Chinese Telecom Equipment Now Banned In India

[tarunraju]

Tarun, For 3G is concerned Ericsson stands leading in the race followed by the Nokia-Siemens network and the Alcatel. American cos cant that easily enter into the indian market as far as they dont have a policy to make it impact

Yeah, with on-tower equipment, not the bulk of equipment such as cables, routers, "low-tech" equipment which make for the bulk of the purchase when it comes down to price, stuff companies would want to buy from Huawei, UT Starcom, etc.

 

[Agantrope]

Yeah, with on-tower equipment, not the bulk of equipment such as cables, routers, "low-tech" equipment which make for the bulk of the purchase when it comes down to price, stuff companies would want to buy from Huawei, UT Starcom, etc.

I dont feel a ill about putting extra money for a more reliable product from the D-link or Siemens. I hardly remember any Indian companies in this field.

Huawei costs -1300/ D-Link costs -1700. Not much difference when we get an extra lifetime of about 6-12 months

 

[tarunraju]

Huawei costs -1300/ D-Link costs -1700. Not much difference when we get an extra lifetime of about 6-12 months

Not if you're building a network for your school. But when you're deploying across entire districts, you're looking at crores of Rupees saved.

 

[Agantrope]

Not if you're building a network for your school. But when you're deploying across entire districts, you're looking at crores of Rupees saved.

Exactly, but what if the security of the nation is at the stake?? Does the crores matters?

 

[tarunraju]

Exactly, but what if the security of the nation is at the stake?? Does the crores matters?

Low-tech equipment such as OFC cables and Ethernet, ADSL routers have barely the capabilities to "spy", yet they're classified under telecom equipment. Admins can see if a router is doing some mischief very easily.


Therefore the solution is to demarcate high-tech equipment that is low in quantity yet high unit price, which can actually affect security of our networks, and then source them from Europe, instead of a complete blanket ban which will hurt companies.

 

[Armand2REP]

guy, India is just a minor role on the list of CHina's trade partners while China is the top trade partner of India.

are you really conscious of the situation?

the gap of economy power and trade scale decides that India can not win the trade war.

Of course India can win the trade war, you rely on them to buy your crap and hardly vice versa.

 

[Armand2REP]

No one is gonna to win a trade war between China and India.

If India really could benefit from a trade war and lose nothing, i believe the Indian government have done that.
They are that dumb, right?

What do you think they are doing by blocking your telecom companies? China's best international industry is telecom and now you are cut out of the worlds fastest growing market. You don't even realise what is going on. =omg=

 

[ganesh177]

But will this policy work with WTO ?
Or will they revoke the decision as they did for chinese toys.

 

[Armand2REP]

But will this policy work with WTO ?
Or will they revoke the decision as they did for chinese toys.

It never got far enough in the WTO to make a case. It only lasted 6 months. There would be no grounds to do so considering Chinese toys are proven unsafe. India has plenty of grounds to ban Chinese telecom, India has made the diplomatic approach by not laying a blanket ban but one that requires authorisation by the government for security grounds. Just so happens none of them are being authorised.

 

[RAM]

'No blanket ban on import of Chinese telecom equipment'

NEW DELHI: The government on Friday said there was no blanket ban on import of Chinese telecom equipment and any such decision is taken on a case-by-case basis. "I don't think there is any blanket ban on import of any Chinese telecom equipment," home secretary GK Pillai said when asked whether any restriction has been imposed on the import of China-made telecom equipment. He said any such decision is taken based on the activities of individual companies. "It depends on each and individual company. We look at the security implications...," Mr Pillai said.

