68 year old Tibetan senior beaten up for "independence" protest

[s002wjh]

Also, no one has bothered responding to my argument regarding the de jure acceptability of such a beating. The man broke the law and was punished for it. He deserved what he got.

its call police brutality, happen everywhere, but occur more in china compare to US. however its not right for police to beat up someone for protesting, if he broke the law handcuff him. in the US even if the guy broke the law, if police beat him up, he can sue the police and get huge amount $$$ for it.

 

[no smoking]

Omar Obdullah and the Kashmiris in the State Govt are from Mars?

J&K Police is staffed by who?

Elected by the People of their area?

Or 'elected' by a hand picked Regional People's Congress nominated body?

And why is that happening?

Because of love for the Han?

Please tell me WHY they are killed by INDIAN security force or INDIAN troop!

PressTV - Indian troops kill one protester in Kashmir
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/19/world/asia/protesters-killed-in-kashmir.html?_r=0

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Please tell me WHY they are killed by INDIAN security force or INDIAN troop!

PressTV - Indian troops kill one protester in Kashmir
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/19/world/asia/protesters-killed-in-kashmir.html?_r=0

No details in the article to answer that question.

 

[Ray]

Please tell me WHY they are killed by INDIAN security force or INDIAN troop!

PressTV - Indian troops kill one protester in Kashmir
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/19/world/asia/protesters-killed-in-kashmir.html?_r=0

The news conveniently 'forgot' to mention that the terrorists (and they could be hiding amongst the protesters as is the practice) had attacked a Paramilitary camp!

In India, what do you think should be there? Pakistani security or Chinese security force?

In which world do you live?

 

[no smoking]

The news conveniently 'forgot' to mention that the terrorists (and they could be hiding amongst the protesters as is the practice) had attacked a Paramilitary camp!

In India, what do you think should be there? Pakistani security or Chinese security force?

In which world do you live?

Oh, really? Maybe you can conveniently show us the evidence that these protesters are terrorits;
Oh maybe you can conveniently tell us why your own govt officials agree they are unarmed;
Oh, at least you can conveiently show us that these victims are related to terrorism.

 

[t_co]

Oh, really? Maybe you can conveniently show us the evidence that these protesters are terrorits;
Oh maybe you can conveniently tell us why your own govt officials agree they are unarmed;
Oh, at least you can conveiently show us that these victims are related to terrorism.

Or read this article to see what Indian security forces often do.

Tehelka - India's Independent Weekly News Magazine

Murder In Plain Sight

In Manipur, death comes easy. In this damning sequence of photos, a local photographer captures the death of a young man, killed in a false encounter by the police in broad daylight, 500 metres from the state assembly.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Or read this article to see what Indian security forces often do.

Tehelka - India's Independent Weekly News Magazine

Why is the sub-title of the the Tehelka link called "fake encounter"?

Who faked what?

 

[t_co]

Why is the sub-title of the the Tehelka link called "fake encounter"?

Who faked what?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounter_killings_by_police

A fake encounter or a "staged encounter" happens when the police or armed forces kill the suspects in custody or when the suspects are unarmed, and the police claim that they had to shoot in self-defence. In such cases, the police may plant weapons on or near the dead body to provide a justification for killing the individual. To explain the discrepancy between records that show that the individual was in police custody at the time of his "encounter", the police may say that the suspect had escaped. Such killings are not authorized by a court or by the law.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounter_killings_by_police

The Tehelka piece is entitled "Murder in Plain Sight" but the event occurred out of sight.

Anyway, your distraction away from the subject of the thread has been successful.

 

[Ray]

Oh, really? Maybe you can conveniently show us the evidence that these protesters are terrorits;
Oh maybe you can conveniently tell us why your own govt officials agree they are unarmed;
Oh, at least you can conveiently show us that these victims are related to terrorism.

