China objects to oil hunt, India says back off

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OT, but what's with you Chinese posters and "LOL", huh ? Is that the first English word they teach you in China ? :)
I have asked this LOL (nicegu2011) guy to brush up his English language skills. Perhaps his head is full of "Birds Nest". He is on PDF under false flag with forum name of niceguy under vietnamese flag and debates the issue for and against Vietnam.
 

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Chinese warning fails to deter India and Vietnam

Ignoring Chinese warnings on Friday, India and Vietnam decided to focus on oil and gas exploration in the potentially oil-rich South China Sea while deepening their bilateral relations.
After Beijing's objections to the ongoing exploration in two Vietnamese blocks in the South China Sea by India's ONGC Videsh Ltd (OVL), state-run Chinese news agency Xinhua said the activities could "poison" China-India relations.


Chinese warning fails to deter India and Vietnam - Hindustan Times


Yeah why don't they first practice what they preach? How about pulling out of PoK before asking India to pull out of South China Sea?
I want to see this become an great example of "What goes around, comes around". Fingers crossed :p

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Virendra
IMO This is why govt is playing - u step out of POK we step out of South china sea


From http://news.sina.com.cn GOOGLE TRANSLATED

Indian media said, this is the first time India and Vietnam on the South China Sea issues involved in the dispute

  Morning yesterday, according to Indian media said, is a visit to Vietnam, Indian Foreign Minister Krishna plans on the same day to discuss bilateral cooperation with Vietnam to develop two oil and gas fields located in the South China Sea issue.

  For the news, the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu at a regular press conference 15 stressed, we hope relevant countries to respect China's position, positions and interests, not unilaterally take any complicate or escalate the action.

  For the Chinese side's position, "Hindustan Times" Morning Road yesterday, said Indian Foreign Ministry said the disdain for China's opposition, that "there is no legal basis for China's opposition."

  India said the response has been made

  15, broke the news media in India, the Indian state-owned oil and gas Corporation (ONGC) plans to enter the South China Sea oil and gas resources development, saying the plan "has been licensed in Vietnam." "Hindustan Times" reported that India's state-owned oil and gas company plans two in the South China Sea were known as the "127" and the "128 number" of oil and gas fields for development.

  The report quoted the Indian foreign ministry official as saying, "Although the Chinese side to this concern, but we will say Banshi according to Vietnam, and has conveyed this position to the Chinese side." The official said, India to China on this issue has to do a appropriate response, 16 Indian Foreign Minister Krishna's visit to Vietnam, they also discussed the issue with Vietnam.

  Britain was out of fear

  Vietnam has been developed in cooperation with British Petroleum, "127" and the "128," oil and gas fields, but later disputed ownership of oil and gas fields because of fear of potential trouble, the British oil company chose to withdraw in 2006, followed by India's state-owned oil and gas company involved in .

  India and Vietnam for joint development of oil and gas fields located in the South China Sea, the Indian media, which is India's first involvement in China and Vietnam on the South China Sea disputes.

  Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu at a regular press conference 15, said, We have always opposed any other country in the waters under the jurisdiction of Chinese oil and gas exploration and development activities in the hope that the foreign companies not involved in the South China Sea dispute.

  Related News

  India and Vietnam recently a house on fire

  India and Vietnam appear from July's "confrontation between India ship" after the house on fire.

  Earlier this month, the British "Financial Times" quoted "sources" as saying that in late July, the more return visit to the Indian Navy amphibious assault ship, "Ira W." was the vessel was in the South China Sea and China confrontation. The report also as "stand-off" event to join the conflict in Vietnam sea background.

  Subsequently, the Indian foreign ministry denied the existence of "confrontation" and said that India supports the freedom of navigation in international waters right.

  In this context, India and Vietnam are actively looking for common interests - how to deal with China to strengthen bilateral defense and security ties.

  August 8, 9, the second strategic dialogue between India and the more the fifth political consultation meeting in Hanoi.

  Recently, the Indian defense forces to help Vietnam train.

  In November, the two countries will participate in the East Asia Summit.

  Next year, the two countries will celebrate the 40th anniversary of establishment of diplomatic relations.

