I know your reply was not for me, But i would like to offer my two cents as well
Rafale,typhoon and gripen were offered to Pakistan in the past.But due to 2005 we turned down our decesion.I hope u remember.
Well for starters. Lets be honest, companies make these machines and will sell it to almost anyone that can help them make a profit.
Currently that anyone is not Pakistan.
If you are not aware your Country passed a law preventing the acquisition of any twin engine fighter aircraft into the PAF . This was done in an attempt to cut costs and make the current fleet size more affordable.
That means the EF and French Rafael are out, full stop. And even if you managed to get the cash to buy a size able fleet. Its an affordable option.
That leaves us with the SAAB Griphen. well is suppose you could get that, Sweden is a neutral country it does not take sides. But turns out you could not even find that affordable either.
And my last point on this. All the machines offered to Pakistan were of a significantly less advanced to the one offered to India.
EF to India comes with new A2G weapons, AESA , trust vectoring and almost full ToT
Rafael to India comes with AESA and Full ToT including source codes for the radar, and Even assistance in installing the Kaveri Engine into the Rafael.
SAAB is also upping the game to India by not just offering the Griphen but the
Griphen NG, a significantly more advanced machine.
In fact all the offers made to India for the MMRCA were planes that had to have their features improved through New R&D. Because as they are in their present form, They cant even qualify for the MMRCA deal.
That's whats been offered to India
State of the Art Tech, which is still undergoing Field testing
French sold us Agostas and sold u scorpenes?
So what are trying to prove, Scorpène class submarine are the much more advanced successors to the Agostas.
In fact more countries have bought Scorpène class submarine's then they have Agostas
Brazil in fact is so confident in its design that
In 2008, the Brazilian Navy ordered four Scorpène. There are also reports that a fifth hull has been ordered to be fitted with an indigenously developed nuclear propulsion plant.
and now they are offering us there 5th generation Marlene?
Give me a source about this offer, as far as i understand, it is the The Pakistan Navy that is currently evaluating the possibility of purchasing 3 Marlin class boats to replace its decommissioned Daphné class submarine.
No offer has been made yet.
Either way, India has much more leverage in France then Pakistan.
they offered us radars for JF-17 MICA radars as well as sold u Mirage 2000s.
Correction they may have offered you some radar for the JF17 upgrades.
But India was offered.
The French government has cleared full technology transfer of the Rafale to India, including that of the RBE2-AA Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar (which will be integrated with the Rafale by 2010) and the transfer of software source codes, which will allow Indian scientists to re-programme a radar or any sensitive equipment if need be. Without the software source codes, the IAF would have to specify mission parameters to foreign manufacturers to enable configuration of their radar, seriously compromising security in the process.
Dassault has also offered to fit the Kaveri engine into the Rafale, which, if chosen, which would greatly improve commonality with the Tejas aircraft that will enter service into the IAF by 2010. Concerns have been raised about cost issues as well as potential sales to Pakistan, which has also expressed interest in the Rafale. However, no such jets have been sold to Pakistan, and India and France have recently agreed to "go beyond a buyer-seller relationship".
http://www.domain-b.com/aero/mil_avi/mil_aircraft/20081105_dassault.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/11/11/318499/new-radar-could-boost-rafales-export-prospects.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1576672/France-and-India-deepen-defence-ties.html
Also lets not forget They are also Upgrading the IAF Mirage Fleet for 2.1 billion dollars.
Germans offering us U-214 Boats which are 95% completed according to german officials.
No subs have been seen for years. Its been in Lingo years.
Whilst Germany Makes statements like this.
http://beta.thehindu.com/news/international/article97199.ece
On the eve of its President Horst Koehler’s visit, Germany said India had sprung a “nasty surprise” on it by cancelling a billion-dollar tender for aircraft refuellers and held the Indian bureaucracy liable for not being able to ready four pacts for signing.
