Liaoning (Varyag) - Chinese Aircraft Carrier

[Kunal Biswas]

Chinese J-8 aircraft based on Soviet-made MIG-23s

Must be error, It based on MIG-21 design..

 

[shiphone]

has any landing and take off of the fix wing jets happened on "LiaoNing"? I'm afraid no...

any Deck Touch and Fly again of J15? maybe yes...

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the three BIg Pix of the JL9 Serial Trainer. we could see the evolvement of the aerodynamic design

1.the prototype

2.the model already in the PLAAF and PLANAF service the replacement of JJ7

3.JL9G shipboard aircraft version

JL9G with the landing hook

 

[Neil]

Liaoning's Captain: Senior Capt. Zhang Zheng (left), Born 1969; Political Commissioner: Senior Capt. Mei Wen, Born 1965

whats the role of political commissioner...?? can he overturn the capt order...??

 

[p2prada]

Official news:

China dismisses reports of second aircraft carrier - Xinhua | English.news.cn

Chinese Defense Ministry spokesman Yang Yujun speaks at a regular news briefing in Beijing, capital of China, Sept. 27, 2012. Yang Yujun on Thursday dismissed foreign media reports that said China is building a secondaircraft carrier in Shanghai and that it will be launched late this year. (Xinhua/Wang Jingguo)

BEIJING, Sept. 27 (Xinhua) -- Defense Ministry spokesman Yang Yujun on Thursday dismissed foreign media reports that said China is building a second aircraft carrier in Shanghai and that it will be launched late this year.

"Such reports are inaccurate," Yang said at a regular news briefing.

Yang said China will plan the development of aircraft carriers in an all-round way, taking its national economic and social development and the needs of national defense and military construction into account.

The first carrier, beginning its service in the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy, is a milestone in our military history and a major achievement of our navy building, Yang said.

"But this is only the first step of our aircraft carrier development. We still have a long way to go," he said.

When asked to confirm reports that the Chinese navy will create an aircraft carrier formation in the future and build an aircraft carrier base in the eastern Chinese city of Qingdao, Yang said "the formation is generally made up of the aircraft carrier itself, escort vessels, submarines and aircraft. China will study the issue in accordance with the development and real needs of the aircraft carrier."

China's first aircraft carrier, delivered and commissioned to the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy on Tuesday, will be used to conduct scientific experiments and military training, Yang said.

As for the aircraft carrier's impact on China's surrounding areas, Yang stressed that the country adheres to the path of peaceful development, independent foreign policy and pursues a defensive national policy. He added that the development of the aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, is to protect national security.

Responding to doubts about the self-innovation in the development of the aircraft carrier, Yang said Chinese military's weaponry building has always adhered to the principle of independent innovation, relying on the country's own capacity for research and development.

The main system of Liaoning is the result of independent building and modification. The carrier borne aircraft is also developed by ourselves based on domestically built planes, for which we have independent intellectual property rights and is pushing forward with relevant procedures as scheduled, he said.

China has taken into consideration the need of national security and economic conditions when developing weaponry equipment. The development of the first aircraft carrier is also included in the defense budget, Yang said.

"We have strict regulations about the naming and hull numbers of naval vessels, as they are authorized by the Central Military Commission," Yang said.

If true, this would mean the earlier report was also true, where they said there won't be a carrier competition with India.

 

[shiphone]

The second type of fix wing jet would land on 'Liaoning' is J15...so far at least 7 prototype(01, 03-08 jet) have been spotted...
and according to the custom of aviation industry , there must another one(usually 02 jet) was made for Static trials

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Prototype 551,553,556

Prototype 555

the prototype with WS10H engine ...554 and 557

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the third type fix wing trainer is L15 which might be named as JL10 trainer by PLAAF

this is the sixth prototype :06 Jet ...of course the necessary modification for shipboard requirement would be done..

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two more CG (BY 彩虹熊)of JL9G trainer which might be helpful for the understanding the modification for shipboard requirement based on the JL9 project

 

[p2prada]

If there isn't a second carrier then aren't there too many fighters for carrier needs. J-15, J-31, JL-9... all on one carrier?

 

[ice berg]

If there isn't a second carrier then aren't there too many fighters for carrier needs. J-15, J-31, JL-9... all on one carrier?

It will be a second carrier before 2020. J-15 is a stop gap measure. J-31 may be the intended medium 5-gen fighter for the second carrier. JL-9 is just a trainer.

 

[nefory]

If there isn't a second carrier then aren't there too many fighters for carrier needs. J-15, J-31, JL-9... all on one carrier?

The exact wording the spokesman used was "The report of that a second AC is being built in Shanghai is INACCURATE".
In case someone who is inexperienced in comprehending Chinese diplomatic vocabulary, inaccurate means neither denial nor confirmation. Other similar Chinese diplomatic nonsense is "something is not entirely verified".

 

[amoy]

How China's aircraft carrier sizes up

 

[J20!]

Official news:

China dismisses reports of second aircraft carrier - Xinhua | English.news.cn



If true, this would mean the earlier report was also true, where they said there won't be a carrier competition with India.

If there isn't a second carrier then aren't there too many fighters for carrier needs. J-15, J-31, JL-9... all on one carrier?

Like Nefroy said, he didn't say there is no second carrier. What would the EMALS facilities be for? What would the Y7 carrier AWACS be for? What would the J31 be for? There are just too many carrier related projects running as of right now for the Liaoning to support alone. She couldn't support fixed wing AWACS platforms like the Y7 platform...

