China objects to oil hunt, India says back off

[trojan]

Keep off PoK, India warns China

Keep off PoK, India warns China - The Times of India

GOI has got BALLS all of a sudden

 

[Tomcat]

i am rather suprised by this growth of Guts by the GoI I Guess that the Curzonian Mantra of Indian stratagic Intrest streching from Somailia in the North west to singapore in the North east has been adopted in the MEA the past couple of years have seen a shift albit Pussy footed to this mantra

 

[sandeepdg]

China is isolate in Mideast .LOOOL.
By who? How?LOOOOL


BTW, personally I want india can be more aggressive , don't like viets and philipinese .LOL

OT, but what's with you Chinese posters and "LOL", huh ? Is that the first English word they teach you in China ?

 

[sandeepdg]

really? I think India's plot must be fail.：哨子：：哨子：
India collaborate with Vietnam,P.L.A must enter Kashmir and recover Southern Tibet

Well, then, prepare to get your ass kicked for this foolish action !

 

[debasree]

really? I think India's plot must be fail.：哨子：：哨子：
India collaborate with Vietnam,P.L.A must enter Kashmir and recover Southern Tibet

u have over hyped the capabillity of pla ,son they are good for tian an man type of massacare ,but warfare is a different thing ,

 

[vanwilder]

let's make it clear that there 's no any evidence indicating that china helped pak with developing nuke weapons.why don't you think they are able to make nuke out by their own?pakistan is an independent country,there's no dispute,no debate.but south china sea is not a country but a vast water which maybe be rich of natural resource.like the north pole,even dispute is there,but exclusive in pole-round countries,which is no business of non-arctic countries.so,is that clear?keep far away from south china sea,fake democratic india.

China started by collaborating with the pakis right. You have your interests there, we have ours in SCS. Its not like we gave nukes to Vietnam, like china gave to pakis, and here you guys are jumping outta your chair cause we help vietnam extract their resources.

 

[Tomcat]

wow it seems that the GoI's rebuke to papa ho has hit some raw nerves in the Forbidden city and its Netizens alike as the Macdonalds ads say tara tatat Im lovin it

 

[Adux]

let's make it clear that there 's no any evidence indicating that china helped pak with developing nuke weapons.why don't you think they are able to make nuke out by their own?

Historically, China is alleged to have played a major role in the establishment of Pakistan's nuclear weapons development infrastructure, especially, when increasingly stringent export controls in the western countries made it difficult for Pakistan to acquire nuclear materials and technology from elsewhere. Additionally, Pakistani officials have supposedly been present to observe at least one Chinese nuclear test. In a recent revelation by a high-ranking former U.S. official, it was disclosed that China had allegedly transferred nuclear technology to Pakistan and conducting Proxy Test for it in 1980.[61] According to a 2001 Department of Defense report, China has supplied Pakistan with nuclear materials and has provided critical technical assistance in the construction of Pakistan's nuclear weapons development facilities, in violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, of which China is a signatory.[62][63]

Pakistan and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

China, Pakistan, and the Bomb:
The Declassified File on U.S. Policy, 1977-1997

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 114

March 5, 2004

William Burr, editor

Washington D.C., 5 March 2004 - The recent turnaround in Libya's nuclear policies and the many disclosures of Pakistan's role as a super-proliferator of nuclear weapons technology produced another extraordinary revelation: the discovery by U.S. and British intelligence of Chinese language material among the nuclear weapons design documents that Pakistan had supplied the Libyans. (Note 1) The exact subject matter of the documents remains secret, but the discovery was no surprise to students of nuclear proliferation or to China and Pakistan watchers. China's nuclear relationship with Pakistan was a matter of great concern to U.S. government officials over the course of four presidential administrations. Since the early 1980s, at least, allegations abounded that the Chinese government provided the Pakistanis with nuclear weapons technology, including design information. (Note 2) This assistance may have continued through the mid-1990s, or even later, though much remains conjectural.

