1st NATO attack on country that didn't attack them!

[noob101]

Most of us on DFI are not very well acquainted with the Kosovo conflict especially how all the ethnic groups function.. Will someone explain the history of the region leading up to the kosovo conflict

 

[Damian]

So, what can I say? we are fooled with promises that we will join EU.

Belive me, You did not want to join EU.

And me as Pole, citizen of NATO member can say one thing, NATO intervention on Balkans was mistake. NATO should observe situation but not take any offensive actions.

Not to mention that not only Serbian rouge units, but also the other side had civilians blood on their hands, NATO also because of false belive that air strikes can be precise... that is a myth, unfortunetly still popular, especially among foolish politisians.

So I completely agree with maomao .

 

[djuksoni]

NATO also because of false belive that air strikes can be precise... that is a myth, unfortunetly still popular, especially among foolish politisians.

You do not have to be an extra smart guy to see what NATO want.
Selection of targets:
- 6 bridges destroyed, 8 damaged *understandable
- 5 railroad connections + 1 tunnel *understandable
- 3 roads *understandable
- 5 airports *understandable
- Couple dozens of Warehouses (oil, petrol,etc) *understandable , Oil refineries Novi Sad, Pancevo *understandable
BUT
- 18 factories for peoples consumption only, like pharmaceutical factory "Zdravlje" and "Galenika", like Tobacco factory "DIN" ,no sense, cca 500000 workers lose their jobs, over 1000000 people left with any income.
- 13 Hospitals - no sense, Gynecology Obstetric CLINIC is one of them
- over 150 school facilities - no sense
- refugee camp in Pristina, Post office, TV stations ...

They manage in 78 days to destroy only 18 tanks, none of them T-84 (212 pieces), T-72 (1 piece), and 17 T-34 and T-55.
They wanted to scare common people, to test weapons like missile for attack electricity facilities, to make space for american companies afterwards, like US Steel (trepca - the biggest coal mine in Balkans) etc.

that is what they wanted, and I'm afraid got it.

* understandable - meant from military view

 

[Ray]

"Injustice anywhere is threat to justice everywhere...
Whatever affects one directly,
affects all indirectly."

MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAHyxCyZEjc


There are plenty of videos on Kosovo(Serbia) but this one is short enough and present situation today rather than entering in analyzing period of conflict.

If you have any questions feel free to ask

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Could you give the details as seen by your people.

Are you a Serb, Croat, Kosovar or a Muslim?

What actually happened out there?

Why or why not Russia did not intervene?

How effective were the Mujahideens?

 

[Tshering22]

Kosovo war was nothing but brute bullying of a nation that was simply attacked and dissected because it was not in the US camp. Nothing else. The "purge of so and so groups and this and that ethnicities" is just a farce that NATO played to use this. In Africa, daily these sorts of things are happening. Funny we don't see NATO operating there day and night to serve justice.

Kosovo is very much a part of Serbia and was illegally separated simply by brute force and bullying. Still Serbs put up a brave fight.

15 nations against one small country is nothing short of cheap bullying.

While NATO succeeded in separating Kosovo, it simply earned a new political enemy. And this is on top of the fact as if Islamists were not enough a problem.

 

[Tshering22]

Could you give the details as seen by your people.Are you a Serb, Croat, Kosovar or a Muslim?What actually happened out there?Why or why not Russia did not intervene?How effective were the Mujahideens?

Bhai, isn't it obvious he's a Serbian? The most affected country in that war was Serbia.

 

[Ray]

Every part of Yugoslavia was affected.

Each part has their story to tell.

Let us hear each and then come to conclusion!

Indeed, Serbia took the knock.

The whole of Eastern Europe was the rush to Berlin of WWII.

Grab maximum so that they are on your side.

The West pushed the borders of their influence right into Russia door. That was their aim.

The moralising is an after thought!

 

[Damian]

I only want to say something.

It is not fault of NATO as organisation, or US and European countries, but it is fault and complete fail of politicians that were rulling then and unfortunetly still are popular.

