From Brampton to Bangladesh, anti-Hindu hate is all too real

[Bachchu Yadav]

Anyone speaks Hindi or live in so called North India ? Not sure

Every one in north India speak Hindi.
Rajsthan UP MP Bihar Jharkhand 36Garh Uttarakhand HP haryana... Now all are Cow belt ?

 

[devgupt]

The societies are full of paradoxes, Hindus have no objection if someone puts a sticker of Bhindrawala or treat him as an idol in Punjab. But their is a threshold to every thing, people react in a certain way depending on their numbers when the threshold is crossed.

Here Hindus are going to see Sikh community with suspicion for mass protesting to save a person who still shouts pro-Khalistan slogans. He hated Beant Singh because he was responsible for killing hundreds of innocent youths, he might have witnessed that violence. He took his revenge (fair enough) knowing its repercussions but why there is need for him to disown his own state and call for secessionist movement.

Sikhs demands for Justice and seeing this hanging vis a vis no justice to 1984 riots is well justified but then they shouldn't complaint or call a section society traitors to their cause if the same doesn't agree with them. Things can be done within the frame work of entrusting upon this state and its institutions. Why scare and bully coexistent mates and create a hostile communal environment ?

If the aim was to save that person for some good reasons and we all know without protests it wasn't possible given the sudden impulse near his hanging. But still it could have been done way better by Govt. of Punjab in power by passing a resolution in Punjab assembly, taking all parties concerned into their confidence, better communication and acting months before his hanging not haphazard, abrupt and awkward like they did.

Sikh can pick their fights on right opportunities and with right excuses. Opportunities to launch an effective protest doesn't come every leap year in democracy like India. Yes one need a great leader to lead which Sikh's hasn't produced yet. Unfortunately even Hindus haven't yet made such a leader who can fight for their cause because Sikhs do not have their say in the centre which matters a lot and its highly unlikely they would ever have.

Kashmiri Pandits were lucky to have 'Hind de Chadaar' (Shield of India) Sri Guru Teg Bhadur Sahib to fight for their cause and sacrifice his life for the same but Hindus are coward enough not to help them till today. I am sorry to for going off topic in my last line and daring to write the name of a religious personality of incomparable status. I am too emotional and heavy writing the same.

Very nice post

 

[Tshering22]

Hindu girl tells Supreme Court she would rather die than convert to Islam

Situation of Hindus in Pakistan

Islamabad (AsiaNews) - "In Pakistan there is justice only for Muslims, justice is denied Hindus. Kill me here, now, in court. But do not send me back to the Darul-Aman [Koranic school] ... kill me". This is the desperate, heartbreaking outburst of Rinkel Kumari, a Hindu girl aged 19, who has entrusted her heartfelt appeal to the judges of the Supreme Court in Islamabad. Her story is similar to that of many other young women and girls belonging to religious minorities - Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Ahmadis - kidnapped by extremist groups or individuals, most of the time lords or local mafia, which convert them by force and then marry them . And that is what the girl said on 26 March, before the judges of the capital's court.

The drama of Rinkel Kumari, a student of Mirpur Mathelo, a small village in the province of Sindh, began the evening of February 24: A handful of men seized her and delivered her a few hours later into the hands of a wealthy Muslim scholar, the man then called her parents, warning them that their daughter "wants to convert to Islam."

Nand Lal, the girl's father, a teacher of an elementary school, accused Naveed Shah, an influential Muslim, of kidnapping his daughter. The man has the "political cover" provided by Mian Mittho, an elected National Assembly Member, suspected of aiding and abetting. After identifying the perpetrators of the kidnapping of his daughter, he was forced to leave the area of origin to escape the threats of people affiliated with the local mafia. The father found refuge and welcome in Gurdwara in Lahore, in Punjab province, with the rest of his family.

As often happens in these cases, even the judiciary is complicit: a local judge ordered that the girl should be given to the Muslims, because her conversion is "the result of a spontaneous decision" and also stated the marriage was above board. A claim that was repeated on February 27, at the hearing before the court, after which the girl was "renamed" Faryal Shah.