Like the official said: "But this is only the first step of our aircraft carrier development. We still have a long way to go,"

 

[p2prada]

I don't disagree. My point is the 2nd carrier is still some time away from seeing operational induction. That's why I said that comment on no carrier competition with India.

A second carrier is expected and the spokesman dismissed reports about it being as early as a launch next year, so it will come much later.

The number of prototypes being made is very similar to what France, India and UK are working on too. Carrier AEWC, fighters (one or two variants), trainers etc. What we really need is the numbers being made. This is a better way of knowing how many carriers will be planned eventually, like how we know UK is planning for two while France may have one more apart from CdG. India will have 2 with plans for 1 more.

If we know PLAN has ordered 24-30 J-15s(12-16 each on the two carriers), or some 45-60 J-31s (like IN's plans for 45 Mig-29Ks on 2 carriers), well you get the idea.

For all we know China will have the first home made 65kT carrier two or 3 years before we do. Like that 2020 figure iceberg posted. A similar timeline, perhaps. Maybe France will be first.

I guess we will know when it happens... but it will happen.

 

[libindi]

Re: China's aircraft carrier: in name only

I don't know if the Chinese aircraft carrier is up to the mark, but the Chinese feel that it is the best thing that could happen on Earth!

No we didnt，its just a training platform，our spokesman of denfense Department said it loud and clear serval months ago，but i guess some china expert never pay much attention to what chinese said isnt it？

 

[charlyondfi]

After such a while, I wonder if any fool still regard PLA(N), or CCP, will keep yelling around for its intention. It won't. A brand new "whisper but carry a big stick."

Like Y20, Neofry indicated, if PLAN had planned for stop-gap measure like J15, and even there are still many catch-up to do -- from carrier operation experience, to combat software/system -- I hardly believe we have seen end of China's carrier program.

-- in another thread, there real idiots are saying that faltering economy will fail China's military build-up: just like PLA is some no-brainer doing all these on short-term economy projection. Well, guess this part we can only let time tells it.

 

[nefory]

After such a while, I wonder if any fool still regard PLA(N), or CCP, will keep yelling around for its intention. It won't. A brand new "whisper but carry a big stick."

Like Y20, Neofry indicated, if PLAN had planned for stop-gap measure like J15, and even there are still many catch-up to do -- from carrier operation experience, to combat software/system -- I hardly believe we have seen end of China's carrier program.

-- in another thread, there real idiots are saying that faltering economy will fail China's military build-up: just like PLA is some no-brainer doing all these on short-term economy projection. Well, guess this part we can only let time tells it.

Yup, since there aren't much for serious discussion in terms of Chinese military, especially to those who are entirely foreign to Chinese military who are often misinformed by so called "reputable publication". Therefore, wait and see is the best idea. However, people do get emotional from time to time, which is absolutely not necessary.

 

[Ray]

 

[GromHellscream]

I don't disagree. My point is the 2nd carrier is still some time away from seeing operational induction. That's why I said that comment on no carrier competition with India.

A second carrier is expected and the spokesman dismissed reports about it being as early as a launch next year, so it will come much later.

The number of prototypes being made is very similar to what France, India and UK are working on too. Carrier AEWC, fighters (one or two variants), trainers etc. What we really need is the numbers being made. This is a better way of knowing how many carriers will be planned eventually, like how we know UK is planning for two while France may have one more apart from CdG. India will have 2 with plans for 1 more.

If we know PLAN has ordered 24-30 J-15s(12-16 each on the two carriers), or some 45-60 J-31s (like IN's plans for 45 Mig-29Ks on 2 carriers), well you get the idea.

For all we know China will have the first home made 65kT carrier two or 3 years before we do. Like that 2020 figure iceberg posted. A similar timeline, perhaps. Maybe France will be first.

I guess we will know when it happens... but it will happen.

Not 65kt, they (two ships) will be 80kt when full loaded : "conventional energy + no jump + steam catapult".

J31 (more strictly called Project310) has no chance to enter navy, let alone being a carrier fighter.

A new type of 40kt LHD will be leaked out in one or two years, while the domestic carriers will cost much longer time to wait.

 

[mhk99]

The exact wording the spokesman used was "The report of that a second AC is being built in Shanghai is INACCURATE".
In case someone who is inexperienced in comprehending Chinese diplomatic vocabulary, inaccurate means neither denial nor confirmation. Other similar Chinese diplomatic nonsense is "something is not entirely verified".

"The report of that a second AC is being built in Shanghai is INACCURATE". The operational word is "inaccurate" . The inaccurate word may be Shanghai. It may be built somewhere else.

 

[ice berg]

Re: INS Vikramaditya (Adm Gorshkov) aircraft carrier

@venkat

Russian and Indian have free media unlike in China, They will show the good part always and you will see the good part always, Technically all these Ships have 8 boiler config, Regarding Vikramaditya the Boilers are different as per Navy demand..

Russia has a free media? Best joke I have heard in a while. Ignorance is a bliss.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: INS Vikramaditya (Adm Gorshkov) aircraft carrier

You have doubts ?

Just turn last few pages and see yourself..

Russia has a free media? Best joke I have heard in a while. Ignorance is a bliss.

 

[ice berg]

Re: INS Vikramaditya (Adm Gorshkov) aircraft carrier

Russia's Press Freedom Ranking Upgraded – Report | Russia | RIA Novosti

You have doubts ?

Just turn last few pages and see yourself..

Doubt? I have no doubt what so ever about the fact that they dont have press freedom.