Militants target CRPF camp in Shopian, 4 killed

Four persons, including two civilians, were killed when militants attacked a Central Reserve Police Force camp in Shopian district of Jammu and Kashmir today.....

Two suspected militants and as many civilians were killed in the incident, IGP Kashmir A G Mir said.

He said the identity of the suspected militants is being ascertained. Some weapons have been recovered from the scene.....

Protests erupted in Shopian town and adjoining areas soon after the incident as the residents questioned the version of the security forces.

Militants target CRPF camp in Shopian, 4 killed - Rediff.com India News



Militants target CRPF camp in Shopian, 4 killed - Rediff.com India News

 

[Ray]

Or read this article to see what Indian security forces often do.

Tehelka - India's Independent Weekly News Magazine

Do you take Epoch Times seriously in China?

Likewise, Tehelka is not taken seriously!

 

[t_co]

The Tehelka piece is entitled "Murder in Plain Sight" but the event occurred out of sight.

Anyway, your distraction away from the subject of the thread has been successful.

Your argument just got owned, buddy. Quit quibbling.

 

[Ray]

@t_co,

Is Epoch Times a popular news source in China?

The Epoch Times claims it is an independent voice in print and on the web. We report news responsibly and truthfully.

Is it widely read in China?

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Your argument just got owned, buddy. Quit quibbling.

And what debate technique do you call that? I've seen that before here, where you just declare yourself the winner.

The fact is, you are the master of the smokescreen.

 

[Ray]

And what debate technique do you call that? I've seen that before here, where you just declare yourself the winner.

The fact is, you are the master of the smokescreen.

And master of obfuscation, tangential tripe and so on.

And India bashing with sly innuendos and innocent, yet loaded queries!

He is cleverer by half than his compatriots!

 

[amoy]

A Brief Commentary on Tibet | nsnbc international

The Western media impose on our imagination an image of some fabled theocracy where a reincarnated god rules over a peaceful people spinning prayer wheels. The facts are different.

The region has been under China's governance for many centuries, but was largely self-managed up to the 1950s when Mao went in to clean it up. Before that, Tibet was a slave colony, what the Western press euphemistically refers to as a 'feudal system'. It was no such thing.

Virtually all the population was owned by the Dalai and other lamas and worked their entire lives without pay. The highest monks often owned 35,000 to 40,000 slaves.

The prettiest girls and boys were confiscated to the monasteries for sex. Life was brutal and harsh, corrupt and punctuated by civil wars – the last in 1950. Life expectancy was barely 30.

Education was only for the monks because educated peasants are dangerous and expensive. Industry was forbidden because wealth of the population brought independence from religion.

Torture was rampant. For anyone who cares to look, the internet is full of photos of the torture rooms at the Potala Palace and all the instruments used for gouging eyes and cutting leg tendons. You can easily find it. It's all there. The Dalai Lama was responsible for managing all of this.

In her book, Tibetan Interviews, Anna Louise Strong describes torture implements she saw when visiting Tibet in 1959:


A young Tibetan whose eyes were gouged out with stone instruments that were used for this kind of punishment.

There were handcuffs of many sizes, including small ones for children; there were instruments for cutting off noses and ears, and other instruments for breaking off the hands.

There were instruments for gouging out eyes, including a special stone cap with two holes in it that was pressed down over the head so that the eyes bulged out through the hole, in which position they were gouged out and hot oil poured into the sockets.

The Dalai Lama was responsible for all this. The US pressure to give him a Nobel Peace Prize was an obscenity. It would be have been more appropriate to give such a "Prize" to the American Commander of Abu Graib or Guantanamo Bay.

China has spent countless billions trying to bring Tibet out of the stone age. Education is now almost universal, the $4 billion Qinghai-Tibet railway brings in billions in tourist dollars and finally provides a way to move goods in and out. Tibet's economic rate of growth and standard of living are higher now than in much of the rest of Western China.