However, the story of Rinkel is not an isolated case: every month between 25 and 30 young people suffer similar abuses, for a yearly total of about 300 conversions and forced marriages. Hindu girls - but also Christian - who are torn from their family and delivered into the hands of their husbands / torturers.

On March 26, she appeared before the judges of the Supreme Court in Islamabad, while the Hindu community waited with bated breath for the girl's statements in court. To avoid pressure, the presiding judge ordered the courtroom cleared and - later - the dramatic testimony was relayed: in Pakistan, "there is no" justice, "kill me here but do not send me back" to the kidnappers.

Speaking to AsiaNews Fr. Anwar Patras, the Diocese of Rawalpindi, condemned "with force" the kidnapping and forced conversion. "The Hindus in Sindh - adds the priest - live a hard life. The reality is getting harder for them, they are forced to migrate because the state is unable to protect them and their property.

_________________________________________

So now Muslims are systematically attacking and removing mainstream Hindus and Sikhs from the "captured" lands after they exterminated Buddhism from there.

Fire for fire is the only solution. Unfortunately, no government in India has the balls to get the SIMI types to strip their nationality and throw them into Pakistan.

But with a terrorist-loving, Sharia-courting government structure in India, what to expect out of them for an external country when they cannot even save the local civilization inside the country?

 

[KS]

From my interactions with him, it hardly appears the man is insecure about his religion or any other religion.

My statement was not based upon Tronic's statement alone...but also on Tronic's posts. As you might know I visit some other sites too and my opinion was formed based on interaction with people over there too.

While some Sikhs are comfortable with the idea of the deep inter-relation between Hinduism and SIkhism, some are deeply distrustful, thinking if they acknowledge that, then their unique identity as a Sikh might be lost and hence make every attempt to disassociate from that . And the reason they give, invariably the article 25 crap. I have met both types.

I'm just saying there is no cause for that distrust and the need to create an isolationist new identity.

However, like him I too fear that RSS and other extremists are out to break up my nation.

I can't say about other extremists, but I dont think RSS means any harm to the nation. Your fears are misplaced.

Infact you people have no idea about the respect the Hindu right wing groups lavish on the Sikh gurus for their protection of Hindus during those periods.

I have seen many American/Canadian/UK Sikhs blatantly abuse Hinduism using the most filthy words...I can discern that they do not represent the Indian Sikhs (hopefully)..but this abuse only breeds suspicion and distrust in the minds of Hindus and you decide if that is good or not.

BTW its Karthic with a "c"...not a "k"...

 

[KS]

I'm not insecure about the Sikh religion or even Hinduism. I'm only insecure against right wing groups, no matter if they are Sikh, Muslim or Hindu. I have spoken against the former two quite openly in this forum and elsewhere, but the moment I get to Hindu right wing I get chaps like Galaxy (and even yourself at times), jumping for my throat. I won't discriminate, and I have repeatedly said, right wing breeds right wing, over and over again; so much so, that I should just make it my sig!!

And I hope you realize which right wing breeds which right wing in Punjab..or in fact the whole of India.

I'm sorry but I have to say this...Hindu right wing parties were never strong in India even during the height of Partition, when you logically expect them to be at their strongest. But the right wing party at that time, the Hindu Mahasabha had a pathetic showing in the polls.

When Hindu right wing started gaining ground in India was after the Shah bano case and the resulting constitutional farce....In North India hindus started getting more organized seeing the power of Mullahs and to appease them Ayodhya's locks were opened...then came the coup de grace,..the ethni cleansing of Hindus from Kashmir, the consequent Islamic terrorism and the pathetic inaction of the Govt in power....political partes (or a party) sucessfully tapped into that strong undercurrent of dissent among the Hindus and there started the growth of the Hindu right wing.

