India loses on Sri Lankan battleground

[Blackwater]

yes, our Land.

nah, i studied in world class school in Pakistan.

 

[pmaitra]

@Pak watan, please take some time off this thread and read the forum rules.

 

[Blackwater]

sorry we dont speak bihari here, please use Roman Hindi or Urdu.

it is phasto, cant u recognize it

 

[pmaitra]

@Sakal Gharelu Ustad, @sob, can you please review the thread? I have to go.

 

[Bornubus]

With Lankans, ill treatment of Tamils began mostly after spread of Angarika Dharmapala type of puritan Sectarian Buddhism & glorification of Sinhalese by spreading fables about how they are true Aryans.

I find it laughable that this Lankan kid is whining about how Indians are forcing an Indian identity on them when it's their own chronicle Mahavamasa that states the forefathers of Sinhalese, Vijaya & 700 men from lata desha who came on a boat, were north Indian , its their own Angarika who was desperate to coopt a mythical north Indian Aryan ancestry for Sinhalese. Mahavamsa is a Lankan work. Angarika was Lankan. Most Indian don't give a damn about Lanka or who they fraudulently claim to be, we just care about protecting our Geo strategic interests. Please get that straight.

Even Sri Lankan king was so much influenced by Ashoka that he named himself as Devnam Piyadasi.

 

[asingh10]

For that matter, even the last king of Lanka was a Telugu and not a Sinhalese. Nayak Kings were Telugu Buddhists who spoke Tamil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Vikrama_Rajasinha_of_Kandy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayaks_of_Kandy

 

[asingh10]

Even Sri Lankan king was so much influenced by Ashoka that he named himself as Devnam Piyadasi.

Devanampiya Tissa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanampiya_Tissa_of_Anuradhapura

Devanam Piyadasi is the title that Ashoka had taken on for himself.

 

[Screambowl]

can we stay on topic and keep the thread pure strategic. This is not a medievel history topic.

 

[HeinzGud]

What made you think that Hinduism is not a unified religion ?

Gautam Buddha was one of the greatest Hindu ever ...

If he was one of the greatest Hindu ever, why not convert into Buddhism and learn what he said.

How can Hinduism be unified when different people can worship different gods. Hinduism has very loose concepts on the god.

 

[HeinzGud]

With Lankans, ill treatment of Tamils began mostly after spread of Angarika Dharmapala type of puritan Sectarian Buddhism & glorification of Sinhalese by spreading fables about how they are true Aryans.

I find it laughable that this Lankan kid is whining about how Indians are forcing an Indian identity on them when it's their own chronicle Mahavamasa that states the forefathers of Sinhalese, Vijaya & 700 men from lata desha who came on a boat, were north Indian , its their own Angarika who was desperate to coopt a mythical north Indian Aryan ancestry for Sinhalese. Mahavamsa is a Lankan work. Angarika was Lankan. Most Indian don't give a damn about Lanka or who they fraudulently claim to be, we just care about protecting our Geo strategic interests. Please get that straight.

Dharmapala was misguided and wrong about Sinhalese origins. Bear in mind that he lived in the late 19th century when there were very little was known about Sinhalese and Sinhalese history.

Sinhalese aren't Aryans. We are mix of everything.

 

[HeinzGud]

First you were saying that North and South have different gods and now you deliberately changed it saying "in the past". Hindus Worship same gods. May be their rituals and practices are different but not gods. BTW what religion do you practice? Polytheism doesn't mean, one group worships one form of god and one group worships one form of god. They worship the same form but practice of worship is different. Ganesh, Hanuman, Vishnu, Shiva, Krishna, Rama all have their Individual forms and all Hindus acknowledge their existence.
Your understanding of polytheism shows how unguided you are in such matters. Do your research. Tell me one thing, In India, Christians exist in North and South, does that mean they worship different kinds of Jesus/Christ?

Hinduism has very vague description on divinity. Therefore, it is no surprise to me that Hindu's can worship any god if it's falls under the limits set up by Hindu scriptures.

 

[HeinzGud]

If you know, I was talking of other cities better than Mumbai.
OT: Mumbai is too densely populated to change. So, there's a new City called New Mumbai is being developed.
It is well planned and can be called a Shanghai at least if not New York.
If your bro didn't like Bangalore, send him to Chandigarh.

Chandigarh was also a planned city. Anyhow, my point is not building new cities. But why can't Indians beautify the old haphazardly developed old cities?

Anyway, what was he doing in Bangalore? I thought Sri Lanka is like Singapore of Subcontinent.

Conducting a research on how not to be dirty, selfish and stupid citizens.