Berlin said that as a leader in civil nuclear technology, especially in the safety field, it was prepared to look at the prospects of collaboration in a “positive way” but had not received a request for specific areas in which India was interested.
“For the multi-role tanker tenders, our aircraft [European] was chosen but it came as a nasty surprise for us and [it was] very disappointing [that] it was rejected at the political level. We were not explained the reason in detail and it seems quality was not exactly the criteria,” German Ambassador Thomas Matussek told journalists here on Friday.
Germany wanted to sign several agreements during Dr. Koehler’s visit but they were not cleared by India on grounds that the bureaucratic procedure would take some time.
Germany was most keen on inking a memorandum of understanding for cooperation in security and anti-terrorism to follow up on the real-time exchange of information taking place between intelligence agencies of the two countries. Though the draft was sent last July, the Ministries of External Affairs and Home were still discussing it and thereafter it would have to be put up to the Cabinet for approval. “I spoke to Mr. Chidambaram and he said he will push very hard for it,” observed Mr. Matussek.
Germany was also miffed over the last-minute pulling out of an Indian team for a course on counter-intelligence and felt it would be tough for the organisers to accommodate Indians in future if this attitude continued.
An agreement on economic and technical cooperation worth about Rs. 2,500 crore also could not be finalised despite being initialled last year as was the proposed pact on corporate and social responsibility. A fourth pact on social security too is still being negotiated.
Nevertheless, Mr. Matussek took comfort from the fact that these agreements would be signed in future and both sides were going ahead with closer partnerships in a number of fields. Dr. Koehler’s visit, he said, signals Germany’s desire to enrich and deepen the strategic partnership.
And despite the cancellation, Germany believes it is still in the race for this re-tendered competition as well as for supplying 126 fighters and engines for an indigenously built combat aircraft. Though the cutting edge technology will not come cheap, the German Ambassador maintained that the cost of maintaining European military hardware will be less than the offerings by competitors from the U.S. and Russia. Another advantage over the U.S. was that Germany would not insist on monitoring procedures including on-the-spot inspections.
Dr. Koehler will arrive here on February 1 and during his nearly week-long stay, interact with the entire top political leadership. He will also visit Pune and Mumbai.
Germany seems very intent of furthering the relationship with India, I wonder why India has been so Unresponsive to Germany's overtures.
Give Germany enough of a guaranteed Incentive and it will Dump the U-214 deal with Pakistan. If They felt differently they would have already sold you those submarines .
From My POV Germany seems to be considering its options
Sweden sold us SAAB AWACS.
AWACS is a non offensive weapons system.
and there is no ToT what so ever on the purchase.
Also SAAB is involved in about 20 different defense projects India. The largest being the MMRCA. It is also looking to partner up with India firms.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch#!videos=M8Vqh3ZAPwg&v=8VTMGoBGokg[/video]
SAAB is looking to invest a lot in India, A few sales to Pakistan is not their top priority.
Russia has always been ur ally still it sold RD-93s to us indirectly while india tried its uttmost.
But you dont get the joke of the whole deal do you.
Your getting your Jet engines from your Arch Rivals Best friend.
Off course Russia has its own Foreign policy and it can act as it see's fit.
You are none the less getting an engine that India knows everything about.
An engine that makes the JF-17 more underpowered then the Tejas.
An engine bought from a company that does extensive work with India.
Not only can India have an Approximate number of JF-17's and spares. through Info on sales of the RD-93
During and after wartime. It reduces Pakistan's Ability to replace losses.
Honestly, how can you site that as a positive, Russia is very Unreliable supplier to Pakistan and Huge security Leak with regards to India's relations with Russia.
Its certainly not in their Interests to Upset their Largest importer of weapons and their Biggest Strategic Partner.
We are not the boss of Russia, But Russia has a vested Interest in Good relations with India. They felt indirect sales of engines would not jeopardize those interests, then i guess there was a Punch line we all missed.