  Expert interpretation

  India resolutely stop

  ■ CASS expert Gu Dujiang Southeast Asia

  Vietnam and India announced the joint development of the South China Sea oil and gas fields of the move, the South China Sea issue between China and Vietnam will be international. This approach is a "dangerous precedent", will make China has territorial disputes with other countries to follow suit.

  For India "Tanghun Shui" approach, the more common exploitation of oil and India is the "east" of a move, India is a country with great power ambitions, but this practice despite the strong Sino-Indian relations, China's attitude should be firmly stop, to avoid compounding the problem. (Integrated Oriental Morning Post, Legal Evening News)
http://news.sina.com.cn/w/2011-09-17/045023169678.shtml
 

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really? I think India's plot must be fail.:哨子::哨子:
India collaborate with Vietnam,P.L.A must enter Kashmir and recover Southern Tibet
You are a clown who does not know the geography of the region. If they were to make you Army Chief of PLA than give you order to claim so called south Tibet (It is called Arunachal Pradesh for your information) it will be the most joyful day of my life. Why the hell you go invade Kashmir in order to capture Arunachal Pradesh. I hope PLA recruits more people like you which will it easier for us to free TIBET from barbarian empire.
 

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Ignoring Chinese warnings on Friday, India and Vietnam decided to focus on oil and gas exploration in the potentially oil-rich South China Sea while deepening their bilateral relations.
After Beijing's objections to the ongoing exploration in two Vietnamese blocks in the South China Sea by India's ONGC Videsh Ltd (OVL), state-run Chinese news agency Xinhua said the activities could "poison" China-India relations.


Chinese warning fails to deter India and Vietnam - Hindustan Times




IMO This is why govt is playing - u step out of POK we step out of South china sea


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Good job India and Viet !
Keep going and more aggressive. Thank you!
 

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Good job India and Viet !
Keep going and more aggressive. Thank you!
There is no need to be sarcastic on the issue. We would prefer if you can make case on behalf of China than do so which should be backed with historical facts. If you do not have any sensible in put than maintain silence and learn from others.
 

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China in mind, salute & port plea to Vietnam

India's foreign minister S.M. Krishna is currently leading a high-level delegation to Hanoi but it is a quieter visit by India's defence secretary Shashi Kant Sharma that could drive the strategic partnership that New Delhi is seeking to build with countries around China.

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next year war will take place betwenn india and china
 

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All India has to do is speed up work on its eastern fortifications and mountain divisions. Then start playing the spoil sport in POK by taking the pleasure of seeing the man made things going down the drain and claim it on non state actors...lol
 

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Only thing good about china today is there females. :thumb:
Anything good about India I can think of? None.
dont either of you get too excited about china's women - the miss universe , miss world and any of those competitions certainly dont agree with either of you - never elected a china woman as winner for the many decades theyve been in existence
 

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dont either of you get too excited about china's women - the miss universe , miss world and any of those competitions certainly dont agree with either of you - never elected a china woman as winner for the many decades theyve been in existence
those competition are rubbish...those are not beautiful females but rather anorexic ones. My ex-gf is better than current miss universe imo.
 

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There is no need to be sarcastic on the issue. We would prefer if you can make case on behalf of China than do so which should be backed with historical facts. If you do not have any sensible in put than maintain silence and learn from others.
He cant, because mostly chicoms and chinese cant handle pressure when it is directly and deliberately applied to them. India was very happy chugging along, letting the chinese take over as the asia's leader, but chinese want indians to be some kind of a lacky to them, idiots....we have not even let our greatest friend Soviet Union to do that, then what can these little idiots do. When we were one of the poorest and less powerful than today, we told the US 7th fleet to go suck an egg. India was sleeping, Chinese poked us, now we have aircraft carriers, choke points, offensive mountain divisions etc etc raised against them, idiotic chinese gave us to the Americans in a platter, also they made sure the sleeping and unpatriotic indian polity and bureaucracy woke up in full force against them. Like I wanted them too, Thank You China. Let the games begin.
 

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SOUTH CHINA SEA :INDIA SHOULD AVOID RUSHING IN WHERE EVEN US EXERCISES CAUTION


1. China has reacted ---moderately through a spokesperson of its Foreign Office and somewhat virulently through the Party-controlled "Global Times"--- to reports that India has been considering an offer from Vietnam to award oil and gas exploration bids over two blocks in the South China Sea to India's ONGC Videsh Ltd (OVL). These blocks presently come under the de facto control of Vietnam, which also claims de jure sovereignty over the blocks under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, 1982.