 

[bose]

If he was one of the greatest Hindu ever, why not convert into Buddhism and learn what he said.

Gautam Buddha was against certain section of Hindu society [priest class] and not Hindu as a religion...

Gautam Buddha interpreted Hinduism in a different way... I am fine with it ... but it is Hinduism...

Almost all of India along with the great King Ashok also converted to Buddhism ... but you see there after all again converted back to Hinduism ...

There is no difference between Hinduism and Buddhism...

Do you say Mahayana Buddhism is different from TIBETIAN Buddhism or Tantric Buddhism ?
.

How can Hinduism be unified when different people can worship different gods. Hinduism has very loose concepts on the god.

GOD is one and only one... there can be any view of it ... Hinduism does not restrict anyone if one wants to see almighty god in a particular way...

 

[bengalraider]

Like i said in the other thread , If Sri Lanka wants to grow it needs India. China will at best use her as a fueling & repair depot(They're using Pakistan as a highway to the sea). Sri Lanka will continue to grow and post the highest per capita GDP in Asia by 2050 with average incomes touching 66,000$ nearly 50% of Germany there(yes they're ahead of both us a& the Chinese there) Indian per capita gdp shall touch approximately 35-40000$ by 2050. The Total Sri Lankan GDP will still be much lower though with only 1.3$tr to the Indian GDP of approximately 55$ tr by 2050.
The fact remains that whether @HeinzGud likes it or not his nation will be more integrated with India due to simple economic complusions.

That said id like to express my distress at how a simple economic and foreign policy thread has denigrated into a xenophobic mess, the mods @pmaitra @Singh @Yusuf need to crack the whip.

 

[bengalraider]

Just to return us all to the topic

All eyes on Colombo Port City

Original Master Plan of 233 hectares increased to 270 hectares - Sources

By Jithendra Antonio -
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Hot on the heels of Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe’s conclusion of China visit everyone’s and international community’s eyes were focused on what would happen to ‘Colombo Port City Project’ a project that was initiated by previous government mulling investments to the tune of US $ 1.5 billion. Once commenced and completed the project was said to be the largest Foreign Direct Investment in Sri Lanka in recent history.

According to reports China and Sri Lanka are both determined to push forward with a stalled Port City project in Colombo, following a meeting between the two country’s premiers. Sri Lanka’s government ordered a review of the US $1.5 billion Colombo Port City project last year, citing irregularities in the award of the contract to state-owned China Communications Construction Company (CCCC) by the previous government. But last month the Sri Lankan government, facing with a difficult economy, ordered the Chinese firm to resume work on the Colombo Port City.

However, both political and economic sources highlights that it is now revealed that original master plan by Chinese to have reclaimed nearly 233 hectares facing the Colombo Fort’s coastline has now been suggested to increase by another 37 hectares as Chinese have suffered over US $ 125 million worth losses since the new government came into power and suspended the port city project to ensure larger support from the other Asian giant India. Accordingly China Communications Construction Company (CCCC) has requested to extend the reclaimed land by another 37 hectares in case if Sri Lankan government cannot pay the penalty amount to the tune of US $ 125 million.

Earlier this week Prime Minister upon arrival from China said that there is ‘No Payment’ involved to be paid to China as ‘Penalty’. However, analysts opine that Prime Minister was tight lipped on any changes in original Port City extent plan. Deputy Minister Eran Wickramaratne also recently revealed at a media briefing that during the visit to China, Prime Minister Wickremesinghe will be negotiating a US$ 125 million penalty that the Chinese state firm is seeking from Sri Lanka for suspending work on the Port City project. He has assured that Sri Lanka will protect the lawful rights and interests of Chinese companies in line with its law and foster a sound environment for Chinese investors.
On the US$ 125 million compensation demanded by the Chinese firm for one year, he said now that project has been made a financial hub, the company may have to pay money to Sri Lanka, but did not elaborate.

Prime Minister Wickremesinghe also had said that India should not have any security concern regarding the Colombo Port City project since it has been re-negotiated with China. “Sri Lanka is prepared to discuss it with India further,” the Prime Minister said adding that his government has addressed India’s security concerns over the ‘newly-modified’ project.

However, earlier reports outlined that CCCC which had estimated that the shutdown would result in losses of more than US $ 380,000 a day, has sought compensation of $125 million, according to the Sri Lankan government, which has said it can’t pay and wants to negotiate.

Initially in 2014 the cost of the China Port City project was quoted to be US$ 1,337 million or Rs. 174 billion at Rs.130 for a US dollar. However, now Port City’s cost has risen by another Rs. 22 billion as a result of the Sri Lankan Rupee depreciation by over 10% within 14 months. The entire investment is to be made by CCCC. As per the suggested new master plan, in case Sri Lanka’s new government fails to pay back the penalty of US $ 125 million the Port City Island will be increased to 270 hectares from 233 hectares in extent.

