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India climbs 13 spots to 130 in Economic Freedom Index

https://www.thehindubusinessline.co...in-economic-freedom-index/article23511379.ece

India has jumped 13 places in the last one year to be at 130th spot in the latest annual Index of Economic Freedom released by a top American think-tank. In 2017, India with a score of 52.6 points was ranked at 143 among 180 countries, two spots below neighbour Pakistan, according to the Index of Economic Freedom.

China with 57.4 points was ranked 111 in the 2017 index of The Heritage Foundation, an American conservative public policy think-tank based in Washington. As per the latest Index of Economic Freedom, China has jumped one spot and Pakistan is now at 131 position.
 

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Taiwan to open trade office in India

Taiwan will next month open a trade office in New Delhi, part of its efforts to expand business ties with Asia's third largest economy amid China's insistence on One China policy, a senior Taiwanese trade official said on Tuesday.

India's bilateral trade with the island-nation is expanding steadily touching $6.3 billion in 2017, up a quarter on the previous year.

Since 2000, Taiwanese companies have invested just $287 million in India. But India expects this to go up once Taiwan's Foxconn, electronics manufacturer and a key supplier to Apple Inc, puts an earlier announced $5 billion investment into India.
 

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India is world’s sixth largest economy at $2.6 trillion, says IMF

India’s Gross Domestic Product (GDP), the worth of the economy, clocked in at $2.6 trillion for 2017, according to the database of the International Monetary Fund’s World Economic Outlook (WEO) for April 2018.

That is well over the $2.5 trillion milestone that supposedly separates big economies from pretenders.

India is now the world’s sixth largest economy, displacing France. The five economies ahead are the United States, China, Japan, Germany and United Kingdom.

“This is a landmark development for India,” said an official in the finance ministry in New Delhi, and insisted that though it might look symbolic, implications were more far-reaching than immediately apparent.

“These horse races and their numbers matter and work to shape opinion, and more importantly we hope, influence investment decisions,” the official added.


The ongoing spring meetings of the World Bank-IMF group have brought a steady stream of good news for India, with, it must be acknowledged, the necessary and repetitive caveats, admonitions and prescriptions, such as the dire need for reforms in labour laws (read allow easy exit for failing enterprises, a key trigger for innovation) and land acquisition.

Both the World Bank and IMF have said in their respective reports and projections that India has finally overcome the adverse impact of the predictably but needed measures to demonetise the economy and introduce a unified system of taxation for goods and services, no matter how disruptive they were.

The Fund acknowledged the Indian turnaround but kept its growth forecast unchanged to 7.4% for 2018 — and 7.8% in 2019, up from 6.7% in 2017.

The World Bank was more bullish — forecasting growth from 6.7% in 2017 to 7.3% in 2018 and to subsequently stabilise at 7.5% in 2019 and 2020.

It went on to conclude that the Indian economy had not only recovered but had made up enough ground to catapult South Asia to the top of the chart as the world’s fastest growing region. Again.

In the GDP horse race, France is projected to make up the loss to India, by a very narrow margin, and recover the sixth slot in 2018 relegating India to the seventh position it has held for a few years now, with $2.9 trillion to India’s $2.8 trillion — separated narrowly as it would be economies of this size by billions.

But Indian officials said they were confident India would hold on to the present position — number sixth — despite the dynamic nature of the GDP projections — based on a certain calculation factoring local prices and the US dollar exchange rate.

Year 2018 appeared to be up in the air based on the same IMF numbers and projections. But 2019 was clearly in the blue corner. India is projected to cross the $3 trillion mark then, overtaking both France and Britain for the prized slot in the top five economies — as the fifth largest.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/busi...on-says-imf/story-7wXZPXSWlvvImlAvpLKeNL.html

:clap2: .5th spot by 2019 would be an excellent achievement.
 

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Surprised to see The Economist having to post balanced stuff on India
https://www.economist.com/news/lead...ging-long-may-it-last-humbling-indias-tycoons

The humbling of India’s tycoons
The nature of Indian capitalism is changing. Long may it last


FOR decades, personal connections have provided a well-trodden path to success in Indian business. State-owned banks provided cheap financing for firms whose success often rested on winning official approvals. If a venture soured, the taxpayer frequently ended up being left to shoulder losses. There are plenty of gifted businesspeople in India. But cronyism, not competition, has been the surest route to riches, even after the partial dismantling of the “licence raj” nearly three decades ago.

