Arjun Mk2 will use Leclerc and Merkava components

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Great, if you are right, which I hope you are, then that means the FMBT won't join the IA anytime before 2020. Wonder, how futuristic the FMBT will actually be, if its coming out after another 10 years, when there's talk of developing next generation of tanks by the Americans, Brits etc having features like stealth, self driven capability and all. I hope the IA gets something that is in tune with the times and the kind of developments taking place in armored warfare vehicles.
Sure. The FMBT is supposed to be a stealth design and what not along with directed energy weapons. Automated systems including turret, electrical drives, a crew of 2 or 3 etc.

They say prototype testing will start only in 2017-18, which means induction will happen only after 2020.
 

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Good Insight...

Though, Sir must understand its a prototype for demostration, Production varient or END product have to be 90% Indian..

No one knows it better than DRDO and Army...



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Good Insight...

Though, Sir must understand its a prototype for demostration, Production varient or END product have to be 90% Indian..

No one knows it better than DRDO and Army...



CHEERS!!!! :)
The news itself may not be true.
 

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India should get merkava 4 on tot from israel

they have close relation with israel and they might agree as well
 

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I believe that even now, our foreign defense experts will have some problem with the Arjun tank :troll:
 

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India should get merkava 4 on tot from israel

they have close relation with israel and they might agree as well
but I dont think that India would be happy to buy yet another foriegn tank.
 

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India should get merkava 4 on tot from israel

they have close relation with israel and they might agree as well
I think u need to shut up , pls some one bring baygon spray to let get rid of this mosquito

we buy only which we don't have tech or in very much need of , not like u guys begging & getting plate full of chinese trash
 

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but I dont think that India would be happy to buy yet another foriegn tank.
pay more and get 100% TOT than manufacture everything at home

in t-90 case india doesnt enjoy complete tot such as tot for main gun or armour are not given

while Israel may do if paid more

believe me just 300 merkava 4 are enough against 2000 Al khalid
 

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pay more and get 100% TOT than manufacture everything at home

in t-90 case india doesnt enjoy complete tot such as tot for main gun or armour are not given

while Israel may do if paid more

believe me just 300 merkava 4 are enough against 2000 Al khalid
Not sure but for us fanboys ToT is everything know how for a production of that product.
India can manufacture the Su-30mki right from raw materials but cant change even a bolt or screw positioning without Russian consent.
Considering this till now we should have the know how for Jet engines upto Al-31 class
but is seems ToT dont happens that way.
We are still trying to perfect our own engineering.
Nothing else then you own effort, no one ever in business will give you his trade secret through which he is earning profit.
 

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Very good info for Indian Army, and armoured corps.
It's seems that Arjun will have major changes.

I have a few notes:

And US-based Cummins offering a customised QSK-38 liquid-cooled, direct-injection engine coupled to the ESM-500. In late 2009, a combination of the QSK-38/ESM-500 powerpack was selected as the winner, following which Cummins India began customising this powerpack design
So CVRDE choose engine not integate in power-pack yet, and not used on any tank yet.
Wartisla V8X-1500 was propably rejected due to fuel comsumption like in gas turbine, and Germans never alowed for full transfer technology of MB-883 (whit law to re-export...) Intresting that Perkins CV12 Condor loose - price was to big? More or less QSK-38:
Cummins G-Drive Generator Engines
is not used in tanks yet.

For ensuring MBT survivability, the Defence Metallurgical Research Laboratory (DMRL) — located in Kanchanbagh, Hyderabad — has developed a Mk2 variant of its Kanchan modular armour, which was made by sandwiching composite panels (ceramic, alumina, fibre- glass and nickel-alloy) between rolled homogenous armour (RHA) plates to defeat APFDS or HEAT rounds.
Interesting I will say...very interesting.

developed multi-layered multi-functional fibre-reinforced polymer (FRP) composite hull/turret sub-structures at much lower weights in comparison with metallic counterparts
This solution (as single layerd) was used in Sviet Union in BDD Armour :) But intresting infos too.

is co-cured composites integral armour (CIA), which comprises ceramic tiles and rubber sandwiched between two FRP composites layers. While the outer FRP composite layer acts as a cover and provides confinement, the ceramic layer provides primary protection against ballistic impact, and the inner FRP composite layer acts as the structural part as well as secondary energy absorbing mechanism. The rubber layer isolates stiff and brittle ceramic tiles from structural member.
And this really interesting...descriptions is very simmilar to the polisz CAWA-2 amour and one of it's 3 model...
CAWA-2:

Those values for CAWA-2 are given for some LOS. Anone can image how protection may look in mucht thicker Arjun turret.

For protecting the Arjun Mk2 against tandem-charge PRGs and guided anti-tank missiles, the CVRDE and IMI have co-developed a lightweight non-energetic reactive armour (NERA) package, comprising tiles in which two metal plates sandwich an inert liner, such as rubber. When struck by a shaped-charge's metal jet, some of the impact energy is dissipated into the inert liner layer, and the resulting high-pressure causes a localised bending or bulging of the plates in the area of the impact. As the plates bulge, the point of jet impact shifts with the plate-bulging, increasing the effective thickness of the armour.
Finally! NERA from Germany went to Israel and now it will go to the Arjun tank. It's greate info. Protection achived by NERA is able to reduce more then 96% of single SC warhed penetration abilities, or completly stopped precursor in double SC warhed, and reduce main warhed up to 30%. In purest eample NERA is used on Leopard-2A5-A7 turret (those "wedges on turret") on Strv.122, Leo-2A6HEL/E/Ex hull, Leo-2A7 hull, and on Merkava Mk.IV modular armour.