2. Vietnamese claims of de jure sovereignty have been rejected by China, but accepted by India as would be evident from the following reported comment of a spokesman of the Ministry of External Affairs of the Government of India : "The Chinese had concerns but we are going by what the Vietnamese authorities have told us and have conveyed this to the Chinese."

3. The Chinese spokesperson, without referring to India by name, has stated as follows: " China enjoys indisputable sovereignty over the South China Sea and the island. China's stand is based on historical facts and international law. China's sovereign rights and positions are formed in the course of history and this position has been held by Chinese Government for long.On the basis of this China is ready to engage in peaceful negotiations and friendly consultations to peacefully solve the disputes over territorial sovereignty and maritime rights so as to positively contribute to peace and tranquillity in the South China Sea area. We hope that the relevant countries respect China's position and refrain from taking unilateral action to complicate and expand the issue. We hope they will respect and support countries in the region to solve the bilateral disputes through bilateral channels. As for oil and gas exploration activities, our consistent position is that we are opposed to any country engaging in oil and gas exploration and development activities in waters under China's jurisdiction.We hope the foreign countries do not get involved in South China Sea dispute."

4. The "Global Times" (September 16 ), which does not necessarily represent the views of the Chinese Government and reflects more the views of conservative sections in the Communist Party of China, has been less measured in its comments and has talked of the need to confront the Indian move more vigorously.

5. As I had pointed out in my article cited above, there are two issues involved in the so-called South China Sea dispute.The first is its status as international and not Chinese waters and the second is the conflicting claims of sovereignty made by China, Vietnam, the Philippines and other countries in the region over the island territories found in the Sea.

6. The US has so far been following a policy of rejecting Chinese claims of sovereignty over the entire Sea while not getting involved in the various disputes over the claims of sovereignty over the island territories. Indian policy closely converged with that of the US. It rejected the Chinese projection of the Sea as a whole as Chinese waters. It took steps to develop its strategic relations with Vietnam. It asserted the rights of the ships of the Indian Navy to transit the South China Sea during their visits to Vietnamese ports without the need to inform China beforehand or ask for Chinese permission.

7. At the same time, India rightly observed a nuanced silence on the dispute over the island territories. Now, for the first time, India is seeking to take a position on the island territories under the de facto control of Vietnam by accepting Vietnamese claims of de jure sovereignty over them.

8. This is a position with inherent seeds of an undesirable military confrontation between India and China in the South China Sea itself and subsequently or simultaneously across the land borders between the two countries. India is still in the process of strengthening its military-related infrastructure near the Chinese border. In my assessment, it will take India from five to 10 years to bring its infrastructure on par with that of China in Tibet.

9.The reach and strength of the Indian Navy in the South China Sea is far behind that of the US. The US is in a position to engage China in a naval confrontation in the South China Sea, but it realises that such a confrontation could be counter-productive. That is why it has been observing a neutral stand on the island territories.

10. The implications of the reported Indian move to accept Vietnamese claims of sovereignty and to consider favourably the Vietnamese invitation to undertake oil and gas exploration do not appear to have been carefully considered by the Government of India. China has been opposing with determination repeated Vietnamese moves to undertake explorations for natural resources around the island territories under its de facto control. It is likely to oppose any move by the Indian company to undertake exploration in the area.

11. We have seen that Vietnam has not been able to counter effectively Chinese disruptions of its exploration activities. It will not be able to provide adequate protection to the Indian company. Will we be able to keep a permanent presence of the Indian Navy in the area to protect the operations of the Indian company? Will it be able to counter Chinese attempts to disrupt the operations of the Indian company?

12. The ultimate result may be a confrontation with China in the seas adjacent to the Chinese mainland which India cannot hope to win and an over-all deterioration in Sino-Indian relations at a time when India is not yet prepared for a full-blown confrontation with China.

13. Some analysts have projected the Indian move as a tit-for-tat response to Chinese troops moving into the Gilgit-Baltistan area of Jammu and Kashmir under Pakistani occupation to assist Pakistan in the development of its infrastructure in an area over which India claims sovereignty.

