Foxconn to build up to 12 factories and employ 1 million people in India

[Srinivas_K]

In other words, democracy didn't work as good as you claim.
And the same "change" is happening in every corner of the world, including those "undemocratic" countries.

Democracy comes with various other aspects like freedom of speech, liberty, human rights etc....
Change can be done by any regime or system but the above mentioned things are adoptable in only some systems like democracy.

 

[tsunami]

@no smoking: Can you tell me if what kind of labour rates a typical Chinese road worker gets? Because I am surprised that Chinese road construction company had to bring Chinese road workers to build roads in an Indian project, instead of Indian "cheap labour". As for Chinese company low bid rate was only possible by using Chinese workers.

So is the Actual Chinese Labour Rate < Indian Labour Rate ?

It's their habit.... I don't know why but when Chinese govt. invest money in any construction project anywhere in the world... They award contract to a Chinese company bring Chinese labor, every thing is Chinese. Same happens in case of Pakistan also, all their economic corridor and ports awarded to Chinese companies with Chinese engineer and labor.

 

[AnantS]

It's their habit.... I don't know why but when Chinese govt. invest money in any construction project anywhere in the world... They award contract to a Chinese company bring Chinese labor, every thing is Chinese. Same happens in case of Pakistan also, all their economic corridor and ports awarded to Chinese companies with Chinese engineer and labor.

It also indicates that these Chinese companies in actual pay $hit to their workers compared to local workers.

 

[no smoking]

@no smoking: Can you tell me if what kind of labour rates a typical Chinese road worker gets? Because I am surprised that Chinese road construction company had to bring Chinese road workers to build roads in an Indian project, instead of Indian "cheap labour". As for Chinese company low bid rate was only possible by using Chinese workers.

So is the Actual Chinese Labour Rate < Indian Labour Rate ?

From what I heard from those Chinese who worked in India project, the problem that Chinese companies have with India workers are not the wages, but the attitude and efficiency: they work too less hours each day; low or even none skill; absolute zero overtime work (even being paid); too many holiday (generally more days than approved); the list goes on and on.

So, by employing only Chinese workers, they can finish the project in time if there is no local distraction. But with Indian employees, the whole project will need more time and more money.

The conclusion they got is even India workers rate is cheaper, but their efficiency is much lower.

 

[AnantS]

From what I heard from those Chinese who worked in India project, the problem that Chinese companies have with India workers are not the wages, but the attitude and efficiency: they work too less hours each day; low or even none skill; absolute zero overtime work (even being paid); too many holiday (generally more days than approved); the list goes on and on.

So, by employing only Chinese workers, they can finish the project in time if there is no local distraction. But with Indian employees, the whole project will need more time and more money.

The conclusion they got is even India workers rate is cheaper, but their efficiency is much lower.

Then conclusion could not be more wrong. The Chinese construction project was delayed for many years, with roads being dug up caused problems for locals , and were forced to use a much longer route to reach their homes. Incidentally the second route was a road project given to private Indian company in the same area, which completed on time.

 

[badguy2000]

Then conclusion could not be more wrong. The Chinese construction project was delayed for many years, with roads being dug up caused problems for locals , and were forced to use a much longer route to reach their homes. Incidentally the second route was a road project given to private Indian company in the same area, which completed on time.

guy, CHinese take only one decade to finish 15000KM highspeed railway....

no other people can be better at infrastructure construction than CHinese...
the proof are those great infrastructures in CHina....
it is stupid to question the efficency of CHinese workers.

 

[AnantS]

guy, CHinese take only one decade to finish 15000KM highspeed railway....

no other people can be better at infrastructure construction than CHinese...
the proof are those great infrastructures in CHina....
it is stupid to question the efficency of CHinese workers.

Kindly stop making idiotic assertions. The case I saw, the Chinese company and work ethics were clearly at fault.
Remember in India, an train which has met accident, will not be buried in the ground along with dead/injured passengers. In China, of course that's another matter.

 

[no smoking]

Then conclusion could not be more wrong. The Chinese construction project was delayed for many years, with roads being dug up caused problems for locals , and were forced to use a much longer route to reach their homes. Incidentally the second route was a road project given to private Indian company in the same area, which completed on time.

Of course, for the keyboard warriors like you, India is just perfect.
The weird thing is: today, more and more Chinese companies are rewarded the contract even when their prices are higher than India companies.

 

[AnantS]

Of course, for the keyboard warriors like you, India is just perfect.
The weird thing is: today, more and more Chinese companies are rewarded the contract even when their prices are higher than India companies.

And 10 cent $hitCom Soldier like you think that the whole world should fall for "cheena kood kood, India vely vely bad propaganda!" Solly but no solly!! Here people like call spade a spade. Chinese companies if they get any contract its because of dirt cheap price filed in tenders! Most have a buyer's remorse later on. If quality is of prime concern, then the contract often goes to Western/Indian firm.

Now fast!! type another $hitCom propaganda paragraph how China is gleat, to earn your next 10 cents!!

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

Guys, stop giving useless arguments. Yes, Chinese are efficient and their world class cities are for everyone to see. Yes, they have their shortcomings but no reason to peddle Indian fairytale stories.

 

[AnantS]

Guys, stop giving useless arguments. Yes, Chinese are efficient and their world class cities are for everyone to see. Yes, they have their shortcomings but no reason to peddle Indian fairytale stories.

What kind of logic is that? Gleaming Chinese whitewashes shoddy Chinese contract work? Or the fact the Chinese mostly win Indian tenders on low cost basis and they use their own labour for to maintain cost advantage? Are we here discussing Chinese cities or examples Chinese contract work? What Indian fairy tales have been peddled? Why we should sing China gleat song, when we know that it has a long way to traverse still?

