China Defeated: The Nathu La skirmish

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The Nathu La skirmish:

After the debacle of 1962, nothing could have enhanced the self esteem of the Indian Army than the mauling that was given to the Chinese at Nathu La in Sikkim on 11th September 1967 and at Chola on 1st October 1967. It must have come as a rude shock to the Chinese Army and also its political leadership. And by a happy coincidence, the Indian Army leadership which got the better of this eyeball-to-eyeball confrontation was the same that went on to create Bangladesh in 1971. Maj Gen Sagat Singh was GOC Mountain Division in Sikkim, Lt Gen Jagjit Aurora was the Corps Commander and Sam Manekshaw was the Eastern Army Commander.

I too served in Nathu La. After finishing my young officer's course, it was on 21 July 1967 that I reported to my Unit, a mule pack artillery regiment in Sikkim. Those days young officers were made to have their professional mailing by sending them on long-range patrols (LRP) for area familiarisation, take part in khad race to increase their stamina and sending them to remote observations ports on Sikkim-Tibet border for a month. Having done my share of LRPs and having taken part in the khad race, I was sent to the main Sabu La observation post on the Sikkim-Tibet Border. This observation post is about a kilometre south-west of Nathu La. It dominates Nathu La by virtue of taking on higher ground and commands an excellent view of the pass as also the Chinese defense on the feature known as North shoulder. There were two observation posts at Sabu La and had a good old radio set 62 and PRC-10 and of course line communications to the guns deployed in the rear.

Nathu La at 14200 feet is an important pass on the Tibet-Sikkim border through which passes the old Gangtok-Yatung-Lhasa Trade Route. Although the Sikkim-Tibet boundary is well defined by the Anglo-Chinese Convention of 17 March 1890, the Chinese were not comfortable with Sikkim being an Indian protectorate with the deployment of the Indian Army at that time. During the 1965 War between India and Pakistan, the Chinese gave an ultimatum to India to vacate both Nathu La and Jelep La passes on the Sikkim-Tibet border. For some strange reason, the Mountain Division, under whose jurisdiction Jelep La was at that time, vacated the pass. It remains under Chinese possession till date. However, Lt. Gen Sagat Singh, true to form, refused to vacate Nathu La. Incidentally it is at Nathu La where Chinese and Indian forces are deployed barely thirty yards apart, closest anywhere on the 4000 km Sino-Indian border and the border remains undemacrated. Chinese hold the northern shoulder of the pass while Indian Army holds the southern shoulder. Two dominating features south and north of Nathu La namely Sebu La and Camel's back were held by the Indians. Artillery observation post officers deployed on these two features have an excellent observation into Chinese depth areas whereas from Northern shoulder, Chinese have very little observations into Indian depth areas. This factor proved crucial in the clash that ensued. At the time of the clash, 2 Grenadiers was holding Nathu La. This battalion was under the command of Lt Col (Later Brigadier) Rai Singh. The battalion was under the Mountain Brigade being commanded by Brig MMS Bakshi, MVC.

The daily routine at Nathu La used to start with patrolling by both sides along the perceived border which almost always resulted in arguments. The only one on the Chinese side who could converse in broken English was the Political Commissar who could be recognised by a red patch on his cap. Sentries of both the forces used to stand barely one meter apart in the centre of the Pass which is marked by Nehru Stone, commemorating Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru's trek to Bhutan through Nathu La and Chumbi Valley in 1959. Argument between the two sides soon changed to pushing and shoving and on 6 September 1967 a scuffle took place in which Political Commissar fell down and broke his spectacles. These incidents only added to the excitement. I developed excellent rapport with Capt Dagar of 2 Grenadiers and a few days before the clash we had gone to Gangtok together on "liberty" to see a movie. Little did I know that within a week, Dagar would be a martyr.

In order to de-escalate the situation it was decided by the Indian military hierarchy to lay a wire in the centre of the Pass from Nathu La to Sebu La to demarcate the perceived border. This task was to be carried out by the jawans of 70 Field Company of Engineers assisted by a company of 18 Rajput deployed at Yak La pass further north of Nathu La. The wire laying was to commence at first light on the fateful morning of 11 September 1967.

That morning dawned bright and sunny unlike the normal foggy days. The engineers and jawans started erecting long iron pickets from Nathu La to Sebu La along the perceived border while 2 Grenadiers and Artillery Observation Post Officers at Sebu La and Camel's Back were on alert. Immediately the Chinese Political Commissar, with a section of Infantry came to the centre of the Pass where Lt. Col Rai Singh, CO 2 Grenadiers was standing with his commando platoon. The Commissar asked Lt Col Rai Singh to stop laying the wire. Orders to the Indian Army were clear. They were not to blink. An argument started which soon built up into a scuffle. In the ensuing melee, the commissar got roughed up. Thereafter the Chinese went up back to their bunkers and engineers resumed laying the wire.