The Department of Telecom also made it clear that no blanket ban has been imposed on any company. DoT said the telecom network service providers, when they enter into licence agreements with the government, have to provide details of equipment to be procured in a prescribed proforma. "DoT, thereafter, refers the matter to ministry of home affairs for security clearance. Whichever company gets security clearance, is allowed to procure the equipment," a telecom ministry spokesperson said. Chinese telecom equipment vendor Huawei had expressed concern over reports of imposing ban on it and called for "a fair and non-discriminatory policy" to address the issue of security clearance for its products. "It is the hope of Huawei and it is also in the interest of the industry that a fair and non-discriminatory policy to address this issue is in place and a mutually-beneficial and win-win resolution can be realised through transparent and sincere communication and co-operation," Huawei said in a statement. The Chinese firm was responding to reports that suggested that based on advisory from intelligence agencies, DoT had said procurement of equipment from manufacturers of that country will not be recommended for clearance unless there is complete supply chain overseeing and auditing to the satisfaction of DoT. It, however, said that Huawei India has not received official communication on this matter. Telecom operators are required to get a security clearance before placing purchase orders for equipment with the foreign equipment vendors.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ese-telecom-equipment/articleshow/5878723.cms

 

[nimo_cn]

Indian companies provide the quality far more superiror than the chinese mobiles at same low price. Just have a look around for spice mobiles, maxx, onida, videocon, and compare it with china made mobiles.
As far as sales are concerned, they are new in market, given the time, they will surely be at par with any branded mobile selling in india.

I am not going to turn this thread into another comparison between China and India, which we have done too many times in this forum.

But i want to ask you one simple question, are you using a cellphone manufactured by spice mobiles, maxx, onida, videocon or whatever it is?

And about your previous post, i dont agree that a customer should be left with the choice to choose between chinese and other brands. Chinese mobile targets only lower class and you dont expect a lower class indian to be aware of security and safety hazards that these mobiles comes up with. Lower class dont even care for imei number, but it remains a security lapse as it cannot be tracked. So its better govt filters them out at national level. That is one of the job of govt.

I have little problem when India banned the ShanZhai(山寨) cellphones due to their lack of valid IMEI number or their low quality.

ZTE and Huawei are not ShanZhai(山寨) companies. Their handsets have decent quality and valid IMEI numbers and can meet the requirement of Indian government, so i am not worried about their performances in Indian cellphone market.

 

[Yusuf]

Spice, maxx, karbon all are importing from china under their brand name. Why else is it cheap?

 

[mattster]

Great News......Good move by Indian Government.
China has been screwing India every which way, whenever the smallest opportunity presents itself.
This has gone on unchecked for almost 50 years.

Now economics is finally starting to figure in this equation.
The West can no longer afford to continue its crazy consumption and people all over the Western world are now starting to think of saving.
I can see this for myself here in the US. Its not just individuals, entire governments are begining to make very painful reforms - ie Greece, Spain, UK, US etc.

What this means is that major consumption of consumers products/electronics is going to slowly shift to developing economies where the standard of living is increasing like China and India.
India is slowly becoming a major importer of consumer and industrial goods because they have so far to climb to reach western standards.
This means middle-class and lower middle-class Indians will be spending even more than their Chinese counterparts for all kinds of items. Plus the Chinese are natural savers, and their own internal consumption will never replace export markets for China.

What all this means to export driven economies like China is a massive opportunity to replace declining consumption in the West with new customers in places like India.
What this means for India is economic leverage that India has never had before. If the Chinese continue screwing with India, then India should slowly blacklist more and more Chinese entities.

The Trade imbalance is so heavily in Favor of China that any trade-war with China will hurt them a 100 times more than it will hurt India.
Its time we gave them a taste of their own asymmetric warfare !!

 

[anoop_mig25]

guy, it is not CHinese electricity supplied that is lost-costed,but India's electricty is high-costed,get it?

but u stiil didn`t answer my query how can china provide low cost electricity to is hometown firms or as u say why is indian electricity cost high then compare to china

 

[amoy]

If there's any unfair or discriminatory action against Chinese products China shall either bring it up to WTO or retaliate like what's done against Japan or S.Korea telecom or electronics before.

A tit-for-tat trade war is not something new in this highly competitive and inter-dependent world. And there're still rules in the jungle to be abided by.

 

[mattster]

If there's any unfair or discriminatory action against Chinese products China shall either bring it up to WTO or retaliate like what's done against Japan or S.Korea telecom or electronics before.