Even North Korean/Burmese capital city is spick & span & looks fairly modern, so that means it has no issues? Sorry I am not so enamored by Chinese propaganda yet. They have made/are making rapid progress no doubt and is ahead of India in alleviating people from poverty, but that does not mean we have to swallow $hitcom propaganda hook line & sinker when facts are there for everyone to see.

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

What kind of logic is that? Gleaming Chinese whitewashes shoddy Chinese contract work? Or the fact the Chinese mostly win Indian tenders on low cost basis and they use their own labour for to maintain cost advantage? Are we here discussing Chinese cities or examples Chinese contract work? What Indian fairy tales have been peddled? Why we should sing China gleat song, when we know that it has a long way to traverse still?

Even North Korean/Burmese capital city is spick & span & looks fairly modern, so that means it has no issues? Sorry I am not so enamored by Chinese propaganda yet. They have made/are making rapid progress no doubt and is ahead of India in alleviating people from poverty, but that does not mean we have to swallow $hitcom propaganda hook line & sinker when facts are there for everyone to see.

China wins a lot of tenders in Africa as well where Indians had much better hold a decade ago. They should be doing something right and it would be better if Indian firms learn from them.

 

[Rowdy]

Chinese are better at execution period.

 

[AnantS]

China wins a lot of tenders in Africa as well where Indians had much better hold a decade ago. They should be doing something right and it would be better if Indian firms learn from them.

African nations are burdened by Chinese Aid. That aid goes long way in securing contracts in firms. Similar to what India also does (e.g. development aid to mongolia) but on much much smaller scale.

And of course generous greasing right people's pockets also helps. There are ample of Mahindra Rajpakses there in Africa.

 

[AnantS]

Chinese are better at execution period.

Rowdy this statement may be holds true in some context. But cant be generalized. Ask power discom companies execs who import cheap power components from China, instead of expensive ones from ABB, Schneider or L&T. How long those components last & how is the after sales service. Typical buyer's remorse.

 

[Rowdy]

Rowdy this statement may be holds true in some context. But cant be generalized. Ask power discom companies execs who import cheap power components from China, instead of expensive ones from ABB, Schneider or L&T. How long those components last & how is the after sales service. Typical buyer's remorse.

China has a pay what you get system... pay less get less quality pay more get better quality. I have a mac, made in China and works pretty sweet. Some credit does go to apple for their quality control but china does manufacture nicely

 

[AnantS]

China has a pay what you get system... pay less get less quality pay more get better quality. I have a mac, made in China and works pretty sweet. Some credit does go to apple for their quality control but china does manufacture nicely

So you mean to say if FoxConn were to produce Iphone/Ipad/Mac in India, they would be of inferior quality to Chinese one and Apple would accept it? The Nokia produced earlier in India were of inferior quality? Or you mean to say Suzuki swift/Bharat Benz Trucks etc exported outside are of inferior quality? Or Road /infrastructure projects executed by L&T e.g. in UAE are of inferior quality?

If Chinese manufacturing/engineering was so great they would have been able to produce decent cars/bikes and should have been able overwhelm developing countries overturning western and Japanese car makers.

Thing is debate is veering off tangent. My original point was, if the Chinese govt mandated good labor rate for Chinese workers/laborers, which is better than Indian labor rate. Then how is it possible for Chinese to win a road project on lowest cost basis and "shoddily" execute a project(say a road project) in India using only Chinese labor, given it is expensive than Indian labor. They surely did not executing project in loss. It seems they are fudging on how much they actually pay to the Chinese labor.

 

[nimo_cn]

India is market economy, most of the business is run by the private/corporate sectors. Indian Govt. only drafts policies and make sure they are implemented by these corporates correctly.

Regarding higher wages/better life and all, It is upto people to dream big and achieve their dreams. The platform is there. Govt. will only provide basic things and makes sure people have plenty of opportunities to thrive, it is upto people to make sure they use the opportunities.
Unlike in China where every aspect of life of chinese citizens is determined by CCP.

your market economy has lost the game, that is why indian labors are getting leftover jobs from China for lower wages.

my point has always been that, yes, foxconn moving to India is good for India, but not bad for China as some indian posters has claimed.

however significant you guys want to make it to be, to India maybe, it's insignificant to China.

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[nimo_cn]

Yes democracies can protect the rights of workers because there is freedom of speech and Govt. is in favor of workers rights !

Foxconn is only reaping the reaping the benefit of cheap labour wages and low cost of living in India. Since the wages they pay also are attractive because of low cost of living.

low wages, that is what I am talking about. democracy cant prevent indian workers from getting less money for doing the same amount of work compared to Chinese workers.

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[nimo_cn]

They will get enough as cost of living in india is cheap too ... food , cloths, rent all cost less than china. So it's a win win deal. A Chinese will have higher expense too (he will also enjoy higher quality of life)...
Again Labour right as understood in India and mostly around the world is:
a) Equal work Equal Pay also minimum wage.
b) Right to form Union
c) Limited Working hours per week (e.g. 8 hr shift *6 days =42 hrs per week max .. asking a worker to work more than this is Illegal ... unless overtime is paid and he cannot be fired if he refuses)
d) Medical and other benefits.
Now all these things are cheaper in India .... Rent is less so minimum wage is less.... food is cheap ... etc etc... so the foreign company pays in Indian rupees but sells e.g. iPhone in dollars.... so they earn money)

compared to Chinese workers, indian workers are not getting equal pay for doing equal work.

when companies of foxconn kind flock into your country, one should not feel so joyful. certainly, it's great that unemployed people are getting jobs. but at the same time, it's sad that your country is still banking on low-end business of this kind to develop the economy.

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