Within a few minutes of this, a whistle was heard on the Chinese side followed by murderous medium machine gun fire from north shoulder. The pass is completely devoid of cover and the jawans of 70 Field Company and 18 Rajput were caught in the open and suffered heavy casualties which included Col Rai Singh who was wounded. He was awarded MVC later. Two brave officers – Capt Dagar of 2 Grenadiers and Major Harbhajan Singh of 18 Rajput rallied a few troops and tried to assault the Chinese MMG but both died a heroic death. They were posthumously awarded Vir Chakra and MVC respectively. 2 Grenadier opened small arms fire on North shoulder but it was not very effective. Within the first ten minutes, there were nearly seventy dead and scores wounded lying in the open on the pass. Within half an hour, Chinese artillery opened up on the pass as well as in the depth areas but it was mostly prophylactic fire due to lack of observation and failed to do much damage. Meanwhile we as artillery observation post officers asked for artillery fire, permission for which came a little later. Because of excellent domination and observation from Sebu La and Camel's back, artillery fire was most effective and most of the Chinese bunkers on North shoulder and in depth were completely destroyed and Chinese suffered very heavy casualties which by their own estimates were over 400. The artillery duel thereafter carried on day and night. For the next three days, the Chinese were taught a lesson. On 14 September, Chinese threatened use of Air Force if shelling did not stop. By then the lesson had been driven home and an uneasy ceasefire came about. The Chinese, true to form, had pulled over dead bodies to their side of the perceived border at night and accused us of violating the border. Dead bodies were exchanged on 15 September at which time: Sam Manekshaw, Aurora and Sagat were present on the Pass.

Every battle has its own share of heroism, faint heartedness, drama and humour. The Nathu La skirmish was no exception. 2 Grenadiers were initially shaken up due to the loss of Capt Dagar and injury to their CO but found their man of the moment in Lieutenant Atar Singh who went round from trench to trench to rally the troops and was later promoted as Captain on the spot. On the lighter side was one artillery observation post officer, my colleague at Sebu La whose radio set was damaged due to shelling and he was out of communication with his guns. He rightly decided to go back to the base at Sherathang in the depth to get another radio set. While he was on his way back, Commander Artillery Brigade was coming up. He stopped the young captain, accused him of running away from the battle and sent him back after reducing him to his substantive rank of a second lieutenant. Casualties could not be evacuated for three days and nights as any move to do so invited a hail of Chinese bullets. Some wounded may well have succumbed to cold and rain. There were awards for bravery as also court martial for cowardice. However, what stood out was the steadfastness of the commanders and bravery of the jawans and junior officers. Indians refused to blink and the mighty Chinese dragon was made to look ordinary.

The situation again flared up twenty days later when on 1 October 1967 a face-off between India and China took place at Cho La, another pass on the Sikkim-Tibet border a few kilometers north of Nathu La. Despite initial casualties, 7/11 GR and 10 JAK RIF stood firm and forced the Chinese to withdraw nearly three kilometers away to a feature named Kam Barracks where they remain deployed till date. Cho La Pass is firmly in Indian hands. Indian Army had got better of the Chinese yet again.

No wonder, Sino-Indian border has remained peaceful ever since to the extent that today Chinese soldiers come and ask their Indian counterparts at Nathu La for cigarettes, rum and tea, mail is exchanged twice in a week in a hut constructed specially for this purpose and border personnel meeting takes place there twice a year. It was my privilege to command the Nathu La Brigade many years later and conduct the first border personnel meeting at Nathu La is 1995

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No Wonder after this, the Chinese went completely quiet. They dont have the balls, which is why they need their terrorist dog Pakistan. If we didnt have Nehru and V K Krishna Menon, both closest commie's and pacifist. Today either Tibet would have been Indian or a protectorate of India.
 

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Good read! Thanks, I wasn't sure what exactly had happened. Any idea what the Chinese say happened (if anything at all)?
 

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good to know we did a comeback...but that that doesn't mean China is not capable to attack India directly.. it has got a better and low risk option through Pakistan.
 

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jelep la was given away in cowardly act.
but good nathu la remained in Indian possession.
 

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Compare this to the Indian peak still held by Pakistan 10yrs after Kargil.
Compare 1971 to the IPKF disaster.
You think that Indira did something horrible to the Indian Army?
 

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No Wonder after this, the Chinese went completely quiet. They dont have the balls, which is why they need their terrorist dog Pakistan. If we didnt have Nehru and V K Krishna Menon, both closest commie's and pacifist. Today either Tibet would have been Indian or a protectorate of India.
Free yes, Indian protectorate, well debatable.
 