Once completed, CCCC will have effective control of 110 hectares instead of earlier planned 108 hectares of land—and the remaining 160 hectares which was to be earlier 125 hectares will be owned by Government of Sri Lanka. In earlier plan China’s CCCC was to own 20 hectares on freehold basis; 88 hectares on a 99-year lease out of 108 hectares but now the government of Sri Lanka has said that it will only allow Chinese to have the land on a 99-year lease base. However, what has been negotiated is still not clearly informed by the Government of Sri Lanka.

Now Sri Lankan Government will have 97 hectares of land for common facilities as against 63 hectares earmarked earlier whilst development extent has been increased by 1 hectare to 63 hectares. The project documents outline that once completed the Colombo Port City will house over 245,000 people with 28% of them being permanent residents housed in a land of over 5.5 million square meters.

http://nation.lk/online/2016/04/16/all-eyes-on-colombo-port-city.html

 

[HeinzGud]

Gautam Buddha was against certain section of Hindu society [priest class] and not Hindu as a religion...

Gautam Buddha interpreted Hinduism in a different way... I am fine with it ... but it is Hinduism...

Almost all of India along with the great King Ashok also converted to Buddhism ... but you see there after all again converted back to Hinduism ...

There is no difference between Hinduism and Buddhism...

Do you say Mahayana Buddhism is different from TIBETIAN Buddhism or Tantric Buddhism ?
.
GOD is one and only one... there can be any view of it ... Hinduism does not restrict anyone if one wants to see almighty god in a particular way...

Buddha rejected any claim to gods. He didn't teach to adhere to the rituals and god worshiping. God as a concept was irrelevant to him.

Buddha was no Hindu. This is the way you people manipulate Buddha into a Hinduism. First learn what Buddha teaches.

Buddhism and Hinduism are poles apart. The issue is Buddhism doesn't consider about ones rituals and customs. Therefore anyone can keep his rituals and customs as long as they follow what Buddha teaches.

Mahayana is definitely different from Theravada Buddhism.

What is god? define him according to Hinduism.

 

[bengalraider]

I look at this as a simple political stratagem. Sirisena and Wickremasinghe both know that they need to convince the Chinese to stop supporting the rajapakse family without antagonizing India as well. They are walking the tightrope by letting the Chinese invest into the Port City project while simultaneously preparing the grounds for an economic pact with India. Both of these are designed to squeeze Rajapakse out of potential benefactors and should ensure the Sirisena presidency stays for at least a decade.

 

[HeinzGud]

Like i said in the other thread , If Sri Lanka wants to grow it needs India. China will at best use her as a fueling & repair depot(They're using Pakistan as a highway to the sea). Sri Lanka will continue to grow and post the highest per capita GDP in Asia by 2050 with average incomes touching 66,000$ nearly 50% of Germany there(yes they're ahead of both us a& the Chinese there) Indian per capita gdp shall touch approximately 35-40000$ by 2050. The Total Sri Lankan GDP will still be much lower though with only 1.3$tr to the Indian GDP of approximately 55$ tr by 2050.
The fact remains that whether @HeinzGud likes it or not his nation will be more integrated with India due to simple economic complusions.

That said id like to express my distress at how a simple economic and foreign policy thread has denigrated into a xenophobic mess, the mods @pmaitra @Singh @Yusuf need to crack the whip.

I understand the fact that Sri Lankan economy will integrate more with Indian economy. But what me and other Sri Lankans oppose is the Bullying attitude of the Indian government to keep Sri Lanka in line and there influence. Sri Lanka has nothing to expect from India in development sector. India does not invest in Sri Lanka for Sri Lankans benefit.

 

[bengalraider]

Also just one small tidbit on Hinduism and the Buddha.
The Vedantic school to thought

I understand the fact that Sri Lankan economy will integrate more with Indian economy. But what me and other Sri Lankans oppose is the Bullying attitude of the Indian government to keep Sri Lanka in line and there influence. Sri Lanka has nothing to expect from India in development sector. India does not invest in Sri Lanka for Sri Lankans benefit.

No one will invest in Sri Lanka or for that matter in any other nation for that nation's benefit, all investors come with a simple purpose to make money. Sri Lanka simply happens to be a place where both India and China can see investments multiply and provide profit.

 

[bengalraider]

Also just one small tidbit on Hinduism and the Buddha.
The Vedantic school of thought actually says the Buddha is one of Vishnu's avatars! Chew on that for a while