From then on regular bomb blasts by Islamic terrorists - both foreign and local - only added to their popularity and this growth took exponential forms once
the internet/commerical news age started..people , who previously were fed on a carefully govt controlled diet of news from DD and Akashvani now could see the "pseudo" secular farce unfolding before them, wherein it was votes before anything else and the attention that was lavished on one community which had the propensity to vote in blocs. These are all factors for the growth of the Hindu right wing and they were provided the fertile breeding ground for their growth..Not their fault..IMO.

 

[KS]

Because;

2.) Because Congress, despite the bad blood, still has a far greater ideological appeal to Sikhs, who by nature are secular, and not right wing, than any other party.

Fine then....you people are hopeless.

A party that butchered innocents from your community and has shielded the perperators sucessfully till date and under whose watch and inciting the absolute majority of the communal riots in India have taken place, is by nature "secular", but a party that tried its best to save the SIkhs in delhi when the riots were in fulls wing (BJP/RSS) are communal and are out to break the country.

I give up.

 

[aerokan]

@Tronic: U demanded vigourously to prove the accusations when others accused u of supporting khalistani ideology. But why are u making accusitions against RSS unnecessarily all the time in an unrelated thread and couldn't back up with any proof what RSS has done to creating this problem despite being asked repeatedly?? Isn't that hypocracy to the core and more Congressi??
This whole issue was started by some bad apples in sikh community.. congress which is psuedo-secular did the massacre as a retaliation.. Justice was denied to sikhs like the rest of India.. Normal people don't get justice irrespective of what community are they from.. This was not Canada. This was India pre-1990 socialist era style system when the issue happened. If u want justice for anyone irrespective of the community, they will always have to wait decades. It was CM's and PM's of a country that were assasinated, not some ordinary persons. U can easily expect massive retaliation whoever did it. Now despite all this, somehow it's Hindus and RSS's fault.

@All: I will tell a first hand account from a Punjabi friend who is at the center stage starting from partition to the khalistani movement to sikh massacre:

While talking abt history of division that started between hindus and sikhs, he said that hindus and sikhs were one and the same generations ago. When Islamic invaders attacked repeatedly, they used to send a person or two from the family to become a fighter. They were the sikhs. And they used to follow rigorously the practices seperate from the mainstream to distinguish and to maintain their warrior discipline. They used to be the shields of Hindus protecting them from Islamic invasions. He also said that some of his cousin brothers were sikhs. All the differences and animosity (even though it's small) between hindus and sikhs came only after partition.

I am not sure if i was able to keep the matter in context and in proper wordings or not, but i believe you guys will take the better side of the story. All this time i have been with so many sikhs, i never for once thought they were a seperate people different at heart than any hindu.. But somehow after reading some posters in this thread, i came to know that some western sikhs actually hold some animosity towards hindus!! I am quite surpised to say the least.

 

[panduranghari]

There is no Hindu Temple in the part of the UK where I live, but there is a Gurudwara. I go there and feel equally nice listening to Gurbani as much I find peaceful listening to Hanuman Chalisa. I am surprised by this thread and the assertions by some Sikhs about hatred towards Hindus. This is after all a crazy world.

 

[hit&run]

Well RSS has done great harm to the tranquillity between of Hindu and Sikhs in recent past by commenting on religious matters of Sikhs, commenting on their way of religious life and holy book.

Sikh has taken a note of their foolish propaganda, idiotic tactics and immature sabre ranting against Sikhism. RSS effort to correlate Sikhism and Hinduism is not only ethically incorrect but academically and intellectually bankrupt.

Sikhs are not Hindus.

Sikh are protesting and defending their religion the way it has to be.

The clear lines are drawn in Sikhism (Holy books) to define a Sikh. Both right and left (Hot and Cold) Sikh schools are deterring this interference by counter offending Hinduism (unfortunately) and spreading awareness about the core value of Sikhism which makes them unique and non-Hindus.

A common argument by Hindus is that the Sikh holy book has word 'Rama' many a times (around 2168) who they too worship as deity. But such arguments have fallacy of sweeping generalization; done by non-scholars and unauthorised Idiots.