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Adux said:
No Wonder after this, the Chinese went completely quiet. They dont have the balls, which is why they need their terrorist dog Pakistan. If we didnt have Nehru and V K Krishna Menon, both closest commie's and pacifist. Today either Tibet would have been Indian or a protectorate of India.
China isn't scared of India in the least. All they remember is 1962 and look at the poor infrastructure on the Indian side. They don't even know what Nathu La is so you can't quit with the chest thumping.
 

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China isn't scared of India in the least. All they remember is 1962 and look at the poor infrastructure on the Indian side. They don't even know what Nathu La is so you can't quit with the chest thumping.
Most Chinese don't know what they're not allowed to know Armand. Nathu La is the pass that is in the northern part of my home state Sikkim. It is one of the renowned battle zones between us and the Chinese. The pass is one of the most difficult battlefields on earth and not many forces around the world can survive it. Most previous generation people in my city know the incident off by heart.

Chinese aren't scared of us; but losses to them means they're not willing to fight for something that would incur them terrible losses. That is what happened in this location. Though there were no wars and only numerous small skirmishes, we refused to back down. The Reds have this characteristic that you might not know (from an enemy perspective); they usually shut up only after getting thrashed back. 62 was a wake-up call for us after what that @$$h_le Nehru had done. While these news would be considered "small and insignificant" in China to avoid embarrassment to the ruling party, you must also know that the war in 1962 wasn't even a third the size of the war in 1971 against Pakistan. I'd say Pakistan has more courage to actually hold a fight against us than the cowardly Reds.

If you are seriously thinking that the PLA "gave us back" our territory as a sign of "goodwill and peace", I am sure you've been reading too many CCP or Cold War-era NATO publications. I say this not just because of being an Indian, but because of the region where I stay. The PLA came marching inside our territory in style; But that is where they came across the same mess they saw much later in Vietnam; dense thickets, harsh cold, thin air and light humidity abruptly in the impenetrable forests of northeastern region. That became their Achilles' heel.

PLA supply lines were collapsing so badly that they could sustain their hold no more. If they had tried to stay back, their then-recently won "revolutionary war" would have collapsed as people in Tibet and Xingjiang weren't pleased of Red occupation then and all their newly won rule would have bitten the dust. Another factor that the world doesn't know about this conflict is that the locals in the interiors of NEFA(then named territory of entire northeast) were not pleased to see Chinese. While rest of India might have a hot and cold attitude towards China, we in the northeastern India don't like Chinese at all. Call it knowledgeable hatred but it is kind of ingrained. What the world doesn't know is the deaths of many soldiers being killed or maimed badly by locals including people of my state (then a kingdom protectorate).

The reason 1962 was a disaster was because of indecision by that schmuck Nehru and his committee of stupid ministers who had suicidally refused to buy and stockpile new weapons. We were virtually using WW2 arsenal to fight a USSR-armed fully automated PLA. The entire war was fought in 7 sectors out of which 4 the Chinese won and 3 we won. So how close it is to the "OH THE MAJOR EMBARRASSMENT" nonsense, you measure it yourself.

As for your ignorance on the incidents, I don't blame you since you're not of our region and obviously might not be familiar with things here, just as we aren't familiar with every tom,dick and harry conflict Europe has or had.
 
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It is renowned in India, it isn't even a footnote in China. If you think China cares about loses look at history, half a million just to save a tin-pot dictator whose country is a thorn in their side. Several tens of thousands to gain nothing. China hasn't shut up about it, they talk about beating your ass in 62 until the cows come home. They feel superior and there is no chest thumping and denial from the Indian side that changes the reality of what they feel. It isn't a debate about how significant it is to India or world history... the Chinese have forgotten it and they certainly aeren't scared of what they characterise as their poor little backwards neighbour to the South that they stomped in 62'.
 

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It is renowned in India, it isn't even a footnote in China. If you think China cares about loses look at history, half a million just to save a tin-pot dictator whose country is a thorn in their side. Several tens of thousands to gain nothing. China hasn't shut up about it, they talk about beating your ass in 62 until the cows come home. They feel superior and there is no chest thumping and denial from the Indian side that changes the reality of what they feel. It isn't a debate about how significant it is to India or world history... the Chinese have forgotten it and they certainly aeren't scared of what they characterise as their poor little backwards neighbour to the South that they stomped in 62'.
Did you even read what Tshering just said ?

Obviously the chinese govt wont mention it....they'd be massive idiots if they started publicizing there failures. Its not like they have a free media. Even the word jasmine is censored ffs.
 

