ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[rohit b3]

a tight slap for Tejas haters.. .those who had said Tejas takes 20 hr maintenance...for one hour sortie ...

This is excellent. All 8 Indian Air Force LCA Tejas jets forward deployed (some at Phalodi air base in Rajasthan) for Exercise Gagan Shakti. Here's HAL chairman Suvarna Raju saying they're flying three sorties a day each.


and in your terminology .....I am a fan boy .....hmm I am ...and proud of it ....a Tejas lover

But the question is, 3 sorties per aircraft a day or 3 sorties among the 8 fighters in total per day? If each of the 8 Tejas are doing 3 sorties, it should be 24 sorties in total per day.

 

[AMCA]

But the question is, 3 sorties per aircraft a day or 3 sorties among the 8 fighters in total per day? If each of the 8 Tejas are doing 3 sorties, it should be 24 sorties in total per day.

Each Tejas is flying 3 sorties per day which means 24 sorties per day for all 8 aircrafts. Exercise will continue for 14 days and the total no. of sorties will sum up to 336.

 

[kunal1123]

But the question is, 3 sorties per aircraft a day or 3 sorties among the 8 fighters in total per day? If each of the 8 Tejas are doing 3 sorties, it should be 24 sorties in total per day.

watch carefully he say all the 8 aircraft that have been delivered flies 3 sorties a day means each one flies 3 sorties....

 

[patriots]

LSPs are not inducted in airforce and lsp 8 =SP 1 to 9
so if LSP can fire bvr SP 1to 9 also can....

lsp are not inducted ....as I know only lsp 8 was previously modified for bvr firing...and it's for foc..

don't know about IOC version s bvr capability...

 

[Rahul Singh]

As impressive as it gets.

 

[Narasimh]

As impressive as it gets.

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Excellent! Is this from Gagan Shakti?

 

[abingdonboy]

So we are suppossed to believe that the quality of Rafale coming out of DRAL will be on par with that of French made Rafales knowing that DRAL hasn't made a precision nut and bolt to this day?

HAL tendering to buy precision tooling is perfectly fine and in this day and age most precision tooling providers are good and are able to meet well within needs. Actually doing so would have ensured lower cost of tooling and set-up costs for facilities. Guaranteeing HAL made Rafales would have been easy as well since anyways full time Dassault manufacturing and process experts would on site from day 0 to ensure the build quality is as expected.

Reality is Dassault wasn't keen on giving out deep airframe secrets to HAL which with Tejas, AMCA, Ghatak UCAV and future projects etc. would potentially be a big competitor in the future. Another reason is that they weren't keen on giving out full-tot either.

They knew from day one knowing what HAL does about MKI and others over the years, HAL would have an insight of aircraft few in the world have, an ability to know the inherent strengths and weaknesses of western and Russian airframes & design philosophy.

Reality is for the most case, DRAL will put parts coming from France together or in most cases, they'll slap a nice 'made in India' sticker or laser etch it, even a nice 'make in India' Lion on it just so they can show it off to high level folks coming to visit once in a while. knowing full well how Reliance operates for decades, that's probably how it will end up.

You realise this is true for EVERY OEM, why single out Dassault?

In fact US OEMs are even more restricted as by LAW they cannot even sell sensitive American tech to any country without official sanction from US CONGRESS.

Rafale is the only affordable choice because of the sunk costs already committed to by the IAF, the level of delusion some have to go to ignore the fact that the 36 unit Rafale deal exists is unbelievable. This isn’t a repeat of MMRCA, the entire landscape has changed, by the time the RFP is even out for these new jets Rafale will be in IAF service, Indian crews are already in France RIGHT now, Dassault is RIGHT NOW integrating IAF Buyer Nominated Equioment (BNE), DA is RIGHT NOW working with IAF to integrate Rafale into AFNET and IAF service procedures.

You’re mad if you can’t see how this makes the RFI tailormade for Rafale.

Every day that passes Rafale becomes the only viable offer

Best part is how many are rewriting history, the Rafale and EFT were the ONLY two fighters found to adequately meet IAF’s criteria. For some reason the F-16/18, Gripen and Mig-35 are somehow serious contenders again just because they have signed MOUs with some Indian companies?

 

[Rahul Singh]

Excellent! Is this from Gagan Shakti?

Old pic.....not from Gagan Sakti.

 

[mahesh]

im wondering, what if Tejas was never ours and we choose to purchase Tejas from other country may be russia or french(regardless of parts from different countries like radar, engines...). Now how much it would have COST to get 1 squadron(or the current orders) of it. (like just the jet or Jets with total ToT)
im feeling it would be enormous.

