Balochistan Freedom Movement gets a voice on DFI

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  1. Yusuf

    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    May be i dont know. Thats what this section is for. Let us get opinion from all quarters. I sure hope the Baluchi Nationalists will see this section and come across and post their views. What we have is open source media fed. May be the ones on the ground will have something for us.. Like is said, time will tell.
     
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    What middle class?

    Whatever Baloch middle class is there, lives in Karachi.
     
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    Cyril Almeida begs to differ with you.

    "While the latest armed insurgency may be relatively small, it has given rise to a new phenomenon: the educated, middle-class, non-tribal insurgent."

    "Forming the core of the BLF, this new breed of insurgent is epitomised by Dr Allah Nazar."

    "But those hard-line views appear to have gained traction with a number of degree-holding Baloch men. Tarin, the journalist who interviewed Nazar last summer, claims that of the fighters who were with Nazar, “many were doctors and engineers”.

    "And with the state’s response to separatist sentiment still mired in lethality, the potential for more educated, middle-class, non-tribal Baloch men to embrace violence would appear to be high."

    A weaker insurgency, but with new contours | Newspaper | DAWN.COM
     
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    People, this is announcement thread. Please post in relevant threads or make new ones in the Baluchistan sub forum.
     
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    No problem you can move this thread to members corner, and make a fresh announcement.
     
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    Got that will do now accordingly.
    Thanks
     
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    EDIT- wrong thread
     
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    Guys, why do we keep constantly referring to them here as "Baluchistan"? Its an old, British, extinct way of spelling. It is Balochistan, and the spelling should be corrected so that when people are searching for it, the relevant threads prop up! I had earlier asked to rename an earlier thread with the same spelling fallacy, and now he have a whole section. If we wish people to be directed to the right place, than we should spell it as it is widely spelled now, i.e. Balochistan. Not how the British used to spell it.

    Its like opening a thread on Jalandhar, but spelling it like the British, Jullundur, and expecting people interested in Jalandhar to be able to find it. (For the lack of a better example).
     
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    Tronic thanks a lot the correction will be done in a while
     
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    The frailty in you position is quite evident. You don't want an improvement in the condition of Balochistan - just direct freedom - an obvious child's tantrum response to Kashmir.

    Anybody who digs a little deep into the issue will see that the liberation fighters are all feudal lords and own the people who live on their lands and the entire fight is about taking the power out of the hands of the feudal lords and giving it to the people.
     
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    I am sorry we forgot to take your permission in what would be ok to start here on DFI. We will take your advice next time to find out what is a freedom movement and what is terrorism sponsored by state.
     
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    Have you considered a simpler option? Leave them alone, along with their oil? ;)
     
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    Its silly how as an institution you guys are dedicated to take pangay with Pakistan :D
     
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    In Kashmir, the Hurriyat leaders are all feudal lords or spiritual heads who have made money and property through manipulating religion as religious leaders are wont to do.

    One would be really surprised if movements of reckoning can be launched and sustained by the impoverished.

    Even the use of piety and religion is all about Power and very little about religion.

    Your Taliban is an ideal example. Why are they attacking Muslims in Pakistan? Are the Muslims of Pakistan fraudulent in their belief in Islam and Allah and the Taliban alone are the real religious Joes? No sir, it is all about Power.

    What is the historical fight between the Shias and Sunnis when they have the same Prophet and believe in the same Koran about?

    Again, it is the issue of Power!

    To be sure, Islam is the only religion where adherents believe in their religious scriptures with a zeal which no other religion can match!

    Every religion has kept pace with the times and have evolved. Islam also evolved till the 10th Century when Ijtihad was in vogue.

    But after that it was discontinued.

    For those who do not know what ijtihad is it is the process of making of a decision in Islamic law (sharia) by personal effort (jihad), independently of any school (madhhab) of jurisprudence (fiqh) as opposed to taqlid, copying or obeying without question has been discontinued in Sunni Islam since the 10th Century since to be valid and accepted it has to be rooted in the Qur'an and the hadith and it is required that no established doctrine rules the case. This is no longer feasible since there is no consensus that there is any mujtahid i.e. an Islamic scholar and who is competent to interpret sharia by ijtihad.(or interpretation) of the Koran.

    Further, a mujtahid is someone qualified to exercise ijtihad, which literally means striving and technically means juridical endeavour and competence to infer expert legal rulings from foundational proofs within or without a particular school of law.

    A mujtahid mutlaq or "absolute mujtahid" is one that attained the rank of the Four Imams Abu Hanifa, Malik, al-Shafi`i, and Ahmad in knowledge of Arabic, qualification to apply legal reasoning, draw analogies, and infer rulings from the evidence independently of the methodology and findings of the Sunni Schools, through his own linguistic and juridical perspicuity and extensive knowledge of the texts.

    There is no mujtahid mutlaq today nor even a claimant to that title.

    Therefore, while there is a desire to be in line with the times, yet the radicals confuse the issues, circumvent issue cleverly and slyly and pretend to be the flag bearers of 'true' Islam and none dare challenge them since they invoke the name of Allah at will as also have no hesitation in killing those who challenge their power.

    Such people are also those who are leading movements and they also have adequate funds given by rich Donors and by many honest believers who are fooled by these radicals that they are fighting for the cause of the religion!

    So, Asim, it all boil down to Power!!

    And since Pakistan is in a turmoil with all types of people manoeuvring for power, be they politicians, the Army, the Mullah, the common man is totally confused and worried about their lives and want to be away from such a chaotic scene.

    Hence sub- nationalism like the Balochs, Shia of Northern Area, the Saraiki movement, Jiyo Sindh etc are taking root.

    And that also is an issue of Power!
     
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    We did and thats where the real crime of Pakistani leaders lie. From 1947 to 2003 this is what Pakistanis did with the Baloch. For example a road has to be built. It'll cost USD100,000. The Baloch feudal lord comes to the government says I'll get it done in USD 50,000. But you got to pay me USD 25,000. Deal done. The road gets built all crap, the same feudal lord blames the government, hiding the facts of his own involvement in corruption too.

    This all changed with Musharraf.

    He didn't pay the feudal lords squat. So they turned violent. Musharraf incidentally got the most work done in Balochistan too.
     
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    Good Point but with threatening tone.

    However their is nothing we Indians feels about Pakistan to be friend with. The same goes with any Pakistani who have the same feeling. We are going to spoil the taste of mouths on all possible occasion. Animosity is not a one way street one must have guts to digest 'Dusmandari'.
     
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    Well, still, leave them alone. I am personally opposed to feudal systems, anywhere. However, let the poor Baloch rise up and kick their overlords in their posteriors and setup a parliament or shura. If an external force enters to 'sort things out,' it will obviously look bad.

    The same thing happened with Soviet-Afghan cooperation and later when Soviet Army entered Afghanistan to help the Afghan Army fight the mujahideen. People ignored the bad side of the Mujahideens, along with the development of Afghanistan done by USSR, and instead saw it as an invasion, which was not an invasion at all.

    Said that, why not let the Baloch lords control their oil? Assuming they are corrupt, the common Baloch will rise up and revolt against their own lords. In fact, if that was true, it would be easy for Islamabad to arm them as insurgents (Pakistan has decades of experience in this :)). Why did that not happen? Something is missing in your justification.
     
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    What to do, we all are a bit "tedhe".
     
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    Your whole country is run by feudal lords. Or the army. So whats your point? First abolish the Zamindari system in Pakistan, than talk.
     
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    Are you sure that is the reason?

    I(S the above incorrect?
     
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