Another Proof of Marx's Folly: Cuba

[The Messiah]

I said it was crony capitalism,
Crony corporatism is not the same as capitalism, I'm talking about, of course is no bailouts, etc.
Just like Stalinism is not the same as the welfare state(a destructive system as well)
What was about that reference to Africa?

usa which touts itself as a capitalistic country bailed out wallstreet...that shouldn't have happened.

communist countries also never followed communism in its true spirit but then that is ignored.

i dont see any socialist or communist countries in africa, so since all are capitalistic countries then shouldn't they be prospering ?

 

[The Messiah]

That's why I'm saying, I'd pay for it instead.

But for how many will you pay for ? In India lakhs turn up at govt hospitals every day and if India started following capitalism in its true form then they'd be turned away.

 

[pmaitra]

But for how many will you pay for ? In India lakhs turn up at govt hospitals every day and if India started following capitalism in its true form then they'd be turned away.

The irony is that most who tout and brandish Capitalism have never experienced the darker side of it.

Expecting tax cuts for medical bills? That is a scream. Most of these touts of Capitalism as closet Socialists.

 

[Naren1987]

usa which touts itself as a capitalistic country bailed out wallstreet...that shouldn't have happened.

communist countries also never followed communism in its true spirit but then that is ignored.

i dont see any socialist or communist countries in africa, so since all are capitalistic countries then shouldn't they be prospering ?

1.That's what capitalism is NOT, THAT is CRONY CORPORATISM that I was speaking out against, have you NOT been reading my posts?
2.That's what all communists have been saying for years, yet we never see a decent one coming up, I think I'll stay away from a system with a record of failure.
3.There's also the culture factor, that's true, for example Iceland is doing a much better job than Latin America, and so does fellow Scandinavian country Sweden perform much better at Socialism than Spain.

But that's what I'm talking about, the culture factor.
A Swedish politicians cannot hope to get re-elected if he does a sloppy job with the country's healthcare, because the Swedes are a mono-ethnic,mono-cultural country that will surely vote him out.
That's not the case in India, if competence weere the sole criteria would pseudo-Secular idiots like Diggy and Lalu ever get elected?
Libertarianism is the only way for India, as long as it remains multi-cultural.

 

[pmaitra]

Capitalism, Socialism, Communism, Corporatism, Libertarianism, ...

Too many -isms all over the place.

 

[Naren1987]

But for how many will you pay for ? In India lakhs turn up at govt hospitals every day and if India started following capitalism in its true form then they'd be turned away.

Oh boy, not the smartest chap in class, were you?
At my job, I get a rebate if I upload an image of a receipt for HRA, etc.
All private sector employees can do the same thing.
You just upload the JPG files of a receipt, as proof of your payment for an underprivileged kid's schoold fees at a decent competent, private school.
The same can apply to medical bills for a poor patient.
And you get a rebate, millions of private sector employees can pay for theeducation, healthcare for millions of poor people

 

[The Messiah]

1.That's what capitalism is NOT, THAT is CRONY CORPORATISM that I was speaking out against, have you NOT been reading my posts?
2.That's what all communists have been saying for years, yet we never see a decent one coming up, I think I'll stay away from a system with a record of failure.
3.There's also the culture factor, that's true, for example Iceland is doing a much better job than Latin America, and so does fellow Scandinavian country Sweden perform much better at Socialism than Spain.

But that's what I'm talking about, the culture factor.
A Swedish politicians cannot hope to get re-elected if he does a sloppy job with the country's healthcare, because the Swedes are a mono-ethnic,mono-cultural country that will surely vote him out.
That's not the case in India, if competence weere the sole criteria would pseudo-Secular idiots like Diggy and Lalu ever get elected?
Libertarianism is the only way for India, as long as it remains multi-cultural.

If usa is following crony capitalism then which country is following capitalism in its true form ?

Its no secret that communist countries weren't following communism in its true form...even leftists who said so were silenced and never heard from again.

I agree that culture plays an imp part. Also note that ive never said India should follow socialism....it should be a mixture of socialism and capitalism. In India following one or the other would have a negative impact.

 

[Naren1987]

Listen twerp, if you cannot answer my question, then shut your trap. Also, spurious capitalising will not get you anywhere.

Just curious, have you ever had an IQ test, it's just that there was this article about somebody recording a score of 25, I'm wondering whether that was you.

1.You said that India was built by Socialism
2.India was a Socialist economy until 1991,
3.India had poor infrastructure, high poverty rates, lowest GDP per capita, etc.
Therefore I draw the conclusion that Socialism never worked in India.
That is what the year 1991 was about, our last year of the system that built the wonderful, prosperous first world country that we live in.

