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Old Interview with Gen VK Singh Sir ..
Note INSAS discussion from : 59sec - 3:00mins
Note INSAS discussion from : 59sec - 3:00mins
"Ghaatak was originally of 5.56mm calibre. We scaled it up to 7.62 mm x 39 mm calibre. The large calibre makes it an ideal weapon for close-quarter combat and counter-terrorist operations. On August 10, BSF and CRPF teams will arrive at the factory to try out the Ghaatak," said C Kamal Kumar, joint general manager, RFI.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...le-for-Bengal-police/articleshow/53565435.cms
That's Trichy's model.Ishapore factory develops Indian variant of AK-47 -
KOLKATA: Rifle Factory, Ishapore, one of the oldest ordnance factories in the country, has successfully designed an assault rifle on the lines of the AK-47.
Sources in the Ordnance Factory Board said the prototype of this weapon had successfully cleared field trials by the Army, the Indian Air Force and the Sashastra Seema Bal.
The Ishapore factory will soon start production of 50,000 units of this rifle in the first phase.
For over a decade now, the Ordnance Factory Board has been attempting to develop an indigenous assault rifle on the lines of the AK-47. Initially, there was some embarrassment after an ordnance factory displayed an indigenous replica of the AK-47 at a defence expo in Delhi. This didn't go unnoticed and Mikhail Kalashnikov, the inventor of the world's most sold and used assault rifle that goes by his name, threatened to file a copyright violation suit against the Indian ordnance factory.
"Since then, our designers have been attempting to develop an assault rifle, using the AK-47 as a model but without replicating any of its mechanism. Three ordnance factories tried to develop their own variants. These were Rifle Factory of Ishapore, the Small Arms Factory of Kanpur and the Ordnance Factory of Tiruchirapalli. The Ishapore factory has a long history of developing and making rifles. During the World Wars, this factory produced .303 bolt-action rifles for the Allied forces. After the 1962 Sino-India conflict, the factory developed and built the 7.62mm self-loading semi-automatic rifle. This rifle was called the Ishapore Rifle and it went on to become the mainstay for the Indian security forces for several decades. In the 90's, the factory started manufacturing the 5.56mm Insas rifles that are still the primary personal weapon of the Indian infantryman," an official said.
The three factories at Ishapore, Kanpur and Tiruchirapalli built prototypes that underwent tests for the first time earlier this year. Minor defects were detected in all three variants. While the one developed by the Ishapore factory was declared fit in all other aspects, it failed to operate successfully in mud. An assault rifle has to be effective in all conditions, even when fired from under slush.
"This defect was rectified subsequently and when the final round of tests was conducted, the Ishapore variant was declared the best. This is an improved version of any assault rifle and the designers borrowed several facets from the 5.56mm Insas, which was also developed at Ishapore, while making this rifle. With the Insas going out of production, facilities at the Ishapore factory were lying idle. The new order will sustain the factory for the times to come," the official added.
http://m.economictimes.com/industry...ian-variant-of-ak-47/articleshow/44688141.cms
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Ishapore factory develops Indian variant of AK-47 -
KOLKATA: Rifle Factory, Ishapore, one of the oldest ordnance factories in the country, has successfully designed an assault rifle on the lines of the AK-47.
Sources in the Ordnance Factory Board said the prototype of this weapon had successfully cleared field trials by the Army, the Indian Air Force and the Sashastra Seema Bal.
The Ishapore factory will soon start production of 50,000 units of this rifle in the first phase.
For over a decade now, the Ordnance Factory Board has been attempting to develop an indigenous assault rifle on the lines of the AK-47. Initially, there was some embarrassment after an ordnance factory displayed an indigenous replica of the AK-47 at a defence expo in Delhi. This didn't go unnoticed and Mikhail Kalashnikov, the inventor of the world's most sold and used assault rifle that goes by his name, threatened to file a copyright violation suit against the Indian ordnance factory.