Every single time when word 'Rama', other Avatars and mentioning of Hindu practises has appeared in Granth Sahib it is give a totally new school of thought on Hinduism and how differently the ten Gurus have perceived the Hinduism to establish the superiority of their own preaching of a unique new religion for the devotees; not endorsing the Hinduism.

The Sikh religious epistemology is a transitional argument and it has used references from Hindu, Islamic, other great devotees and from many contemporary practises known in those times. So It would be too harsh, disrespecting and disturbing to say that Sikhism or their religious books are continuity of some old religions.

I can write many holy 'shabdas' from the Granth Sahib to prove this point.

Having said that and as I have mentioned that even many Sikhs are offending Hinduism unfortunately I would like to say that by offending Hinduism they are also disrespecting their own holy book which has given place to Hindus Avatars/practices for their own reasons like I mentioned above, soaked in great practises of the same like 'naam bhagti' and recognised presence of Lord Rama who was son of Dahsratha.

The following phrase recognised Lord Rama and also clearly explains the distinction between Hindus & Sikhs.

''Ek Ram Dashrath ka beta, ek Ram ghat ghat main leta''.

There is one Rama who is the son of King Dashratha and there is another Rama who is omnipresent in every particle i.e 'Akal Purakh' supreme God who created many Ramas, Krishnas, Shivas, Indras, upindras etc. (Mentioned in another 'Shabad' phrase).

 

[arya]

why our user like to talk on religion ot defence thread

 

[arya]

There is no Hindu Temple in the part of the UK where I live, but there is a Gurudwara. I go there and feel equally nice listening to Gurbani as much I find peaceful listening to Hanuman Chalisa. I am surprised by this thread and the assertions by some Sikhs about hatred towards Hindus. This is after all a crazy world.

you are right brother, don't you think we have much freedom here on the name of religion any one can do any thing .

 

[Poseidon]

Sikhism is a religion distinct from Hinduism and Islam,it's a fusion actually.
But some hindu and muslim radicals think that Sikhism is an extension of their own religion.

 

[Poseidon]

why our user like to talk on religion ot defence thread

Most of the crowd in any defence forum are nationalistic in nature,so that is the region such thread are so popular.

 

[hit&run]

why our user like to talk on religion ot defence thread

The thread is about religions, You can give your expert opinion on topic related to defence at appropriate sections.

Thanks

 

[LurkerBaba]

RSS probably wants to assimilate Sikh religion. It has happened before in Buddhism, where Buddha was made an avatar of Vishnu

 

[Mad Indian]

No one is claiming that sikhs are hindus. They are a distinct religion , just like Jainism

 

[Tshering22]

RSS probably wants to assimilate Sikh religion. It has happened before in Buddhism, where Buddha was made an avatar of Vishnu

And it still didn't affect the distinction of Buddhist philosophy of ours. I don't understand why do people have such inferiority complex to admit that we all originate from mainstream Hindus.

Guess the British crap logic of "martial races" made Hindus "weak" whereas if they had not fought and thrown out Islamic invaders for centuries, India would have been like Egypt with no Buddhism, Jainism or Sikhism even born.

 

[LurkerBaba]

And it still didn't affect the distinction of Buddhist philosophy of ours. I don't understand why do people have such inferiority complex to admit that we all originate from mainstream Hindus.

1. There is no such thing as mainstream Hindu philosophy (maybe you're referring to Vedas ?)
2. Buddhism has it's roots in the Upanishads and not the Vedas
3. Upanishads is actually criticism of Vedas
4. I didn't understand the purpose of your second paragraph

 

[Bachchu Yadav]

RSS probably wants to assimilate Sikh religion. It has happened before in Buddhism, where Buddha was made an avatar of Vishnu

In 6-7 th centuary , Buddhism was understood to be part of Hinduism by considering Buddha as avtar of Vishnu. I don't think RSS is that old.

 

[LurkerBaba]

In 6-7 th centuary , Buddhism was understood to be part of Hinduism by considering Buddha as avtar of Vishnu. I don't think RSS is that old.

I meant that this practice of assimilation isn't something new. It has happened in the past.