 

[Prashant12]

DRDO Uttam AESA on display at #DefExpo18. I was told it’s been integrated with an LSP, energized and tested on ground. Planned first flight in a month or so.


DRDO says they are applying a lot of lessons from development and fielding of the AESA unit on the Netra AEW aircraft in service with @IAF_MCC. Hoping for Uttam to be ready for certification and service entry some time in 2019.

 

[pankaj nema]

You realise this is true for EVERY OEM, why single out Dassault?

In fact US OEMs are even more restricted as by LAW they cannot even sell sensitive American tech to any country without official sanction from US CONGRESS.

Rafale is the only affordable choice because of the sunk costs already committed to by the IAF, the level of delusion some have to go to ignore the fact that the 36 unit Rafale deal exists is unbelievable. This isn’t a repeat of MMRCA, the entire landscape has changed, by the time the RFP is even out for these new jets Rafale will be in IAF service, Indian crews are already in France RIGHT now, Dassault is RIGHT NOW integrating IAF Buyer Nominated Equioment (BNE), DA is RIGHT NOW working with IAF to integrate Rafale into AFNET and IAF service procedures.

You’re mad if you can’t see how this makes the RFI tailormade for Rafale.

Every day that passes Rafale becomes the only viable offer

Best part is how many are rewriting history, the Rafale and EFT were the ONLY two fighters found to adequately meet IAF’s criteria. For some reason the F-16/18, Gripen and Mig-35 are somehow serious contenders again just because they have signed MOUs with some Indian companies?

The only problem with Rafale is its Unwillingness to work with HAL

If Govt of India announces Dassault Reliance Venture right now for more Rafales it would be called a scam by the opposition

This whole circus could have been avoided if HAL would have become a Minority partner with Dassault Aviation in a New JV Company

 

[tejas warrior]

Excellent! Is this from Gagan Shakti?

This picture is from Republic day preparations.

 

[abingdonboy]

The only problem with Rafale is its Unwillingness to work with HAL

If Govt of India announces Dassault Reliance Venture right now for more Rafales it would be called a scam by the opposition

This whole circus could have been avoided if HAL would have become a Minority partner with Dassault Aviation in a New JV Company

Irrelevant now. Under new SPM private sector JVs are encouraged, there’s no insistence to work with HAL.

And there already is a Dassault Reliance JV- DRAL and it is the ONLY JV that is actually doing work TODAY that actually has any facilities right now, all others (TASL/LM, BOEING/HAL/MAHINDRA, SAAB/ADANI) are all on paper.

 

[Prashant12]

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[Rahul Singh]

A page from 2015 brouchure.

@Prashant12


Amount of work that has gone into Tejas since 2015 AI is well illustrated when compared with a page(second) from Tejas' brochure from 2015 AI. Still, it is MK-1 only.

First time I am seeing a mention of standoff weapons which could be a long-range glide bomb or even an A2S missile.

With 5 stations becoming capable of Drop Tank carriage, two things will definitely follow. First Tejas will be made capable of Buddy Refuelling and second, a Gripen F equivalent of Tejas may very well in the pipeline.

With 2x WVRAAM + 2x BVRAAM + 2x LGB + 1x DT + 1x EL/OP + 1x SPJ, a Swing role configuration is well illustrated in this graphics of MK-1A.

 

[mattster]

I don't understand why the Indian Gov keeping insisting on local Indian partners for aircraft manufacturing.
Let the foreign fighter companies setup their manufacturing plants locally and own them 100%. The only stipulation is that a certain percentage of the aircraft is built, manufactured and sourced locally and that Indians are hired to be involved in all phases of manufacturing & design.

This way these companies can hire their own Indian employees and train them according to their own methods, culture, etc and build up a local talent and knowledge base. The foreign companies would own it 100% are therefore 100% liable for not meeting requirements. This will still create jobs and a knowledge base of aerospace suppliers and these foreign companies do not have to fight daily with their Indian partner like HAL on how things are done.

Ultimately you want a aerospace industrial ecosystem which supports both military & civilian aircraft manufacturing - so let Boeing or Dassault or Lockheed or whoever do their own thing in India without being tied to an Indian partner unless they want an Indian partner. Its no different from Toyota or Honda building auto plants in the heart of the US and completely building and designing whole platforms here in the US with American workers. They still, make a major contribution to the local economy and the knowledge base for the automotive industry.

 

[Rahul Singh]

I don't understand why the Indian Gov keeping insisting on local Indian partners for aircraft manufacturing.
Let the foreign fighter companies setup their manufacturing plants locally and own them 100%. The only stipulation is that a certain percentage of the aircraft is built, manufactured and sourced locally and that Indians are hired to be involved in all phases of manufacturing & design.