A new era of Indian capitalism may be dawning. For the first time a large number of struggling tycoons face the prospect of having their businesses seized from them. The fate of 12 troubled large concerns is due to be settled within weeks; another 28 cases are set to be resolved by September. Between them, these firms account for about 40% of loans that banks themselves think are unlikely to be repaid. For enforcing a bankruptcy system that is usually skirted by those with connections, the government of Narendra Modi deserves much credit. Yet the job is far from done.

Consider first the system that is under assault. Industries such as power generation, mining, telecoms and infrastructure require large chunks of capital and lots of interactions with the government. That attracted plenty of entrepreneurs whose core competence was using their connections with officials, in order both to win the necessary permits and to secure financing from state-owned lenders. Many tycoons could count on ministers to put in a word with a recalcitrant banker. Some held political office themselves. If things went awry, bankers would frequently extend repayment periods indefinitely, if only to preserve their own blushes. Overburdened courts were unequal to the task of enforcing contracts.

The unscrupulous among the tycoons went further still. Some are thought to have padded cost estimates so that they got bigger bank loans than required, meaning that they could secure assets without putting any of their own money in. Whether a business was profitable was not always material, since it could enrich owners in other ways—by awarding lucrative contracts to firms controlled by family members, say.

This system is under a three-pronged assault. The first is a reformed bankruptcy code that makes the seizure of businesses easier (see article). A new set of dedicated courts, backed by a cadre of insolvency professionals, is on hand to help banks seize assets and sell them to fresh owners. To focus the minds of both bankers and borrowers, if no deal can be cut within nine months—a jiffy by Indian legal standards—the firm is shut down and its equipment sold for scrap. This is the point in the process now being reached by the first dozen defaulters.

The second threat to the tycoons is the grievous state of the state-owned banks. Their losses have ballooned. The authorities, tired of recurring bail-outs, are forcing them to recognise which loans are unlikely to be repaid, and to initiate insolvency proceedings in double-quick time. Though their governance remains parlous, at least these banks are no longer able to hide the extent of their problems.

Third, most tycoons have lost influence in Delhi, as politicians from Mr Modi down realise the toxicity of being seen to be in cahoots with “bollygarchs”. Some of India’s grandest businessmen complain that they can no longer get in to meet the prime minister, who much prefers wooing foreign bosses instead. To increase transparency, some state assets are now auctioned online.

To ensure permanent change will require deeper reforms, however. If wholesale ministerial corruption is reportedly much reduced, there is still little clarity over how political parties are financed. They will spend something like $5bn between now and federal elections expected in spring 2019, little of which will be publicly accounted for. To loosen the political-crony nexus further, it would help to end the system whereby parties can raise funds through anonymous donations.

Making India less bureaucratic would also be a boon. A certain brand of tycoon has thrived because getting things done often requires sharp elbows and sharper business practices. Magnates who are politically astute will still have an edge if knowing how to dodge a price cap imposed on a ministerial whim, for example, is a surer guide to success than knowing how to run a factory. Such shenanigans have not stopped.

Rich pickings

Reforming the state-owned banks is the most important task of all. Their balance-sheets are where you find 70% of loans and nearly 100% of problems. Ensuring banks make commercial decisions can only realistically be achieved by privatising at least some of them. Privatised banks would also be free to pay salaries to attract talented staff. The bosses at state-owned banks currently earn under $50,000 a year, a pittance even by Indian executive standards—and it shows.

A decent financial system is the best defence against cronyism. Sadly, this kind of reform still seems to be anathema to Mr Modi. He has made a start on tackling the tycoons. But if he is to entrench a revolution in Indian capitalism, he must do more.
 

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One more article on The Economist on same topic
https://www.economist.com/news/busi...large-firms-have-already-effect-gone-bust-new
A new bankruptcy code is reshaping Indian business
Tycoons are under the cosh, and a dozen large firms have already in effect gone bust



ENRIQUE IGLESIAS, a Spanish pop singer, plays an unlikely part in the story of Indian capitalism. His presence at a party to mark Vijay Mallya’s 60th birthday, in December 2015, was, literally, a showstopper. A flamboyant booze heir, Mr Mallya was then best known for founding Kingfisher Airlines, which had earlier imploded because of its debts. Given that he had personally guaranteed some of these loans, the self-proclaimed “king of good times” was assumed to have been chastened. Upon hearing of Mr Iglesias’s performance, bankers—and politicians—started asking how Mr Mallya had continued to live so large. The party had lasted for three days.