"Since then, our designers have been attempting to develop an assault rifle, using the AK-47 as a model but without replicating any of its mechanism. Three ordnance factories tried to develop their own variants. These were Rifle Factory of Ishapore, the Small Arms Factory of Kanpur and the Ordnance Factory of Tiruchirapalli. The Ishapore factory has a long history of developing and making rifles. During the World Wars, this factory produced .303 bolt-action rifles for the Allied forces. After the 1962 Sino-India conflict, the factory developed and built the 7.62mm self-loading semi-automatic rifle. This rifle was called the Ishapore Rifle and it went on to become the mainstay for the Indian security forces for several decades. In the 90's, the factory started manufacturing the 5.56mm Insas rifles that are still the primary personal weapon of the Indian infantryman," an official said.
The three factories at Ishapore, Kanpur and Tiruchirapalli built prototypes that underwent tests for the first time earlier this year. Minor defects were detected in all three variants. While the one developed by the Ishapore factory was declared fit in all other aspects, it failed to operate successfully in mud. An assault rifle has to be effective in all conditions, even when fired from under slush.
"This defect was rectified subsequently and when the final round of tests was conducted, the Ishapore variant was declared the best. This is an improved version of any assault rifle and the designers borrowed several facets from the 5.56mm Insas, which was also developed at Ishapore, while making this rifle. With the Insas going out of production, facilities at the Ishapore factory were lying idle. The new order will sustain the factory for the times to come," the official added.
http://m.economictimes.com/industry...ian-variant-of-ak-47/articleshow/44688141.cms
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guys which one is going to use by indian army......??????That's Trichy's model.
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I think the tirchy's model is in use already with some SWAT teams .guys which one is going to use by indian army......??????
Another ill-informed ill-researched magazine article.That's Trichy's model.
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Another ill-informed ill-researched magazine article.
If this is "Ghatak," then OFB site would say so.
Link: http://ofb.gov.in/products/data/weapons/wsc/21.htm
This rifle is a clone of the AKM, and has been in production for more than a decade. It is called "Assault Rifle 7.62 mm."
A modern, reliable assault rifle is the very basic and primary weapon of an infantry soldier posted either on the border or deployed for counter militancy missions in the hinterland. As per the Army’s experience, the 5.56mm rifle is considered better for conventional war since it generally injures an enemy soldier, which ties down at least two of his colleagues to carry him as well as hits general morale in the opposing force. The 7.62mm rifle is preferred for counter-insurgency since the aim is to kill a terrorist at the first instance before he can unleash mayhem.
To fulfil the requirement, OFB took an initiative for 7.62mm assault rifle and it succeeded in it. Three ordnance factories tried to develop their own variants. Of the three prototypes, the one developed by Rifle Factory Ishapore (RFI) cleared all preliminary tests.
Rifle Factory Ishapore has a long history of developing and making rifles. During the World Wars, this factory produced .303 bolt-action rifles for the Allied forces. After the 1962 Sino-India conflict, the factory developed and built the 7.62mm self-loading semi-automatic rifle, also known as the Ishapore Rifle. This became the mainstay for the Indian security forces for several decades. In the 90's, the factory started manufacturing the 5.56mm INSAS rifles that are still the primary personal weapon of the Indian infantryman.
Indigenously developed Ghatak assault rifle has all the features of state-of- the-art assault rifle. The weapon is ideal for counter-insurgency using 7.62 X 39 mm ammunition. It is robust enough to withstand rough usage. It has all the features and more advanced in every aspect compared to AK-47. It has high accuracy and reliability. It is designed to replace the existing aging AK-47 assault rifles used by the Indian armed forces. It’s a milestone in OFB efforts towards self-reliance in small arms production in India.
Ghatak Assault rifle is a gas operated weapon with rotating bolt locking system. It fires the 7.62×39mm cartridge with a muzzle velocity of 670 m/s. Without magazine, the rifle weighs 3.08 kg and length is 890mm. It can hold 30 rounds in its polycarbonate magazine which can be fired in a Single shot or in automatic mode with a firing rate of 600 rounds per minute. The effective firing range is 400m. The foresight is pillar type and the rear sight is ‘U’ notched, Graduated and Ramp type (100-800). It is provided with mechanical and applied safety. The 414mm barrel of the weapon is Chromium plated for longer life. A light weight modular handguard with detachable Picatinny rail on upside and down and slot rail sections in sides where more rails can be added as per need.