This way these companies can hire their own Indian employees and train them according to their own methods, culture, etc and build up a local talent and knowledge base. The foreign companies would own it 100% are therefore 100% liable for not meeting requirements. This will still create jobs and a knowledge base of aerospace suppliers and these foreign companies do not have to fight daily with their Indian partner like HAL on how things are done.

Ultimately you want a aerospace industrial ecosystem which supports both military & civilian aircraft manufacturing - so let Boeing or Dassault or Lockheed or whoever do their own thing in India without being tied to an Indian partner unless they want an Indian partner. Its no different from Toyota or Honda building auto plants in the heart of the US and completely building and designing whole platforms here in the US with American workers. They still, make a major contribution to the local economy and the knowledge base for the automotive industry.

I will just say unlike automobile combat aircraft manufacturing is of strategic value and independence in this regard is for national security.

The idea of allowing foreign manufactures in Strategic Partnership model is not to come here, stay forever and control our defence needs. But to help us create an ecosystem in return for some orders(money) and stay here as long as you are needed.

Independence in defence R&D and manufacturing is the bottom line.

 

[Kshithij]

I don't understand why the Indian Gov keeping insisting on local Indian partners for aircraft manufacturing.
Let the foreign fighter companies setup their manufacturing plants locally and own them 100%. The only stipulation is that a certain percentage of the aircraft is built, manufactured and sourced locally and that Indians are hired to be involved in all phases of manufacturing & design.

This way these companies can hire their own Indian employees and train them according to their own methods, culture, etc and build up a local talent and knowledge base. The foreign companies would own it 100% are therefore 100% liable for not meeting requirements. This will still create jobs and a knowledge base of aerospace suppliers and these foreign companies do not have to fight daily with their Indian partner like HAL on how things are done.

Ultimately you want a aerospace industrial ecosystem which supports both military & civilian aircraft manufacturing - so let Boeing or Dassault or Lockheed or whoever do their own thing in India without being tied to an Indian partner unless they want an Indian partner. Its no different from Toyota or Honda building auto plants in the heart of the US and completely building and designing whole platforms here in the US with American workers. They still, make a major contribution to the local economy and the knowledge base for the automotive industry.

Regardless of whether local partner builds or 100% FDI based company, the technology being used has to be transferred to DRDO. The private company making these things are going to be under government control and secrecy rules

 

[Prashant12]

In a first, Tejas takes part in ‘Gagan Shakti’

JAISALMER: Indian Air Force’s (IAF) war exercise ‘Gagan Shakti’ involving its entire fleet strength all across its bases in the country is progressing well. Firing range at Pokhran is booming with the day and night bombing.

Light combat aircraft Tejas, which had so far been only a technology demonstrator and was recently inducted into IAF, has now for the first time participated in enhancing its operational capability, firing close combat and beyond visual range missiles it has amply demonstrated its power to pack the enemy. Even after its induction, Tejas is undergoing constant improvements as the IAF which accepted Tejas Mark 1 into its fold looks up eagerly for improved version in form of Tejas Mark 1A and subsequently Tejas Mark II.

Official Source said, air support, network centric warfare, attack, counter attack and other parts of air force in joint coordination is giving shape to the exercise. Maximum focus is to expertise on air to air counter attack and air to ground attack. In this war game indigenous fighter jet Tejas is taking part for the first time. Although, complete squadron of Tejas is showing its talent. Apart from this, Sukhoi-30, Mig-21, Mig-27, Jagauar, Hawk and mirage and such 1100 fighter planes are taking part. Big transportation plane c-17 globe master, c-130 super Hercules and attack helicopter MI 35, mi 17V, Mi17, ALH Dhruv and ALH are also taking part.
Airforce official said “Meanwhile Tejas is taking part first time in the exercise. This exercise is also unique as LCA our indigenous fighters are being deployed at forward bases. During the first phase of the exercise, today all the deployed LCA aircraft had participated. The operational efficiency and mission worthiness of these platforms would be put to test in a real time intense exercise environment. A milestone towards ‘Make in India’, LCA will employ Close Combat and Beyond Visual Range Air to Air missiles in a simulated scenario apart from Air to Ground weapons.

The IAF has consistently encouraged the development of indigenous defence production capability and capacities. A look at the past demonstrates the IAF’s participation and promotion of indigenisation programs.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...part-in-gagan-shakti/articleshow/63767864.cms

 

[Rahul Singh]

first time participated in enhancing its operational capability, firing close combat and beyond visual range missiles it has amply demonstrated its power to pack the enemy.

Use of the third form of Verb only a typo or Tejas has already fired BVRAAM during ongoing GaganShakti?