Mr Mallya is hardly the only embattled Indian tycoon to have cocked a snook at his bankers. Some “promoters” of companies, as founding shareholders of Indian companies are known, have long made full use of a loophole of local corporate law that thwarted banks’ attempts to seize companies in default on their loans. A bunged-up court system made foreclosure all but impossible, so owners of even the sickliest of companies could spend lavishly without fear of repercussions.

The party is now over. Mr Mallya fled to London soon after the bash (Indian authorities are trying to extradite him on charges of fraud, which he denies). But the spotlight on him gave fresh impetus to discussions about finding ways to reign in failed promoters. A new bankruptcy code entered into force in May 2016, and after almost two years of preparation, governs the final rulings on its first big cases this month. Tycoons who had once fobbed off bankers are now getting turfed out of companies they had held onto for decades despite repeated defaults. As a result the outlines of a fresh era in Indian capitalism are taking shape.

The law is brutal for those who fall foul of their creditors. Promoters who have defaulted are explicitly banned from staying on as owners, following an amendment made to the code in November. If a firm is found to be insolvent by a specialised tribunal, the company’s board is in effect fired and an independent expert appointed to run the firm on behalf of its lenders. (In America, say, the owners of an insolvent firm usually continue to run it.) The new manager then prepares the company for fresh investors. If creditors cannot reach a deal in nine months, the business is liquidated and its assets sold for scrap—a bad outcome for all parties.

Before the code came in, promoters were able to stay on as managers in the stricken firms, which some unscrupulous moguls used as an opportunity to drain them of cash. Their position at the helm also gave them leverage in negotiations with bankers, who often had little choice but to agree to debt reduction.

The result of the new regime, says Rashesh Shah of Edelweiss, an investment bank, has been lively auctions for companies once thought to be impossible to liberate from their promoters’ grasp. A dozen large firms, that were in effect pushed into bankruptcy by the authorities last summer and given nine months to sort out the mess, have attracted winning bids from far and wide, including from the Tata Group and Vedanta, a mining giant. Deep pools of capital, such as Canadian pension funds, private-equity firms and the World Bank’s commercial arm, are among those looking to buy “distressed” assets.

Just this dozen big cases account for around 2.2trn rupees ($33.4bn) of bank debt. That is about a quarter of all the loans banks have already admitted are unlikely to be repaid. Nearly all of the problems lie with state-owned lenders, which have long made injudicious loans to large industrial projects, such as shipbuilding, steel or infrastructure, which have proven especially prone to default.

A further pipeline of 28 cases is due to be resolved by September, accounting for another 2trn rupees or so of bad loans. These include coal-fired power plants that are uneconomical to run, for which liquidation is a real possibility. All told, over 1,500 companies are said to have been deemed insolvent by the courts. The cases of several thousand more are pending.

The consequences are still being gauged. Lots of “zombie” companies which ambled on for years despite being unable to repay their debts may be acquired by healthier firms or closed down. Such consolidation will bring industry-wide benefits. And the share prices of firms owned by promoters with reputations for transparent corporate governance are already trading at a premium, says Sanjeev Prasad of Kotak, a bank.

But the disruption will have short-term economic costs. Many healthy firms deciding whether to build plants are waiting to see if they can buy distressed assets on the cheap instead, which prolongs a depression in the investment cycle. State-owned banks face hefty losses. Except for steel plants (which have returned to profit thanks to a resurgence in metals prices), investors sniffing out bargains are offering to buy bankrupt firms for less than half the face value of their outstanding loans, says Ashish Gupta of Credit Suisse, another bank. In one instance banks got just six cents on the dollar.