German NERA provide by IBD:


very simple NERA tests:


NERA on Merkava Mk.IV:

(NOTICE! photo on upper left corner is form Iraq - M1A1.)

For ensuring fool-proof protection against new-generation anti-armour guided-missiles, the Arjun Mk2 will incorporate both multi-threat warning sensors and an active protection system (APS). The former, supplied by Elbit Systems, comprises four E-LWS sensors that can detect, categorise and pinpoint laser sources, including rangefinders, designators, beam-riders, and infra-red illuminators. E-LWS also enables direction indication for all threats, as well as audio and visual warnings. It is immune to reflection, gunfire, lightning, fire and self-electro-optical operations. The Iron Fist APS, being supplied by IMI, uses two fixed radar sensors to detect potential threats and measures distance and trajectory for providing the APS' fire-control (...) Unlike other systems, the Iron Fist uses only the blast effect to defeat the threat, crushing the soft components of a shaped-charge or deflecting and destabilising the guided-missile or kinetic rod in their flight. The interceptor is made of combustible material, and is fully consumed in the explosion. Without the risk of shrapnel(...)
Iron Fist can handle multiple targets simultaneously with different intercept methods, including multiple countermeasures fired at two simultaneous threats at the same sector.
Another good news.
Iron Fist was rejected by Isreaeli army (Trophy aka "Windbreaker" was slighty better), but is relativly cheap, and quite good against limited attack. The last part decribe max. ability Iron Fist to protect. This system is not able to deal against Kornet-MR (or other new soltion when more then 2-3 ATGM's can be guided in one salvo) but can be very effective againt RPG, older ATGM's, modern single-fired -ATGMs etc.
Photos form IronFist test in Israel:


. Finally, a mobile camouflage system has been developed and integrated into the Arjun Mk2 in collaboration with Sweden's Barracuda Camouflage Ltd to reduce the vehicle's signature against all known sensors and smart munitions.
Saab Barracuda...well -it's not so bad multispectral cover, it can be placed on first generation cover:

(On left - intermat painting, next NAKIDKA, and on right bottom corner - Saab Barracua).
It's importan to notice that they are newest and mucht better solution then Barracuda (rejected by Australian army after test in Australia) like russian Kontrast/Tarnina, polish Berberys, Israeli (don't remember name) etc.

tbc
 

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i don't whether this components will make arjun expensive or not which is already at 8millions each


At the moment AL khalid Use french fcs,transmission and suspension,Thermal imagers,ukrainian engine,ukranian kombat atgm but still cost(as per HIT leaks in 2004) 2.9millions $ each..roughly 3 times less expensive than arjun
 

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Not sure but for us fanboys ToT is everything know how for a production of that product.
India can manufacture the Su-30mki right from raw materials but cant change even a bolt or screw positioning without Russian consent.
Considering this till now we should have the know how for Jet engines upto Al-31 class
but is seems ToT dont happens that way.
We are still trying to perfect our own engineering.
Nothing else then you own effort, no one ever in business will give you his trade secret through which he is earning profit.
well i really doubt that india manufacture complete MKI from raw
 

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second part

will instead use a totally electronic modular electric gun and turret drive stabilisation (EGTDS) system supplied by Elbit Systems.
Again- very good news!

The Arjun Mk2 will also incorporate a brand-new Elbit-designed Commander's panoramic sight (CAPS) — a dual axis stabilised line-of-sight, remote-operated, periscopic system for independent target acquisition, battlefield surveillance and main gun firing in a 'hunter-killer' auto-track mode. The CAPS will use a SAGEM-built Matis-STD thermal imager that operates in the 3-5 micron bandwidth, while the gunner's sight will employ a THALES-built Catherine-FC thermal imager (operating in the 8-12 micron bandwidth.
Knight-Falcon Mk.III from Merkava Mk.III?? It's seems that Arjun will hava meny common whit Merkava Mk.III FCS.

The Arjun Mk2's loader will be able to load the 120mm rifled-bore main gun from a fully automated, fire-proof magazine, which will accommodate up to 10 ready rounds and deliver up to four types of ammunition types to the loader. In addition to APFSDS and HESH rounds, the Arjun Mk2 will make use of IMI-built APAM munitions designed to neutralize — especially in urban built-up terrain — tank-killer squads lurking with lethal anti-tank weapons. The APAM uses the proven concept of anti-personnel munitions based on controlled fragmentation. It deploys sub-munition shrapnel at defined intervals, covering a wide lethal area against soft targets.
1. So those LOL-gun will be still placed on Arjun :) Good luck whit looking good APFSDS...
2. This 10 rounds magazine will be exatly that magazine taken from Mrekava Mk.IV:

So they will be still 4 person crew. Loader will have only small "hatch" to take given by turret bustle auto-rack one round. It's exatly teh same solution like in Merkava Mk.IV. So finnaly amunition shoud be separated from the crew in turret! Finally!
2. APAM is good news -mucht better then HE-FRAG ad HESH rounds.

For improving crew comfort, the Arjun Mk2 will incorporate an Elbit Systems-supplied individual crew and equipment cooling system (ICECS), while will provide cooled and dried air from a special air conditioner to air-cooled overalls or vests. The air will naturally cool the upper torso of each crewman. Also being acquired from Elbit through a transfer-of-technology agreement for the MBT crew are regular/fire-resistant air-cooled overalls,
Another very important part. So indyvidual protection system for tank crews will be avaible.
 

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Since arjun mk2 and merkava 3/4 has lots of similarities, FMBT & Merkava 5 wish to be joint research
 

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