14. The Gilgit-Baltistan area is legitimately ours. The Chinese have no business to be there. We have many options for countering them and for making their foray into the area prohibitively costly and bloody for them. Instead of identifying those options and undertaking them, we should not try to confront the Chinese in the South China Sea, which is not India's cup of tea. ( 17-9-11)

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INS Airavat Incident: What does it Portend?

The "Financial Times" of London reported on September 1, 2011, that an unidentified Chinese warship had demanded that an Indian naval vessel identify itself and explain its presence in the South China Sea waters off Vietnam in July. It identified the Indian naval ship as INS Airavat.

2. According to the FT report, INS Airavathad visited Nha Trang in south-central Vietnam and the northern port of Haiphong in the second half of July.

3. The FT said that the Vietnamese Foreign Ministry acknowledged that the Indian warship had visited the country from July 19-22, but claimed that it had no information about the incident.

4. Rediff.com reported as follows the same day:

"A spokesperson from the Ministry of External Affairs in New Delhi said:"The Ministry has seen news reports about an alleged confrontation between an Indian Navy ship and a Chinese vessel off the coast of Vietnam in July 2011. The Indian Naval vessel, INS Airavat paid a friendly visit to Vietnam between 19 to 28 July 2011.

"On July 22, INS Airavat sailed from the Vietnamese port of Nha Trang towards Hai Phong, where it was to make a port call. At a distance of 45 nautical miles from the Vietnamese coast in the South China Sea, it was contacted on open radio channel by a caller identifying himself as the "Chinese Navy" stating that "you are entering Chinese waters". "No ship or aircraft was visible from INS Airavat, which proceeded on her onward journey as scheduled.

"There was no confrontation involving the INS Airavat. India supports freedom of navigation in international waters, including in the South China Sea, and the right of passage in accordance with accepted principles of international law. These principles should be respected by all."

5. Rediff added further as follows: "In Beijing , the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Ma Zhaox sought to obfuscate the issue by saying that inquiries have been made with the "competent authorities" about the reported incident but so far no information has been received. Nor had China "received any representation from any other country", he said, implying that that no protest has been received from India in this regard."

6.The media reports on the incident figured in the daily press briefings of the US State Department and the Pentagon at Washington DC on September 1.Answering questions at the daily briefing, Mark Toner, the State Department spokesman, told journalists: "We are certainly aware of the media reports on an alleged encounter between Indian and Chinese naval vessels. "Our position on the South China Sea is very clear. We want a collaborative diplomatic process here."

7. Col. Dave Lapan, a spokesman of the Pentagon, said in his daily briefing in response to questions from media personnel: "I do not know anything about that particular confrontation. Generally we have said that there are many nations that operate through international waters in the South China Sea. We recognize that there are disputes amongst countries in that region and it is our desire one to recognize the right of passage to those waters, but more important that those conflicts, those confrontations be resolved peacefully so there aren't any misunderstanding or things that leads us to injuries or deaths."

8. The visit of the Indian naval ship to two ports in Vietnam and the incident of July 22 coincided with the meeting of the ASEAN Regional Forum (ARF) and the post-ASEAN ministerial meetings in Bali in Indonesia from July 16 to 28.However, there is no reason to believe that the visit of the Indian ship to two Vietnamese ports had anything to do with the Bali ARF meeting during which the continuing dispute on the question of sovereignty over the South China Sea and over the island territories in the Sea figured once again as in previous meetings on the agenda.

9. The dispute involves the Chinese claim of sovereignty not only over the island territories, but also over the South China Sea, which China claims as its territorial waters. Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan do not accept the Chinese claims on both counts. They reject the Chinese claim that the South China Sea is China's territorial waters. At the same time, they claim some of the island territories as belonging to them.

10. Thus, there is a bilateral dispute between China on the one side and these countries on the other over the ownership of the island territories and a multilateral dispute over China's claim of sovereignty over the Sea as a whole. In recent months, the dispute has led to incidents between China on the one side and Vietnam and the Philippines on the other over issues such as the exploitation of the Sea for fisheries and oil and mineral resources. While vigorously asserting its claims on both counts, China has refrained from any interference with the right of freedom of navigation and over flights in the South China Sea.

