Wagner PMC mutiny against Russia

[ladder]

So, in all, US had 6 billion USD accounting error in Ukr aids and Russia will have 12 billion USD accounting error in their budget.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Are you sure!?

> Fault lines within Wagner got more widened; pro-Prigozhin, betrayed by Prigozhin, anti-Putin
> Wagnerites would become now extremely hostile towards Akhmats, coz they're the first to openly mobilize against Wagners
> The whole upper echelon of Russian MoD including Putin will now remain in a constant paranoia on whom to trust and whom not
> The effectiveness of Russian military leadership, especially the one on top who play key role in decision making will start diminishing as more and more conspirators get sacked
> Yesterday many Russian units including RuAF pilots refused to carry strikes on Wagner, faults will start to grow among Russian military
> In less than 12 hours RuAF lost 6 helicopter and 1 fixed wing aircraft; amongst which are two very rare Electronic Warfare helicopters and an even rarer communication node plane
> Wagnerites depended on RuAF for aerial elements, everything from helicopter to very crucial CAS were solely because of RuAF. Today RuAF lost 13 of its men to Wagnerites...it'll definitely come back to haunt them
> Other numerous PMCs and especially small factions got a taste of how easy it is to bend Kremlin to their will
> The whole world got to see how Kremlin reacted to all of these...how weak Russia's internal systems have become because so long of corruption got exposed

Did I miss something?

This is a pretty internet-warrior-esque post.
Prigozin revolted, marched on Moscow with 5000 troops, tanks, IFVs, anti air.
By evening, he agreed to be exiled and put his troops under MOD, with no change in MOD leadership.
All I see is an upstart who got put down without much bloodshed.

 

[Blademaster]

This is a pretty internet-warrior-esque post.
Prigozin revolted, marched on Moscow with 5000 troops, tanks, IFVs, anti air.
By evening, he agreed to be exiled and put his troops under MOD, with no change in MOD leadership.
All I see is an upstart who got put down without much bloodshed.

I still think he needs to pay for the loss of helicopters and dead crew.

 

[Sanglamorre]

This is a pretty internet-warrior-esque post.
Prigozin revolted, marched on Moscow with 5000 troops, tanks, IFVs, anti air.
By evening, he agreed to be exiled and put his troops under MOD, with no change in MOD leadership.
All I see is an upstart who got put down without much bloodshed.

Pretty much. The fact that it got resolved with 6 helis and 13 men is ...astounding considering the alternative. Any by the evening, pretty much the whole thing was brought to heel. They even accepted pretty much what GoR wanted anyway.


It's to the point I have to ask, what the hell was the point of this? Is this like a boys last road trip hurrah sort of thing? What?

 

[Blademaster]

Pretty much. The fact that it got resolved with 6 helis and 13 men is ...astounding considering the alternative. Any by the evening, pretty much the whole thing was brought to heel. They even accepted pretty much what GoR wanted anyway.


It's to the point I have to ask, what the hell was the point of this? Is this like a boys last road trip hurrah sort of thing? What?

I think there is something mentally wrong with Pirgozhin. He did not think through this out. Once he started this thing he quickly realized that his temper got the better of him and he needed a way out because there was no upside to continuing further. He folded and tried to get out much as he could.

He is now exiled to Belarus with his fate unknown and he has lost his fortune in Russia. All of his assets have now been seized. Belarus' President would sure hell make sure that Pirgozhin would not bring his private army or do any mischief. He would be under radar for the rest of his life until his body impacts the ground from a fall off a window in some obscure hotel.

 

[Longewala]

Are you sure!?

> Fault lines within Wagner got more widened; pro-Prigozhin, betrayed by Prigozhin, anti-Putin
> Wagnerites would become now extremely hostile towards Akhmats, coz they're the first to openly mobilize against Wagners
> The whole upper echelon of Russian MoD including Putin will now remain in a constant paranoia on whom to trust and whom not
> The effectiveness of Russian military leadership, especially the one on top who play key role in decision making will start diminishing as more and more conspirators get sacked
> Yesterday many Russian units including RuAF pilots refused to carry strikes on Wagner, faults will start to grow among Russian military
> In less than 12 hours RuAF lost 6 helicopter and 1 fixed wing aircraft; amongst which are two very rare Electronic Warfare helicopters and an even rarer communication node plane
> Wagnerites depended on RuAF for aerial elements, everything from helicopter to very crucial CAS were solely because of RuAF. Today RuAF lost 13 of its men to Wagnerites...it'll definitely come back to haunt them
> Other numerous PMCs and especially small factions got a taste of how easy it is to bend Kremlin to their will
> The whole world got to see how Kremlin reacted to all of these...how weak Russia's internal systems have become because so long of corruption got exposed

Did I miss something?