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China isn't scared of India in the least. All they remember is 1962 and look at the poor infrastructure on the Indian side. They don't even know what Nathu La is so you can't quit with the chest thumping.
I love it when the frogs talk about chest thumping and victories. PLA is not the same as Chinese civilian! You are a complete idiot if you think otherwise, Those who knows, knows quite well, India has their terrritory as well as their number one enemy , and houses a government in exile which calls for the dis-integration of China, yet those awesome 'chicoms', dont diddly sqwat, ever wondered why? Welcome to Indian Armed Forces, unlike you - we usually win stuff.
 

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It is renowned in India, it isn't even a footnote in China. If you think China cares about loses look at history, half a million just to save a tin-pot dictator whose country is a thorn in their side. Several tens of thousands to gain nothing. China hasn't shut up about it, they talk about beating your ass in 62 until the cows come home. They feel superior and there is no chest thumping and denial from the Indian side that changes the reality of what they feel. It isn't a debate about how significant it is to India or world history... the Chinese have forgotten it and they certainly aeren't scared of what they characterise as their poor little backwards neighbour to the South that they stomped in 62'.
So they are delusional, all the better for us.
 

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It is renowned in India, it isn't even a footnote in China. If you think China cares about loses look at history, half a million just to save a tin-pot dictator whose country is a thorn in their side. Several tens of thousands to gain nothing. China hasn't shut up about it, they talk about beating your ass in 62 until the cows come home. They feel superior and there is no chest thumping and denial from the Indian side that changes the reality of what they feel. It isn't a debate about how significant it is to India or world history... the Chinese have forgotten it and they certainly aeren't scared of what they characterise as their poor little backwards neighbour to the South that they stomped in 62'.
In addition to the others here who have responded, let me tell you - I was not even aware of Nathu La skirmish till I started visiting defence forums on the internet (around 2009-2010). Most people in India aren't even aware of this, even those who know the 62' defeat very well.

It is hardly "renowned" in India. And if the Chinese feel superior due to the 62' victory - well, as long as that doesn't lead them into anything foolhardy, it hardly matters. And if it does - all the better for us if they enter the war in a delusional state. :)
 

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I love it when the frogs talk about chest thumping and victories.
That's fine, we have the battle record, you do not.
PLA is not the same as Chinese civilian! You are a complete idiot if you think otherwise,
You are a complete idiot if you think otherwise. They are brainwashed from cradle to grave with false history. It doesn't matter if they are a civilian or in the PLA, they read the same crap.

Those who knows, knows quite well, India has their terrritory as well as their number one enemy , and houses a government in exile which calls for the dis-integration of China, yet those awesome 'chicoms', dont diddly sqwat, ever wondered why?
You are talking about a people whose vast majority doesn't even know what happened at Tienanmen Square much less care what is going on with the DL and LoC. They don't think outside of their town much less province or international affairs. They only care about what affects them today. The only Chinese that know about Nathu La are the ones that read it here and they won't believe it anyway.

Welcome to Indian Armed Forces, unlike you - we usually win stuff.
Welcome to ignorance of your neighbour's perceptions... ignorance always loses.
 

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Welcome to ignorance of your neighbour's perceptions... ignorance always loses.
Now I'm convinced u work for Fool-Ya Bureau to pass out impressions that Chinese live in delusion or ignorance about southern neighbors
 

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That's fine, we have the battle record, you do not.
What record? Indo-China?

You are a complete idiot if you think otherwise. They are brainwashed from cradle to grave with false history. It doesn't matter if they are a civilian or in the PLA, they read the same crap.
You think we dont know that. The PLA leadership is quite aware, there is a reason they havent attacked even after we have been extremely provocative, they have gone to wars for lesser reasons. We dont care whether they know it or not. We do.



You are talking about a people whose vast majority doesn't even know what happened at Tienanmen Square much less care what is going on with the DL and LoC. They don't think outside of their town much less province or international affairs. They only care about what affects them today. The only Chinese that know about Nathu La are the ones that read it here and they won't believe it anyway.
Again, we are aware of that, what is your point?



Welcome to ignorance of your neighbour's perceptions... ignorance always loses.
The decision makers know, that matters to us. Nobody has ever claimed, the Chicoms trolls knows anyways. Who is ignornant over here, just 2 people, 1. You, who is not aware that we dont give a damn. 2. Chicoms, who dont know what we can do to them, and have in the past.
 

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1.Guys, you know where we're going to fight the Chinese?
In the mountains, We had our fingers burned in the last war in the mountains because we had no artillery.
2.Take a look at the infrastructure on the Chinese side and compare with our own.
3.Something horrible happened to the Indian Army in the 1970s, it's not the professional force it once was in the 1970s, even our own senior officers rate our infantry 3 out of 10.

Just keep this in mind before we go chest thumping.
 

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