The bankers’ current pain will be the system’s future gain. The aim of the new law is as much to prevent future wrongdoing as to recover outstanding loans. Ashwini Mehra of Duff & Phelps, an advisory group, says promoters now approach banks well ahead of potential insolvency, in the hope of working something out before it is too late. That is an encouraging sign that the balance of power between debtors and creditors is shifting. “If you failed in business before, nobody thought there was a price to pay,” says Raamdeo Agrawal of Motilal Oswal, an asset manager. “Now, people aren’t so sure.”
 

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That awkward moment when even The Economist praises Modi...

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The humbling of India’s tycoons

The nature of Indian capitalism is changing. Long may it last

https://www.economist.com/news/lead...ging-long-may-it-last-humbling-indias-tycoons

FOR decades, personal connections have provided a well-trodden path to success in Indian business. State-owned banks provided cheap financing for firms whose success often rested on winning official approvals. If a venture soured, the taxpayer frequently ended up being left to shoulder losses. There are plenty of gifted businesspeople in India. But cronyism, not competition, has been the surest route to riches, even after the partial dismantling of the “licence raj” nearly three decades ago.

A new era of Indian capitalism may be dawning. For the first time a large number of struggling tycoons face the prospect of having their businesses seized from them. The fate of 12 troubled large concerns is due to be settled within weeks; another 28 cases are set to be resolved by September. Between them, these firms account for about 40% of loans that banks themselves think are unlikely to be repaid. For enforcing a bankruptcy system that is usually skirted by those with connections, the government of Narendra Modi deserves much credit. Yet the job is far from done.


Consider first the system that is under assault. Industries such as power generation, mining, telecoms and infrastructure require large chunks of capital and lots of interactions with the government. That attracted plenty of entrepreneurs whose core competence was using their connections with officials, in order both to win the necessary permits and to secure financing from state-owned lenders. Many tycoons could count on ministers to put in a word with a recalcitrant banker. Some held political office themselves. If things went awry, bankers would frequently extend repayment periods indefinitely, if only to preserve their own blushes. Overburdened courts were unequal to the task of enforcing contracts.

The unscrupulous among the tycoons went further still. Some are thought to have padded cost estimates so that they got bigger bank loans than required, meaning that they could secure assets without putting any of their own money in. Whether a business was profitable was not always material, since it could enrich owners in other ways—by awarding lucrative contracts to firms controlled by family members, say.

This system is under a three-pronged assault. The first is a reformed bankruptcy code that makes the seizure of businesses easier (see article). A new set of dedicated courts, backed by a cadre of insolvency professionals, is on hand to help banks seize assets and sell them to fresh owners. To focus the minds of both bankers and borrowers, if no deal can be cut within nine months—a jiffy by Indian legal standards—the firm is shut down and its equipment sold for scrap. This is the point in the process now being reached by the first dozen defaulters.

The second threat to the tycoons is the grievous state of the state-owned banks. Their losses have ballooned. The authorities, tired of recurring bail-outs, are forcing them to recognise which loans are unlikely to be repaid, and to initiate insolvency proceedings in double-quick time. Though their governance remains parlous, at least these banks are no longer able to hide the extent of their problems.

Third, most tycoons have lost influence in Delhi, as politicians from Mr Modi down realise the toxicity of being seen to be in cahoots with “bollygarchs”. Some of India’s grandest businessmen complain that they can no longer get in to meet the prime minister, who much prefers wooing foreign bosses instead. To increase transparency, some state assets are now auctioned online.

To ensure permanent change will require deeper reforms, however. If wholesale ministerial corruption is reportedly much reduced, there is still little clarity over how political parties are financed. They will spend something like $5bn between now and federal elections expected in spring 2019, little of which will be publicly accounted for. To loosen the political-crony nexus further, it would help to end the system whereby parties can raise funds through anonymous donations.

Making India less bureaucratic would also be a boon. A certain brand of tycoon has thrived because getting things done often requires sharp elbows and sharper business practices. Magnates who are politically astute will still have an edge if knowing how to dodge a price cap imposed on a ministerial whim, for example, is a surer guide to success than knowing how to run a factory. Such shenanigans have not stopped.

Rich pickings

Reforming the state-owned banks is the most important task of all. Their balance-sheets are where you find 70% of loans and nearly 100% of problems. Ensuring banks make commercial decisions can only realistically be achieved by privatising at least some of them. Privatised banks would also be free to pay salaries to attract talented staff. The bosses at state-owned banks currently earn under $50,000 a year, a pittance even by Indian executive standards—and it shows.