Until the revelations from the Libyan files, no evidence had surfaced that conclusively linked China with Pakistan's nuclear weapons program. But the revelation on the Chinese documents is only one piece of the puzzle; questions remain about the nature of the China-Pakistan nuclear relationship--its origins and its extent--that may not be settled for many years. How and why this nuclear relationship emerged can only be a matter of speculation. Certainly, for many years, Beijing's official position was that it would not help other countries acquire nuclear weapons. Nevertheless, during the years after China's first nuclear test in October 1964, its nuclear weapons policy was complex and ambivalent. On the one hand, even as it developed its small nuclear arsenal, Beijing supported a complete ban of nuclear weapons and their ultimate elimination. On the other hand, Beijing railed against the superpower's nuclear monopoly, declaring that non-nuclear states had the right to develop nuclear weapons on their own, just as it had. Moreover, after the signing of the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty (1968), China treated it as another unequal treaty, allowing the great powers to keep their arsenals while prohibiting sovereign nations from taking self-defense measures. (Note 3)

China's professed opposition to sharing nuclear weapons technology with non-nuclear states may have led to compromise of principle when security and economic interests were at stake. Well before the question of nuclear sharing emerged, China and Pakistan, each having an adversarial relationship with India, had developed a close understanding involving significant military cooperation. When the U.S. cut off sales of weapons to both India and Pakistan because of their 1965 border conflict, China became Pakistan's main supplier of weapons. The close relationship with China became one of the pillars of Pakistani foreign policy. When India held its first nuclear test in 1974, and Pakistan made decisions to acquire its own capability to build nuclear weapons, it may have seemed a matter of course for elements in the Chinese military, which had a powerful voice in Beijing's nuclear establishment, eventually to decide to lend Pakistan a hand. (Note 4)

The interests that propelled Beijing to assist Pakistan's nuclear program became competitive, during the 1980s and 1990s, with other sets of interests pushing for a stronger Chinese role in global nuclear nonproliferation efforts. While reports of Beijing's transfer of nuclear weapons designs and sensitive technologies circulated, the two governments signed a nuclear cooperation agreement and conducted negotiations over the sale of Chinese nuclear reactors. At the same time, Beijing became a full member of the nuclear nonproliferation regime, joining the International Atomic Energy Authority in 1984 and signing the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty in 1992 and the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty in 1995. Moreover, China began to work closely with Washington and other powers in trying to curb the North Korean nuclear program and in restricting trade in sensitive nuclear technology. As China's market economy developed greater complexity, central authorities could not always control events, which is what may happened when a Chinese firm sold ring magnets used for the production of highly enriched uranium to Pakistan in 1995. (Note 5)

Exactly what the United States government knew (or believed it knew) about Chinese nuclear sharing with Pakistan and when it knew it, remains highly secret. So far no intelligence reports on the issues have been declassified, although during the Clinton years Washington Times correspondent Bill Gertz published highly damaging communications intercepts on Chinese-Pakistan nuclear transactions in 1996. (Note 6) In light of the sensitivities involved--U.S. relations with two highly important partners, Pakistan and China--the relevant details may not be declassified for many years. Moreover, the presidential records that would shed light on how consecutive administrations tried to reconcile the larger goal of engagement with Beijing with specific concerns about nuclear proliferation issues remain secret. Within the limits imposed by the secrecy system, this briefing book sheds light on how U.S. government officials looked at the China-Pakistan nuclear relationship, their persistent efforts to discourage it, the repeated denials by Chinese diplomats, and the evolution of China's nuclear nonproliferation policy. Among the disclosures are:

U.S. unease over secret China-Pakistan security and military cooperation during the late 1960s
Chinese assistance to Pakistani nuclear-weapons related projects in 1977
the refusal by Chinese diplomats in 1982 to give an "unequivocal answer" to queries about nuclear weapons aid to Pakistan
the conclusion reached by State Department analysts in 1983 that China was assisting with the production of fissile materials and possibly with the design of weapons
the George H. W. Bush administration's concern in 1989 over "reports of Chinese assistance to Pakistan's nuclear weapons program"
denials by Chinese diplomats that same year of reports of Chinese nuclear aid to Pakistan
U.S. pressure on China in 1992 to impose full-scope safeguards on the sale of a nuclear reactor to Pakistan because of proliferation concerns
more disquiet (late 1992) over China's "continuing activities with Pakistan's nuclear weapons programs"
the Clinton administration's 1997 certification of improvements in Beijing's nuclear proliferation policies
The revelations about the China-Pakistan nuclear connection coincided with Beijing's recent application to join the 30 member Nuclear Suppliers Group that tries to regulate international trade in nuclear materials and technologies in order to check weapons proliferation. (Note 7) It is possible that tensions between nonproliferation, foreign policy, and commercial goals will continue to complicate Beijing's policies as it has that of other nuclear states. Nevertheless, Beijing's decision to join the Nuclear Suppliers Group suggests that it is moving much closer toward full participation in the global nonproliferation regime and away from the narrowly nationalistic approach that characterized its nuclear relationship with Pakistan. To the extent that Chinese government agencies actually transmitted nuclear weapons design information to Pakistan, one can only hope that the spin-off from Pakistan never leaked into private hands.