11. Concerned over the increasing assertiveness of the Chinese Navy in the area, the Philippines and Vietnam have been moving closer to the US. Their navies have been holding joint exercises with the US Navy in their respective coastal waters without unnecessarily provoking China. They have not allowed repeated Chinese protests over these exercises to come in their way.

12. The US has been following a two-pronged policy. It has taken up the stand that the bilateral disputes over the island territories are for the concerned countries to sort out peacefully in which the US has no role. At the same time, it has been vigorously asserting the right of freedom of navigation and over flights in the South China Sea.

13. The clarification issued by the spokesman of India's Ministry of External Affairs indicates that there is a convergence of views between India and the US in rejecting Chinese claims of sovereignty over the entire South China Sea.

14. Two significant points emerge from his clarification: Firstly, "India supports freedom of navigation in international waters, including in the South China Sea, and the right of passage in accordance with accepted principles of international law." Secondly, "At a distance of 45 nautical miles from the Vietnamese coast in the South China Sea, it was contacted on open radio channel."

15. What does it mean? It means that India has admitted that the Indian ship at the time it received a cautionary advice from a source purporting to be the Chinese Navy was in the South China Sea and that it had a right to be there because the South China Sea is international and not Chinese waters.

16. At the Bali ARF meeting and in its margins, the US and the Philippines vigorously articulated their concerns over the increasing Chinese assertiveness. Mrs. Hilary Clinton, the US Secretary of State, told the ARF meeting: "The United States is concerned that recent incidents in the South China Sea threaten the peace and stability on which the remarkable progress of the Asia-Pacific region has been built. These incidents endanger the safety of life at sea, escalate tensions, undermine freedom of navigation and pose risks to lawful unimpeded commerce and economic development."

17. She warned all the rival claimants against using force to bolster their positions. She added: "Each of the parties should comply with their commitments to respect freedom of navigation and over-flight in the South China Sea in accordance with international law, to resolve their disputes through peaceful means, without resorting to the threat or use of force."

18. Philippine Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario said that his country had "suffered at least seven aggressive intrusions" in the disputed waters since February.These included Chinese forces shooting at Filipino fishermen, deploying navy patrol boats to intimidate an oil exploration vessel and placing markers on some of the islets.

19. Del Rosario said China's actions appeared motivated by a hunger for the region's natural resources, and were heightening fears about how the country intended to treat its neighbors as its military and economic might expanded.

20. He told the Agence France Presse:. "I think there is that concern that China is becoming more powerful. We support their progress and their growth ... but at the same time it is our expectation that their strength and their growth and their influence will be exercised in a responsible way."

21. Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi assured that China would work to ensure that the tensions did not escalate into conflict. He told the journalists in Bali: "South China Sea and Asia as a whole are peaceful and stable, and this will continue through our joint efforts. China will continue to contribute to peace and stability in Asia."

22. At a meeting with the 10 members of the ASEAN in Bali, China also agreed to a set of guidelines laying down a framework for an eventual code of conduct for the sea. However the Philippines maintained the guidelines lacked teeth and did not change the fundamental problem that China claimed all of the sea, even up to the coasts of other Southeast Asian countries. "How can you discuss anything bilaterally when you sit down with them and they say that they own everything?" del Rosario asked.

23. Till now the Chinese frictions in the South China Sea have been mainly with Vietnam, the Philippines and the US. Despite India's developing strategic relations with Vietnam, the Chinese, while maintaining a close watch over India-Vietnam relations, had maintained a discreet silence and avoided any statements or actions which could impact on their bilateral relations with India.

24. Moreover, the Chinese assertiveness vis-à-vis Vietnam and the Philippines was mainly in relation to the exploitation of the fisheries and mineral resources in the sea adjoining the various island territories. They had avoided an assertive policy in relation to the freedom of navigation and over-flights which could bring the US more actively into the dispute.

25. This is the first time they have taken an assertive step against a country not from the region in order to test its reaction on the question of their claims of sovereignty over the sea as a whole. India has done well to assert that the South China Sea is international waters and that its naval ship had a right to transit the Sea. It is important for India to mobilise the support of the US and other members of the international community not from this region on this issue.

INS Airavat Incident: What does it Portend?
 

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