A decent financial system is the best defence against cronyism. Sadly, this kind of reform still seems to be anathema to Mr Modi. He has made a start on tackling the tycoons. But if he is to entrench a revolution in Indian capitalism, he must do more.
 

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Year 2018 appeared to be up in the air based on the same IMF numbers and projections. But 2019 was clearly in the blue corner. India is projected to cross the $3 trillion mark then, overtaking both France and Britain for the prized slot in the top five economies — as the fifth largest.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/busi...on-says-imf/story-7wXZPXSWlvvImlAvpLKeNL.html

:clap2: .5th spot by 2019 would be an excellent achievement.
Let's see what RaGa tweets. Probably this:

@RaGA False report by WB and IMF. They have been bribed by the BJP to publish this. WB and IMF functionaries are part of the RSS. Modi needs to answer......

 

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We've hit 2trillion mark in 2014, within 5 yrs we'll grow another trillion.

We're expected to reach 5 trillion by 2024.

It is quite fascinating to hear such growth.

If we grow like this then my children will study as India is a developed country.
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While this is great news, im still skeptical about this whole adding a billion every few years theory... that has held true for countries which have large export driven manufacturing economies unlike ours.. if you look at our export mix we produce nothing which is of value to the world!
 

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While this is great news, im still skeptical about this whole adding a billion every few years theory... that has held true for countries which have large export driven manufacturing economies unlike ours.. if you look at our export mix we produce nothing which is of value to the world!
I am no expert in economics. It sounds like Greek & Latin to me.
 

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if you look at our export mix we produce nothing which is of value to the world!
Really? Nothing of value? Check this out.....

Steel production in India seen increasing to a record in FY18

India’s steel production rose to 86.7 million tonnes in the nine months to December 2017 from 73.96 million tonnes in the year-ago period, steel ministry data shows.

India, in fact, has been a net exporter of steel for the past 13 months and has surpassed Japan to be the world’s second largest exporter.


That's a value product we are exporting! Other high value products India exports are:

Petroleum products and chemicals

By volume, the Indian chemical industry was the third-largest producer in Asia, and contributed 5% of the country's GDP. India is one of the five-largest producers and exporters of agrochemicals, polymers and plastics, dyes and various organic and inorganic chemicals.

Pharmaceuticals

The Indian pharmaceutical industry has grown in recent years to become a major manufacturer of health care products to the world. The industry grew from $6 billion in 2005 to $36.7 billion in 2016, a compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of 17.46%. It is expected to grow at a CAGR of 15.92% to reach $55 billion in 2020. India is expected to become the sixth-largest pharmaceutical market in the world by 2020.

Engineering

India's engineering subsector exported $67 billion worth of engineering goods in the 2013–14 fiscal year slated to grow to over $80 billion in 2018-19. India is net exporter and the 12th-largest producer of machine tools in the world.

Gems and jewellery

After crude oil and petroleum products, the export of gold, precious metals, precious stones, gems and jewellery accounts for the largest portion of India's global trade. It is a growing sector of the Indian economy, and projected to grow to ₹500,000 crore (US$77 billion) by 2018.

There's more but I guess you get the point!




 

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Let me try and address the issue one by one:

1) Steel: Absolutely, a wonderful industry to cultivate but it should be a means to an end, not the end itself... Korea built a sprawling steel industry too but not because it wished to export steel but because steel was crucial to Automobiles and Shipbuilding, two industries it went on to dominate. At the end of the day if we are exporting steel its because the Indian economy couldn't abzorb the output which is a little disheartening don't you think? But still a stellar achievement nonetheless, we make more steel than the USA today

2) Petroleum and Byproducts: The peculiar problem this industry presents is the amount of water it needs, so the Middle Eastern countries despite having the raw ingredient (Oil) couldn't cook it well enough. So,what happens is all of them ship raw crude to India, our refineries do the last mile. By volume it is a phenomenally huge business but is tightly controlled by a few small players like Reliance, Essar who control almost 40% (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_refineries_in_India) of the installed capacity all of it in the state of Gujrat. Basically, the oil comes to these refineries and gets processed and ships out, in return the Ambanis and Ruias make a few cents per barrel but over a lot of barrels it is a lot of money. I really dont see how India gains from any of this