China, Pakistan, and the Bomb
U.S.: Chinese helped Pakistan nuke program

pakistan is an independent country,there's no dispute,no debate.but south china sea is not a country but a vast water which maybe be rich of natural resource.like the north pole,even dispute is there,but exclusive in pole-round countries,which is no business of non-arctic countries.so,is that clear?keep far away from south china sea,fake democratic india.

As long as it is not your internationally recongnized EEZ, you have absloutely no right. India and Vietnam will move forward with it. Indian will be arming Vietnam with enough Anti-Ship missiles in the narrow sea

 

[amitkriit]

India, Vietnam to deepen military ties

What is happening? Is this a gimmick to save MMS's face or is this something real?

 

[amitkriit]

Beijing Demands India and Vietnam Stop Oil Joint Venture in South China Sea

China, seemingly forgetting its policy of non-interference in other states' affairs, has begun a public dialogue with India objecting to an agreement signed between India's state-owned Oil and Natural Gas Corporation (ONGC) Videsh Limited and Vietnam's Petro Vietnam for oil and gas exploration in the South China Sea.

 

[mahesh]

fake democratic india.

Ofcourse we have some issues finding hard to settle, but there is no question of our democracy being taken away from us, not even a bit.
In our country we can replace a government before another sunrise, We can question anyone. can your country people rise voices against your government ? can you replace one? before that have you experienced what democracy is ? have you felt it ?
when was the last democratic movement happened in china in 70s , in 80s?.... epic shame!!

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Beijing says keep off S China Sea, Delhi unmoved - Hindustan Times

Beijing says keep off S China Sea, Delhi unmoved

 

[The Messiah]

We should double our efforts now.

 

[Dovah]

OT, but what's with you Chinese posters and "LOL", huh ? Is that the first English word they teach you in China ?

Not all Chinese posters just one particularly nice guy.

 

[vanwilder]

wow,PLA will be intimidated to death by your words.i am just wondering what kind of anti-ship missile can india independently produce?why not send your aircraft carriers to the china sea face to face?

Pakistan and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia






China, Pakistan, and the Bomb
U.S.: Chinese helped Pakistan nuke program



As long as it is not your internationally recongnized EEZ, you have absloutely no right. India and Vietnam will move forward with it. Indian will be arming Vietnam with enough Anti-Ship missiles in the narrow sea

 

[vanwilder]

oh,the premise of china's policy of non-interference is chinese interestes would not be sabotaged.obviously,there's a dispute on the south china sea between china and vietnam.the joint exploration of india and vietnam has unassailably violated chinese stake. there's really no season for chinese goverment to keep standing by.

Beijing Demands India and Vietnam Stop Oil Joint Venture in South China Sea

 

[vanwilder]

you guys just can cite something questionable as yanks saying,plus which lacks substantial ground to get bolstered.speaking of the violation of international nonproliferation rules,i think the creator should bestow to the empire of united states,which is suspected to transfer its nuclear technology to its mid-east intimate-Israel.

Pakistan and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia






China, Pakistan, and the Bomb
U.S.: Chinese helped Pakistan nuke program



As long as it is not your internationally recongnized EEZ, you have absloutely no right. India and Vietnam will move forward with it. Indian will be arming Vietnam with enough Anti-Ship missiles in the narrow sea

 

[pmaitra]

Beijing says keep off S China Sea, Delhi unmoved - Hindustan Times

Beijing says keep off S China Sea, Delhi unmoved

Great post. Quoting map from there:

Exploration region closer to Vietnam than PRC.

PRC, go away. Quit poking your nose where it does not belong.

 

[amitkriit]

India's oil move in Vietnam serious provocation: Chinese daily

The move constituted "serious political provocation" and should be "resolutely stopped"

"As for ONGC (which has been given contract by Vietnam), China should resolutely stop it from pursuing this course of action. Reasoning many used first, but if India is persistent in this, China should try every means possible to stop this cooperation from happening,"

 

[agentperry]

if they can come into indian ocean to mine ores then india can also go to south china sea for mining.
start doing business fairly and learn to reap what you sow.