The trial of Ghatak assault rifle was conducted by the MHA constituted a board of officers, comprising of high-level officials from the BSF, CRPF, ITBP, Assam Rifles and SSB in at Rifle Factory Ishapore. The MHA team conducted an exhaustive firing trial subject to various tests like Drop test, Mud test, Water Immersion test etc. A testing of 800 rounds was fired from two rifles each without stoppage.
Koustav K is an ardent fan of IDN and a keen defense enthusiast. This piece on the GHATAK Assault Rifle was written exclusively for IDN. Views expressed are his own.According to Ministry of defence, (MOD) Press Release Ghatak assault rifle (7.62X39mm) developed by Rifle Factory Ishapore (RFI) has been cleared by Paramilitary forces. ‘Ghatak’ assault rifle has met all the technical parameters of General Staff Qualitative Requirements (GSQRs) issued by Paramilitary forces which fall under Ministry of Home affairs. Final User trails of ‘Ghatak’ assault rifle (AR) was found satisfactory by Paramilitary forces and Ministry of Home affairs likely will place first batch order of 3000 rifles with Rifle Factory Ishapore (RFI) soon. It is also has been evaluated by Indian Army for its Ghatak Commando forces which has requirements for new 7.62mm Assault rifles.
Absolutely false. If it is official OFB literature, then it is a factual error they have made.That is Ghatak. The AK7 wasnt produced, till it's recent avatar, Ghatak. That is an official OFB article.
Here's the rifle in OFB stand, poster mentions, Ghaatak naming as well.
Absolutely false. If it is official OFB literature, then it is a factual error they have made.
I have had an OFB manufactured AKM clone in my hands more than 10 years ago (probably 15). No "Ghatak" existed then.
I think the tirchy's model is in use already with some SWAT teams .
I got this photo somewhere .
Its muzzle break is different from that of tirchy's model .
Not confirmed if it is Indian made or not .
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The AK7 is an AKM clone. It was chambered in 7.62.It didnt exist then, it does now. It's a new avatar of an older model that never went into mass production. The poster is there to see in recent OFB stands. No error.
Absolutely false. If it is official OFB literature, then it is a factual error they have made.
I have had an OFB manufactured AKM clone in my hands more than 10 years ago (probably 15). No "Ghatak" existed then.
It didnt exist then, it does now. It's a new avatar of an older model that never went into mass production. The poster is there to see in recent OFB stands. No error.
==================The AK7 is an AKM clone. It was chambered in 7.62.
It existed then, and it exists now.
The only thing new is the word "Ghatak."
So Confusing
Excaliber 1A - Was supposed to get inducted as replacement of INSAS (all variants) in IA. Trials were being conducted by IA. The GSQR being 5.56*45. Now being preferred by various state police and other central forces. IA i believe now says it no longer requires it. Its new requirement is 7.62*51 AR.
Ghatak- Originally was supposed to be provided to Ghatak platoons in IA and Para. That too being procured by various state police and central forces. This is i believe is in 7.62*39.
Original tender of MCIWS scrapped which was for 5.56*45 config. In the mean time state police and central para military has started equipping itself with Ex-Caliber and Ghatak. What was a requirement of IA is now satisfying the needs of Para military and state Police !!!
Now IA wants a new tender for 7.62*51 .
I mean there is no logic behind the above saga. To describe it as pathetic is an under statement.
You are correct Kunal. The new modifications include the gas regulator and also they have a new muzzle brake. It is also true that India was sued by Kalashnikov.Quoting from other thread for same purpose >>
Me hold OFB made Black AK7 back in 2007, The Rifle was issued to 9th para and i had the opportunity to take a pic with it as it was very unique rifle in those days..
This Rifle is also Unique and not same as Bulgarian One, It had Gas regulator at front over gas tube, This was not in any other AK even today..
OFB removed it later, Since then OFB made lots of modifications on this Rifle, You cannot distinguished them unless you hold them and look for the markings..
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The same Rifle is again modified and much of it now 1B1 internally, As Kalashnikov sued OFB once for copying his design, It came back as Ghatak ..
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Its not at all confusing, Give a read to this thread and post replies with respect to RFI for 7.62x51mm there
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/marine-assault-rifle-of-7-62-x-51mm-caliber-ia-rfi.76859/