3) Pharmaceuticals: Globally a 1.12 trillion dollar industry and we do what 36 billion? which is 3%, nothing to be proud of really. We dominate the generics business which is just reverse engineering patented drugs and cracking the salt composition after they have moved out of the 30 year window. While, I admire the social impact this industry has had, in terms of rationalizing drug prices across the world for essential salts. It has negligible economic value add

4) Engineering: Any growth in this both laterally and horizontally is more than welcome, but too little too late tbh. We need to do a lot more if we are to become an economic powerhouse. How do i say that, below is the link to India's export mix which I mentioned earlier, look at how Rice and Diamonds figure prominently, it is a joke to even have them there. Machining tools and engineering equipment doesn't even figure on the smaller contributors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_India#/media/File:Treemap_of_India_Exports_(2016).png

5) Precious Stones:
Again pretty much the same as Petroleum products, come in from Africa... get polished in Surat and are flown out immediately to Brugge and Antwerp. Almost noone in India gains from this industry and it is heavily tax subsidized through SEZs. All it has done is made a few enterprising Gujratis very very rich.

Barring #4 none of these industries in their current dynamics holds the potential to transform our economic landscape.
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Since we're on the topic of power I always wonder why can't India go for Offshore wind power grid that might reduce the dependency on hydropower for coastal States
I believe there's a plan for the off shore wind project in Gujarat

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...f-shore-wind-project/articleshow/63719027.cms

“The global expression of interest (EoI) is intended to shortlist prospective offshore wind energy developers for a 1000 MW offshore wind energy project in Gulf of Khambat, off the coast of Gujarat,” an official statement from the Ministry of new and renewable energy said....
 

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@Alfalfa

I agree with some of your points. Though I would like to point out a few

1. Steel- Steel is also necessary for building infrastructure within. Highways, railway corridors, real estate all of it requires huge amounts of steel. Increased steel production is also an indicative of increased local demand as in the international market, China is already dumping steel at lower prices. I am not sure how much share we occupy over there.

2. Petroleum products- What these refineries are doing is value addition and developing expertise along the way. Their earnings translate to economic growth, more job opportunities and more tax revenues for the government.

3. Pharma- We can and must do much better and that will start by building a stronger R&D base both in academia and industry. China is pumping in huge amounts of money to expand and improve their scientific research base. It has started happening in India, but a long way to go.
 

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I agree with some of your points. Though I would like to point out a few

1. Steel- Steel is also necessary for building infrastructure within. Highways, railway corridors, real estate all of it requires huge amounts of steel. Increased steel production is also an indicative of increased local demand as in the international market, China is already dumping steel at lower prices. I am not sure how much share we occupy over there.

---- Nobody occupies any real space apart from China, they make 50% of the worlds steel, so despite their enormous appetite they still have more lying around than India's total production. Hence the dumping, 800 Mn tons is what they make opposed to 100 odd for us. So its safe to assume they dominate well over 50%. We export about 5 Mn Metric Tons, which isn't bad but is pocket change compared to what China exports. Another bit to note is China does this with a larger strategic intention as well, if you kill a countries steel industry you start the painful decline of their manufacturing industry as a whole. The UK and USA are prime examples, that is why steel is treated as such a crucial industry

2. Petroleum products- What these refineries are doing is value addition and developing expertise along the way. Their earnings translate to economic growth, more job opportunities and more tax revenues for the government.
----- Not really, once set up and fully staffed these refineries don't add jobs because they just intend to maintain production, similar to steel. I had a friend from IITB who worked in the Jamnagar factory, he didnt mince words when he said our refineries are 2-3 generations behind what the west use. How much research do or value add do you think a lala firm like IOCL or a baniya firm like Reliance does.. zilch

3. Pharma- We can and must do much better and that will start by building a stronger R&D base both in academia and industry. China is pumping in huge amounts of money to expand and improve their scientific research base. It has started happening in India, but a long way to go.

-- JNJ spends 8.2 Bn on R&D alone it is always a function of topline.. when Ranbaxy does a few hundred crores they cant expect to achieve any major breakthrough. In China a lot of R&D costs are cushioned by the govt. in India that ecosystem simply doesnt exist
 

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