A tit-for-tat trade war is not something new in this highly competitive and inter-dependent world. And there're still rules in the jungle to be abided by.

You are missing the point completely. Trade between the 2 countries is totally in China favor.
There is nothing critical that China exports that India cant get elsewhere. India can afford to ban as many Chinese products as it wants.
The Indian economy is not export driven so the WTO cant do jack to India.

 

[amoy]

Trade between the 2 countries is totally in China favor.
There is nothing critical that China exports that India cant get elsewhere. India can afford to ban as many Chinese products as it wants.
The Indian economy is not export driven so the WTO cant do jack to India.

1) Of course India has alternatives other than import from China. But there're still certain WTO rules for 'fair play'
2) Good that India sounds 'self sufficient' and can develop on its own without relying on intl markets for either imp or exp
3) In contrast China has irrevocably embraced 'globalization'. Therefore buying and selling is a way of interchange with the world on basis of each's comparative advantage, in favour of both buyers and sellers.

FYI no.1 brand of cellpone in China is Nokia, no.2 probably Samsung (or Motorola??)

China has been screwing India every which way, whenever the smallest opportunity presents itself.

U call ordinary trading 'screwing'. ah ha what has made u feel so bitter?

 

[gogbot]

well , i would like to say security concerns but actions were already taken on this regard.

http://sifybroadband.techwhack.com/1351-imei

Mobile phones without IMEI number would be disabled from April 15 , 2009

This is a clear case of protectionism.

Don't know what to make of it however.

China still remains India's largest trading partner

 

[shotgunner]

China has been screwing India every which way, whenever the smallest opportunity presents itself.
This has gone on unchecked for almost 50 years.
...
Its time we gave them a taste of their own asymmetric warfare !!

How can I disagree with you, and that the "screwing" part is very intriguing ... very intriguing indeed
--> So trade imbalance is "screwing", are you screwed by others too?
--> Are you "screwing" others, if any? If not, does that make you the "screwee" of the world?
--> Before the ban, I didn't recall we put a gun to your head and ask for a "screw". Did that make you "willingly pay for being screwed"?

Your post is of utmost quality I would say, would other members agree?

 

[nimo_cn]

Huawei plans factory at Chennai to get over Indian security fears

Even as it battles rejection of various deals with telecom operators due to security issues with the Union government, Chinese telecom equipment provider Huawei plans to set up a manufacturing facility in India, near Chennai, at an investment of $300-500 million (Rs 1,340-2,230 crore).

A Chinese delegation is expected to come and meet senior government officials to convey their commitment.

Aiming to continue operations in India, the company wants to steer clear of all the security issues and setting up of a manufacturing unit in India would help in overcoming this, a person close to the development said. Huawei's executive vice-president Xu Zhijun and President (Asia Pacific) Wang Shengli would visit the country this week to sort out this issue. Huawei has already identified land for the proposed unit near Chennai.

It is also in the process of restructuring its management team and board of directors with Indians. About 85 per cent of the company staff consists of Indians.

The Union communications ministry said there was no blanket ban on the import of telecom equipment and networks from Chinese firms Huawei and ZTE. However, no deals have been approved by the ministry since February 18. It had issued a directive that all telecom operators would have to get equipment tested before placing any orders.

In August 2009, the government banned BSNL from sourcing mobile networks and other related hardware from Chinese vendors in any region that shared international boundaries. The government had also asked all telecom equipment makers to employ only Indian engineers to maintain and manage networks of operators here within a two-year timeframe.

India is the second-largest market outside China for both ZTE and Huawei. ZTE's sales in India increased by 50 per cent in 2009-10 and contributed over 10 per cent to its $8.8-billion revenues during this period. From just $170 million in annual revenues from India in 2005, Huawei ended 2009 with sales of over $2.3 billion.

All the new players are banking on Chinese equipment providers to roll out their networks, as Chinese equipment come at a much lower price.

http://www.business-standard.com/in...nai-to-get-over-indian-security-fears/393847/