Tibet is not an issue within China, except for the external interference. Since the government built the new railway with the pressurized trains, tourism to Tibet has soared. The Western view of Tibet is probably obscure at best; few have ever had much accurate information on it.


Torture Museum in Lhasa: This is a photo of the torture museum in Lhasa. It maintains an exhibit of instruments that were used to punish Tibetans during the Dalai Lamas' rule. At the forefront is an instrument for crushing fingers. Also shown are various whips, and tools for gouging out eyes.

Many news articles make reference to the Dalai Lama as being a spiritual leader, but he was never so much that as the former head of a very repressive government.

The muslim religion and government were intertwined so as to be inseparable, but really the religion was just a way to control the population – and if that didn't work, there were more forcible ways.

The US and the CIA had been involved in Tibet for many years, financing dissent as they have done in so many other countries.

It was the Lama being on their payroll and the failure of the CIA-financed separatist activities that finally led to his leaving. It's really no different than another country openly fostering the separation of Quebec in Canada. The Canadian government wouldn't be very pleased about that, and the Chinese government isn't overly happy with Stephen Harper and George Bush, Obama and Hillary Clinton giving impetus to Tibet separation.

On YouTube, and possibly in other places, there is an enlightening National Geographic documentary that reveals the "Mutual Understanding" that was established between the Dalai Lama in Tibet and Nazi Germany, during Ernst Shafer's expeditions to Tibet before and during the Second War.

Shafer, an SS Officer, acted as a go-between for the "Eastern and Western Swastikas". With imagery of the medieval conditions, including the fear-mongering monk police, endured by many ordinary Tibetans, this documentary opens a window to the Tibet that the Dalai Lama and his CIA cronies would like to keep hidden from the world.

So much abt what lamas have done to Tibet. Paradise lost for lamas and irredeemable!

 

[W.G.Ewald]

A Brief Commentary on Tibet | nsnbc international


So much abt what lamas have done to Tibet. Paradise lost for lamas and irredeemable!

Your source is not a news organization, it is a pro-totalitarian blog.

Pro-Dictatorship Propaganda from "alternative" nsnbc | American Everyman

It's a remarkable bit of propaganda from a so-called "alternative" news source, nsnbc.

You should be ashamed to post vile propaganda like that, and moderators would be doing us a favor by removing it and warning you.

When you and other Chinese post such false reports as often as you do, how can we not suspect that your efforts are supported by your government?

 

[W.G.Ewald]

A Brief Commentary on Tibet | nsnbc international


So much abt what lamas have done to Tibet. Paradise lost for lamas and irredeemable!

Here is another article from your source.

The Vaccine Hoax is Over. Documents from UK reveal 30 Yeas of Cover-up | nsnbc international

Clearly it is run by a conspiracy theorist of the most deranged mind.

It would be a good idea for the moderators to recognize such absurd sources and ban their use.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

A Brief Commentary on Tibet | nsnbc international


So much abt what lamas have done to Tibet. Paradise lost for lamas and irredeemable!

ncnbc is the creation of Christof Lehman. Here he clearly is among the conspiracy theorists:

Amazon.com: Dr. Christof Lehmann's review of Extreme Prejudice: The Terrifying Story of...

You do not help the cause of China by citing him for anything.

 

[amoy]

Your source is not a news organization, it is a pro-totalitarian blog.

Pro-Dictatorship Propaganda from "alternative" nsnbc | American Everyman





You should be ashamed to post vile propaganda like that, and moderators would be doing us a favor by removing it and warning you.

When you and other Chinese post such false reports as often as you do, how can we not suspect that your efforts are supported by your government?

who gives u the credit to judge what source is "pro-totalitarian" or "false"?

I shall be ashamed?? ah ha don't make me vomit! It's u who shall be ashamed by trying to discredit the source while having nothing to refute.

Feel free to suspect I support the govmt or whatever I owe u nothing and am free to choose my stance. Does it make u any more credible if u 're pro McCain or anti Oh Bama?

Stop sprouting bullshit!