This operation from my, and not only my point of view, was huge waste of fuel, ammunition, spare parts, it was just waste of NATO resources.

So all of us should actually blame these left wing "liberals" or, rulling in reality left wing politicians in right wing parties (yeah, some of them have completely nothing to do with right wing ideals).

And hey, the same ideology circles are rulling today, and are doing the same thing, Libya is great example... who is so completely stupid to help replace a dicator, a bad men yes but predictible men, someone we know and we know what he is capable, in to regime of people we do not know. It is complete idiocy, not to mention that resources waste and how many people will be killed... unnececary deaths.

 

[Ray]

Damian,

Could you tell us how Poland changed course after the Pope's visit?

It is indeed a great story that a dock worker could change the course of Poland's history.

And I am sure he has not foreign backing or funds, and it is only his charisma that galvanised the Poles.

Well that is what one learns from the western media!

How did he do it?

A fantastic action indeed!

 

[Ray]

The rapid collapse of the Soviet Bloc has always fascinated me, but I could never understand how it collapsed so fast.

 

[Damian]

@Ray

Damian,

Could you tell us how Poland changed course after the Pope's visit?

It is indeed a great story that a dock worker could change the course of Poland's history.

And I am sure he has not foreign backing or funds, and it is only his charisma that galvanised the Poles.

Well that is what one learns from the western media!

How did he do it?

A fantastic action indeed!

Well, it is a bit complicated, I born in 1990 so I really don't seen this and You know, it is currently a bit complicated in my country.

But this was in fact desire of freedom in whole nation, we Poles really do not like any forms of socialism, besides some minority still beliving in this and voting for post socialists like SLD or new left wing parties that don't have big support, they are complete unsignificant minority. However also bigger parties that are calling themself right wing are not right wing in reality but more centre-right or centre-left.

Besides this, socialists have problems, economic situation was... terrible, imagine that You go to a shop, and there is standing queue of people waiting to buy food, yeah so You get inside and voila, no food, or very little of it. As far as I know and what my parents told me, this is how it looked like. But of course not everything back then was bad, but the overall goverment policy, security service (Służba Bezpieczeństwa) actions, economic problems etc. were reasons why nation wanted changes.

Also nation have back then respect for army, there are even some theories that WP (Wojsko Polskie) would start fight against Soviet forces if Moscow would decide to make intervention. Of course intervnetion was rather unlikely.

The rapid collapse of the Soviet Bloc has always fascinated me, but I could never understand how it collapsed so fast.

Economy, socialism is just unable to be effective, not only in economic sense, but also how people see it. You think that anybody cared about ideology? If someone have opportunity he just stole for example materials to build houses, and these was done not only by poorer people, but also by for example communist party members in smaller cities.

You think why EU and also US have economic problems, because we have a hybrid of socialism and some bastard kid of capitlism called free market economy, not real capitalism. Fortunetly more and more people start to understand this.

 

[Ray]

Damian,

Thanks.

Poland has always been a land of landlords.

What interests me is how did one man galvanise the Nation to rebel against Soviet tanks!

 

[Damian]

What interests me is how did one man galvanise the Nation to rebel against Soviet tanks!

Strong anti soviet sentiment from past.

 

[asianobserve]

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[Ray]

So it was the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church that brought down Eastern Europe?

Did the US not influence the break up?

There was this Domino effect that took place after Poland threw off Communism.

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Asianobserve,

You have deleted the post to which this post was meant?

 

[asianobserve]

So it was the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church that brought down Eastern Europe?

Did the US not influence the break up?

There was this Domino effect that took place after Poland threw off Communism.

The whole country brought down Polish communism. The Pope provided the inspiration and international political cover for the anti-communist movement.

 

[asianobserve]

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Asianobserve,

You have deleted the post to which this post was meant?

I changed my mind re the post out of courtesy to Damian, a real Polish guy. Although it appears now that I was a little late since apparently you were able to read it. :- )