Missed a couple of things
Firstly, a lot of westerners got really disappointed
But, The West also got caught. If you notice, whether western media or social media, their wishlist during the crisis was primarily for Putin overthrown, Russia broken up, etc etc.....not for the war to end or for Ukraine to get peace.

This whole farce served to finally take the mask off their faces, not that it was needed for those who were not blind.

It was always about destroying Russia, splitting it up, grabbing it's resources.... Ukraine was merely a useful, disposable tool.

 

[Lonewarrior]

internet-warrior-esque

Don't you think just two days ago Wagner marching for Moscow to revenge a fake attack on their position was how much internet-warrior-esque...and here we're today

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Don't you think just two days ago Wagner marching for Moscow to revenge a fake attack on their position was how much internet-warrior-esque...and here we're today

Simple fact is a paid mercenary tried to betray the employer (big surprise) and got put down and removed from power (big surprise).

 

[another_armchair]

Westurds were orgiastic probably deciding over who gets coal, uranium, other ferrous & non ferrous metals, gas and lastly, crude over which the banksters almost started drawing their guns.

Kya solid klpd hua re

 

[pankaj nema]

 

[Lonewarrior]

Simple fact is a paid mercenary tried to betray the employer (big surprise) and got put down and removed from power (big surprise).

This Aesop's fable feels good to listen when the country in question is from MENA, not the second biggest military power; and that is the actual "(big surprise)".

Imagine BlackWater doing the same

 

[Blademaster]

Is it for real that CIA gave $6.2 billion to Pirgozhin because I find that really hard to believe?

 

[BlackViking]

Hua kya hai, koi short me batayega?
IK ki Wagner initiated a coup and his men marched towards Moscow. News was there that some Ruski soldiers also deserted.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Hua kya hai, koi short me batayega?
IK ki Wagner initiated a coup and his men marched towards Moscow. News was there that some Ruski soldiers also deserted.

> Prigozhin initiates a coup against Kremlin
> Forces Putin to drop all charges against him
> Refuses to elaborate further
> Leaves for Belarus

 

[Lonewarrior]

Is it for real that CIA gave $6.2 billion to Pirgozhin because I find that really hard to believe?

Anyone with logical thinking will find this absurd. These are same people for whom OTH radars are mind control devices and vaccines are even worse

 

[BlackViking]

> Prigozhin initiates a coup against Kremlin
> Forces Putin to drop all charges against him
> Refuses to elaborate further
> Leaves for Belarus

What happens to Wagner mercenaries and the soldiers that deserted army?
Did Ukr take any advantage of the situation?
Belarus is Russ-friendly, why Prigozhin went there?

 

[Sanglamorre]

Anyone with logical thinking will find this absurd. These are same people for whom OTH radars are mind control devices and vaccines are even worse

You find it hard to believe that CIA would give money to Warlords to turn coat?

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Hua kya hai, koi short me batayega?
IK ki Wagner initiated a coup and his men marched towards Moscow. News was there that some Ruski soldiers also deserted.

Basically, Prigozin exiled to belarus and wagner troops transferred to MOD. Troops will go back to fighting.

Russians didnt desert, some surrendered though when caught by surprised.

 

[Blademaster]

What happens to Wagner mercenaries and the soldiers that deserted army?
Did Ukr take any advantage of the situation?
Belarus is Russ-friendly, why Prigozhin went there?

Because Belarus' President offered him sanctuary in order to put down the rebellion. Putin won't touch Prigozhin without the go head of Luhensko because Putin needs Luhensko evey more than whacking Pirgozhin.

Ukraine can try to take the advantage but won't be able to do so because FSB would make sure that the SSB of Ukraine won't be able to get in touch with Pirgozhin for if it did, Putin would take that necessary step and Luhensko would stay out of the way.

Wagner PMC is done. Nobody would trust them anymore. They would be absorbed into Russian army and then disarmed and sent off to the middle of nowhere scattered all over Siberia.

 

[Lonewarrior]

What happens to Wagner mercenaries and the soldiers that deserted army?

As of now nothing; all Wagnerites got transferred to MoD just like all other PMC and slowly things will start to get heated for all army deserters.

Did Ukr take any advantage of the situation?

There were little change on the actual frontline; Wagner was not on the frontlines anymore

Belarus is Russ-friendly, why Prigozhin went there?

No clue...maybe because he's the dumbest