I was trying to be friendly but apparently you are not. Please stop this slander, please qoute me where I have posted any numbers for armor thickness. I only commented on militarysta numbers saying that if they where right it would indicate Leo2 thickness(equal to dejawolfs numbers ). I do know width of the tank right form the horses mouth: DRDO. OVERALL(means whole vehicle including skirts) WIDTH: 3.864 m I even know height and length and you can too DRDO: Arjun page I only showed how wrong your estimation is by making the thought experiment of not using the skirts which gives numbers less than your 3.2m and to block any attempt of the claim that the width was with out the skirts and that was why my calculation was wrong. I see that was a good decision as you have to resort to a "ad hominem" attack trying to discredit me by first making a "straw man" argument that I claim to know armor thickness which I haven't claimed. then the discredit of me saying I am ignorant of the tanks dimensions which are freely available on DRDO website, which I used to get the number for my rough estimation of the turret width.Do you know the correct width of arjun MBT with armor skirts or without armor skirts?
It is quite evident till today you don't know that,
Then why are you advancing specs for armor thickness?
hilarious, till today you don't even know the tank width, turret width and height of arjun,
But you know it's armor specs, which will be a classified info!!!!!!!!!!!
You are much better,
some guys acting up like tank experts have produced even 3d models ,
without knowing even these basic info and are now keeping a stony silence.
Just take a look with your bare eyes the men standing inside the crew hatch,
the crew hatch is just 550 mm wide,
there is less than half the crew hatch width available for standing on arjun hull besides the turret,
Infact a man cannot stand straight facing us on the side.
The total space available on both the sides barely equal a crew hatch diameter that vis 550 mm.
So if arjun's hull measures 3840 mm anyone can see the turret should measure at the most 600 mm less than that,
That is 3200 mm+.Enough?
If you have any doubts this is a photo with dimensions marked on.
I was asking for the proof of the placements of VISION BLOCKS and Your placement of two crew men one by on (in line ) in the extreme right corner of the ARJUN.
there you go, it's at the bottom there. i've created a few boxes which shows how the measures matches up.
Do you support DEJA WOLF's placement of vision block also?I was trying to be friendly but apparently you are not. Please stop this slander, please qoute me where I have posted any numbers for armor thickness. I only commented on militarysta numbers saying that if they where right it would indicate Leo2 thickness(equal to dejawolfs numbers ). I do know width of the tank right form the horses mouth: DRDO. OVERALL(means whole vehicle including skirts) WIDTH: 3.864 m I even know height and length and you can too DRDO: Arjun page I only showed how wrong your estimation is by making the thought experiment of not using the skirts which gives numbers less than your 3.2m and to block any attempt of the claim that the width was with out the skirts and that was why my calculation was wrong. I see that was a good decision as you have to resort to a "ad hominem" attack trying to discredit me by first making a "straw man" argument that I claim to know armor thickness which I haven't claimed. then the discredit of me saying I am ignorant of the tanks dimensions which are freely available on DRDO website, which I used to get the number for my rough estimation of the turret width.
And I have to say that training in drawing both perspective and isometric, could do you a lot of good. As illustrated by the photo you posted then claiming that a man could not stand besides the turret, he clearly can, look at the photo theres a guy there and clearly he could stand by the side of the turret facing forward. Hell even I who is 200mm+ taller than the average Indian male could probably stand there facing forward. this just a couple of pages after you said schematic view of crew placement in Arjun had the gunner place in the middle of the turret just behind the mantle. Seriously getting a good understanding of the two subjects is very help full.
STGN
To me it is not a blow off panel, but a service hatch for the turret ammunition rack. Simply because there is no isolation of the rack, and rack design itself will not direct fire, gasses of combusting ammunition to the panel/hatch but rather direct them in to the crew compartment just like Dejawolf pointed out in the past posts.
nice proves my assumption back in post #819
Yes, the doors are not for reloading.
and they are present on the Mk.1 in fact, they're identical. Personally i think the doors are a convenience for the production of the Arjun. You can assemble the whole rack, and then hoist it down into the turret. and afterwards just bolt the roof shut.
If you didn't noticed I wrote: To me it is not a blow off panel, but a service hatch for the turret ammunition rack.What is ther to service above the ammo rack?NOTHING.
I only reply after persistent provocation,otherwise I try to stay true to the debate.@ersakthivel, @Damian, @shuvo@y2k10, attack the content of the post, not the poster. This is a rule applicable to all.
If you cannot debate without calling names, you should put each other in your ignore list. The only thing you three are ignoring is the rules of the forum. Let me know if you don't understand.
No you werent. you were flinging shit and ridiculing my 3d models.I was asking for the proof of the placements of VISION BLOCKS and Your placement of two crew men one by on (in line ) in the extreme right corner of the ARJUN.
Not these illustrations, which have no relation to the internal crew compartment arrangement.
IN MK-2 IT IS GOING TO BE COMPARTMENTALIZED.Considering the space available they can be carried on as MLU in mk-1 as well, nothing prevents it if IA wants it.If you didn't noticed I wrote: To me it is not a blow off panel, but a service hatch for the turret ammunition rack.
OKAY.Now I appologize for any hurt caused by me,AGAIN,Where is the proof for the placement of your scribbled red box called vision blocks from BHARATH RAKSHAK line drawings?No you werent. you were flinging shit and ridiculing my 3d models.
I have seen provocation from you as well. You need to stop calling others fanboys. For the second time, use the ignore option.I only reply after persistent provocation,otherwise I try to stay true to the debate.
In the internet, writing in big letters only, whole sentences is like shouting, do you really need to be so emotional? In everything? Jeeezzz Louise...IN MK-2 IT IS GOING TO BE COMPARTMENTALIZED.
Making isolation means a lot of welding a relatively thick steel plates (IMHO 50mm is minimum), and adding sliding doors, such doors need electrohydraulic or electric motors so they can be quickly opened and closed, which means additional space is needed for such components. There would be a lot of internal components redesigning, changing their placement, it is not cheap.Considering the space available they can be carried on as MLU in mk-1 as well, nothing prevents it if IA wants it.
i'm sorry to say that you are not a very reputable source.according to me