MiG 21s to be phased out from 2014

[lord]

According to TOI 45% of crashes occur because of human error..That is because we all know whats the condition with our training aircraft hpt32 deepak and kiran.. pilots dont get sufficient flying hours.. even if they get they have to avoid complex maneuvers since aircraft condition is not so good..

This results in lack of training.. after that pilots are assigned to aircraft progressively.. mig 21 is the first they get.. hence majority of crashes are of mig 21..

 

[ace009]

According to TOI 45% of crashes occur because of human error..That is because we all know whats the condition with our training aircraft hpt32 deepak and kiran.. pilots dont get sufficient flying hours.. even if they get they have to avoid complex maneuvers since aircraft condition is not so good..

This results in lack of training.. after that pilots are assigned to aircraft progressively.. mig 21 is the first they get.. hence majority of crashes are of mig 21..

Also, remember that a number of Mig 21 crashed due to leaking fuel lines - after that there were flight control issues. "Human error" might not just mean pilots fault. Bad equipment can increase the chances of pilot error significantly.

 

[Godless-Kafir]

WHat hap to the NLCA? They said it will be tested this month?

 

[Immanuel]

WHat hap to the NLCA? They said it will be tested this month?

Its undergoing engine intergration and pre firtst flight ground testing. Will take to the air when all that work is done. They are taking it slow and careful to ensure first flightis smoother than butter. should happen soon, i would say a few more weeks.

 

[JAISWAL]

New Delhi: MiG 21s, which have often been involved in frequent crashes, will start getting phased out from 2014 setting the stage for giving the IAF a "new look" with the induction of modern next generation aircraft.

"MiG 21s which constitute around 40 per cent of the IAF fleet will start getting phased out from 2014... With the induction of modern next generation aircraft such as the FGFA and MMRCA, the IAF will be a new look force," Defence Minister A K Antony said. Indian Air Force(IAF) is on course to induct Su-30MKI, Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft and 126 new medium-multirole combat aircraft (MMRCA).

Antony was addressing a meeting of Parliament's Consultative Committee of the Defence Ministry on the state-owned aerospace major Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

The IAF has already begun the process of phasing out the older variants of the MiG 21s and it is expecting to complete the process by the end of 2017.

Last year, a total of seven fighter aircraft had crashed of which six were MiG 21 variants.

The IAF) has inducted a total of 946 MiG-21s in its fleet and 476 of them have been lost in various accidents over the past 45 years.

In a recent report, the ministry acknowledged that most of these accidents had occurred due to obsolete technology.
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MiG 21s to be phased out from 2014: Antony

 

[p2prada]

Good news. If 2014 is the date for Bisons, then the older variants will be gone this year. Not bad.

A bad end for one of the best fighters of the era.

 

[Armand2REP]

The downside is the fall in squadron numbers. Rafale is 3 years from induction of the first squadron (2015), and FGFA isn't going to be seen until after 2020. MKI production still remains on one line.

 

[p2prada]

The downside is the fall in squadron numbers. Rafale is 3 years from induction of the first squadron (2015), and FGFA isn't going to be seen until after 2020. MKI production still remains on one line.

A downward spiral from 2011 to 2017 is expected. That's when squadron strength at 29 will be a little above PAF's 26. We will at least see one squadron of Rafale by then. From 2017 to 2022, the squadron strength will go up from 29 to 42.5.

 

[Mad Indian]

He he, its already being phased out right now rather in an unplanned manner

 

[arya]

yes phased out but pls buy some remote control planes for our IAF

how will IAF fight without fighter planes , how many minimum squ should be in india

 

[Kunal Biswas]

It was reported on 3 October 2011 that the Tejas' Final Operational Clearance (FOC) to December 2013, In that case addition 8 units to existing 16 units by 2014, It is said 8 units per year, Anyways..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

how many minimum squ should be in india

Indian Airforce Plans to have about 42 Operational Fighter Squadrons by 2022, currently operational are about 32.5 Squadrons

But the Optimal Recommended strength for the Indian Air Force to Achive Complete Air dominance over the skies of the sub continent is suggested to be 64 squadrons strength.

 

[Godless-Kafir]

Some of the Mig-21s are unflyable, however anyone seen any pic of Tejas with the Mig-21? The Tejas is perfect to replace the Mig-21.

 

[SPIEZ]

Finally good news for the pilots. Hope LCA comes good soon.

 

[p2prada]

Yeah. The LCA was always meant to be a direct replacement for the Mig-21. You can say a 4th gen Mirage-2000 type aircraft will replace the 2nd gen Mig-21.

The AMCA can be more ambitious.

 

[Payeng]

Indian Airforce Plans to have about 42 Operational Fighter Squadrons by 2022, currently operational are about 32.5 Squadrons

But the Optimal Recommended strength for the Indian Air Force to Achive Complete Air dominance over the skies of the sub continent is suggested to be 64 squadrons strength.

What is 32.5 benchmark all about? is it the ratio of total number of aircraft to Squadron or just formation of squadron in IAF ?

 

[ace009]

Indian Airforce Plans to have about 42 Operational Fighter Squadrons by 2022, currently operational are about 32.5 Squadrons

But the Optimal Recommended strength for the Indian Air Force to Achive Complete Air dominance over the skies of the sub continent is suggested to be 64 squadrons strength.

64 Squadrons! With reserves, if there are 20 aircraft in every squadron, then it means a total of 1280 fighters!

Even for 42.5 Squadrons that's 850 fighters - by 2025 that looks like

~100 FGFA/ PAK-FA
~270 MKIs
~180 Rafales
~180 Older planes (Mig-29, Mirages, Jaguar) etc
~120 LCAs

That still does not make the numbers by 2025. What are IAFs plans?

How will they get 1280 fighters by 2030 and what will the composition look like?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

64 Squadrons! With reserves, if there are 20 aircraft in every squadron, then it means a total of 1280 fighters!

Even for 42.5 Squadrons that's 850 fighters - by 2025 that looks like

~100 FGFA/ PAK-FA
~270 MKIs
~180 Rafales
~180 Older planes (Mig-29, Mirages, Jaguar) etc
~120 LCAs

That still does not make the numbers by 2025. What are IAFs plans?
How will they get 1280 fighters by 2030 and what will the composition look like?

The IAF is reported to have a requirement for 200 single-seat and 20 two-seat conversion trainers,The first Tejas Mk2 prototype will fly by December 2013, following which the MoD-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) would begin series-producing the MRCA by 2015. While the IAF is committed to procuring an initial 83 Tejas Mk2s,

The IAF hinted the number of MRCA can go above nearly 200..

214 fgfa

IAF is increasing its Squadrons numbers...

 

[blueblood]

64 Squadrons! With reserves, if there are 20 aircraft in every squadron, then it means a total of 1280 fighters!

64 squad was proposed in post 62 reforms but never materialized. Each IAF squad comprises of 21 aircrafts, 18 fighters and 3 trainers.

 

[ace009]

64 squad was proposed in post 62 reforms but never materialized. Each IAF squad comprises of 21 aircrafts, 18 fighters and 3 trainers.

18 fighters? Is that 4 squads of 4 fighters with 2 reserves?
Also, there was a discussion beore on this forum about havinv 49 operational tactical fighter squadrons by 2025 in IAF. Now I am hearing 64.