are going ga-ga over it.even chinese menbers are ga-ga over it so is your information is true that Qing class doesnt exist and it is Qin class which is still on drawing board then why so ga-ga over it.

and does pn can afford Nuclear Powered Sub does their economy allowes so . india having bigger econmy then pakistan has 16 subs out of which 8 are going to retire soon so in effect 8 subs and that to be old one.while pak has 8 better subs then india(there was recent article claming it) so can PN afford it.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Qin class which is still on drawing board then why so ga-ga over it.

They like to do GAGA like Lady GAGA !

If they are really discussion something good enough, post some info here...

 

[Rahul Singh]

Pakistan has no option, it doesn't have money to buy U-212/214 from Germany, something in which PN was taking lot of interest. Cheap-Chinese is their last option. Can't wait to read about Pakistanis claiming this a joint project with best in the world tag.

it depends on the offer (what can you provide in return and is it worth the risk)
we will collaborate with India in this area if it pays off (politically and financially)
i don't know the answer but if it does we will collaborate with you regardless of Yank complaints

I guess we pay you more than handsome, something which we never paid to any (read frustrated Russians). Besides, your country is soon to become largest arm exporter to largest arms importer. I guess it's more than enough to do whatever it takes to sell EL-2052 tech, no?

 

[pack leader]

mr. Rahul Singh
please read post 18
we cant violet bilateral agreements with America
for cash only (political loss and no political gain)
will India help fund our army ?
or maybe protect us on SC meetings ?
the answer is no !!!! sow stop bean a hypocrite

 

[Rahul Singh]

One question that comes to my mind is, how much paki navy decision to buy 6 more subs (which will bring total to 12-13 subs) will affect navy underwater fighting doctrine(immediate). Today submarine strength has shrunken to 10-11 and we have contract for only 6 SSKs in place. Will NHQ revise numbers planned for second line? Won't it be much better if it simultaneously launch indigenous SSK program with second line? With more than enough infrastructure in place, sufficient experience and vendor pool, i wonder why is navy reluctant?

 

[pankaj nema]

@ Pack leader

Very recently there was a news in Juraselem Post that Israel arms sales have hit a record 7.2 billion dollar per annum and that India is the largest customer of Israel

So for India you can BEND a few US RULES ,I guess .

Here is the Maths

The arms market is very competitive TURKEY is NOT BUYING Israeli arms AND INDIA has the CASH

 

[pack leader]

as long as an Israeli system has American content and you cant get American approval we will not sell it
(like elta 2052 / arrow rocket )
any system that is 100% Israeli will be sold to you with out question as you are trust worthy
( like barak / green pine/ lahat)
a good solution will be JV for systems India intends to buy forcing American money out creating
a sanction proof high tot weapons

 

[LETHALFORCE]

This is another experiment where Pakistan is the guinea pig for unknown,untested Chinese weapons.

 

[Rahul Singh]

mr. Rahul Singh
please read post 18
we cant violet bilateral agreements with America
for cash only (political loss and no political gain)
will India help fund our army ?
or maybe protect us on SC meetings ?
the answer is no !!!! sow stop bean a hypocrite

. What made you so eagerly judge those words as 'HYPOCRACY'? Doing whatever doesn't mean selling technology illegally, i am not chinese btw. Remember Phalcon days, did you brought to us that tech by illegal means? It seems, you are forgetting that diplomacy and lobbying are still prevalent.

 

[pack leader]

Falcon is 100% Israeli tech the Americans arm twisted us (it happens in small-country super-power relationships )
in elta 2052 there is 20% American tech selling it to you without consent will violet written agreements
and hamper our access to American tech in the future

 

[Rahul Singh]

@ Pack leader

Very recently there was a news in Juraselem Post that Israel arms sales have hit a record 7.2 billion dollar per annum and that India is the largest customer of Israel

So for India you can BEND a few US RULES ,I guess .

Here is the Maths

The arms market is very competitive TURKEY is NOT BUYING Israeli arms AND INDIA has the CASH

Israelis are not stupid. They know American jets are now out of race and their EL-2032 is no more in competition with APG-79-80 and a bit of lobbying is more than enough to get nod. Barring EL-2052 sell had much to do with chances of American jets in M-MRCA competition. What more they even barred Israel from supplying equipments to SAAB for JAS-39NG.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

This ELTA issue should not be an obstacle, India can "consult" with Israel in helping us develop an AESA radar. Pack leader is right there is a lot of pressure on Israel by USA when it comes to weapons. The X-band radar in Israel is only 100% accessible to USA staff

 

[Rahul Singh]

LF. LRDE is not looking for JV. What it is looking for instead is development partner who can supply required systems for its AESA MMR that includes X band array. If Israel finally backs out, then it will be CAPTOR-E for sure. LRDE is not developing fully indigenous version for LCA MK-2, atleast, time doesn't permits.