 

[The Messiah]

Oh boy, not the smartest chap in class, were you?
At my job, I get a rebate if I upload an image of a receipt for HRA, etc.
All private sector employees can do the same thing.
You just upload the JPG files of a receipt, as proof of your payment for an underprivileged kid's schoold fees at a decent competent, private school.
The same can apply to medical bills for a poor patient.
And you get a rebate, millions of private sector employees can pay for theeducation, healthcare for millions of poor people

You dont know the ground realities. If you can get a rebate and so could others then why are people still turned away from private hospitals.

Your scheme looks good only on paper...with how administration works in India only 10 out of 100 will get help from donors.

 

[Naren1987]

If usa is following crony capitalism then which country is following capitalism in its true form ?

Its no secret that communist countries weren't following communism in its true form...even leftists who said so were silenced and never heard from again.

I agree that culture plays an imp part. Also note that ive never said India should follow socialism....it should be a mixture of socialism and capitalism. In India following one or the other would have a negative impact.

Again the US, before they established the central banking system, the Federal Reserve, which is as federal as Federal express.
Before that, they were a pretty well do do economy.

 

[pmaitra]

Just curious, have you ever had an IQ test, it's just that there was this article about somebody recording a score of 25, I'm wondering whether that was you.

1.You said that India was built by Socialism
2.India was a Socialist economy until 1991,
3.India had poor infrastructure, high poverty rates, lowest GDP per capita, etc.
Therefore I draw the conclusion that Socialism never worked in India.
That is what the year 1991 was about, our last year of the system that built the wonderful, prosperous first world country that we live in.

Wait a second, India was capitalist and under the British monarchy until 1947. What was India in 1947 and what was it in 1991? Do you know if you want to judge progress, you need to have two different timepoints? You gave the ending timepoint of 1991, when is your starting timepoint?

First bother about your own IQ, then worry about others'.

 

[LurkerBaba]

Wait a second, India was capitalist and under the British monarchy until 1947. What was India in 1947 and what was it in 1991

You're now comparing the Republic of India with an imperial colony ?

 

[Naren1987]

You dont know the ground realities. If you can get a rebate and so could others then why are people still turned away from private hospitals.

Because there is no such system in place right now, GOD!!!

Your scheme looks good only on paper...with how administration works in India only 10 out of 100 will get help from donors.

What makes you think that our public hospitals are the envy of the world?
That's exactly what this is about reducing dependency on the administration, why should it be so hard to explain it to you guys?

 

[The Messiah]

Again the US, before they established the central banking system, the Federal Reserve, which is as federal as Federal express.
Before that, they were a pretty well do do economy.

The rise of usa and europe is not because of capitalism. It was because of looting the wealth of other countries and building infrastructure on the backs of slaves and not to mention the industrial revolution.

 

[The Messiah]

You're now comparing the Republic of India with an imperial colony ?

India wasn't a colony in 1947.

 

[pmaitra]

Indian Progress under Nehruvian Socialism where 5 Year Plans were implemented after inspiration from the USSR.

• First Five-Year Plan (1951-1956) - Irrigation and Dams.
• Second Five-Year Plan (1956–1961) - Heavy industry.
• Third Five-Year Plan (1961–1966) - Agriculture with focus on wheat.
• Fourth Five-Year Plan (1969–1974) - Nationalisation of Banks.
• Fifth Five-Year Plan (1974–1979) - Employment, poverty alleviation, justice and self-reliance in agricultural production and defence.
• Sixth Five-Year Plan (1980–1985) - Liberalisation (beginning of gradual departure from Nehruvian Socialism).

You're now comparing the Republic of India with an imperial colony ?

Welcome back! Read above and let's debate.

I am comparing Capitalism with Socialism. Was the British Empire Capitalist or not? Just give me a yes or no answer.

BTW, you statement is flawed. India was not a British Colony. India was part of the British Empire and there were 192 Princely States with their Indian Kings, all vassals to the British Crown; plus there were Agencies and Presidencies. So it is technically wrong to call the entire country a colony.

Anyways, back to the question (it would be very kind of you if you did not deflect my question).

 

[Naren1987]

Wait a second, India was capitalist and under the British monarchy until 1947. What was India in 1947 and what was it in 1991? Do you know if you want to judge progress, you need to have two different timepoints? You gave the ending timepoint of 1991, when is your starting timepoint?

First bother about your own IQ, then worry about others'.

Ehhh?
That was an era of Imperialism, designed to benefit British interests, We live in a free country today which is supposed to serve our own interests, this is why you desperately need that IQ test.

I can give you several periods,
1.The one between 1947 and 1950, when we were growing at 8% per annum
2.The one between 1950 and 1991, when we had the sluggish 'Hindu' rate of growth.

 

[Naren1987]

India wasn't a colony in 1947.

It was for the first 7 months, stupid.

 

[LurkerBaba]

India wasn't a colony in 1947.

Read again to know what I meant,

Wait a second, India was capitalist and under the British monarchy until 1947. .

this has to be the worst argument against capitalism

 

[Tolaha]

Wait a second, India was capitalist and under the British monarchy until 1947.

And I thought there was no nation called 'India' before 1947!
(sarcasm)