BSF Slaughters 7 Pak Rangers and 1 Terrorist with Sniper Fire 21/10/2016

[Nicky G]

Taking back whole PoK will not be that easy as China is sure to interfere if our forces near Gilgit and Karakoram Highway. That will escalate things pretty quickly and we cannot go in underprepared for the stalemate that is sure to follow and Bakis get a breather.

However, it's feasible to do a land grab- take back Haji Pir and push the LoC westwards, especially where it helps us gain tactical and logistical high ground.

So true, thus, we need to take a call as to whether we risk Chinese involvement if their investments are threatened or not. If we do decide to risk it, we need to act rapidly and do most damage before they can effectively retaliate. We should destroy as much of CPEC as we can in any war.

 

[Screambowl]

badi badi batein mat karo ...

The fact of the matter is these things will go on. Some soldiers from our side will get martyred and some on their side.

This is very big political nexus between India and Pak to hit the opposition parties and create a pro centre consensus in both the countries.

Need of the hour is, the thullas (IPS) deputed in intelligence consider to keep these politicians under control. They should feel worried that any time they can be target. Just like parliament hamla. Only then things will be fine.

Otherwise these useless politicians will keep playing with the lives of soldiers and citizens in India.

 

[mayfair]

^^
One flaw with your plan, the politicos have no say or traction in Baki decision making..Their response is guided and calibrated solely by the army.

They are used to getting away with lightly in the days gone by and so the bitter medicine of now is making them squirm. However, aadat se laachaar, they'll keep upping the ante in a show of ghairat, despite knowing what will happen

This is what is happening so far, they have gone so far down this road that any climbdown will be seen as a loss of ehh&dee. So Raheel is hoping that a quick yet intense escalation will not only help him regain his ghairat, but also stop us from a truly disproportionate reaction before the international community steps in. Already the rumblings have started and one can expect Bakis and their lackeys to start making noises on the need for calm and peace on the borders.

 

[Screambowl]

^^
One flaw with your plan, the politicos have no say or traction in Baki decision making..Their response is guided and calibrated solely by the army.

They are used to getting away with lightly in the days gone by and so the bitter medicine of now is making them squirm. However, aadat se laachaar, they'll keep upping the ante in a show of ghairat, despite knowing what will happen

This is what is happening so far, they have gone so far down this road that any climbdown will be seen as a loss of ehh&dee. So Raheel is hoping that a quick yet intense escalation will not only help him regain his ghairat, but also stop us from a truly disproportionate reaction before the international community steps in. Already the rumblings have started and one can expect Bakis and their lackeys to start making noises on the need for calm and peace on the borders.

Paki politicians are businessmen who pay to army/ISI to make them win. Hence there is a say. But they don't have any say over proxies. There fore, to keep indian politicians under check there should be back door deals.

 

[mayfair]

Paki politicians are businessmen who pay to army/ISI to make them win. Hence there is a say. But they don't have any say over proxies. There fore, to keep indian politicians under check there should be back door deals.

You've got it the other way round. ISI/TSPA pay and groom Baki politicos whom they wish to see in power- Ganja was an ISI/Zia protege groomed to counter PPP influence in Baki Punjab as Islami Jamhoori Ittehad. Im the Dim is another one, keep around to keep Ganja on his toes. MQM itself started off as a TSPA attempt to nip Bhuttos support base in urban Sindh.

It is suspected that ISI has bought off or honey trapped key Indian politicos. SuSwamy has said as much

 

[3deffect]

now porkistan wll say there is NO men down..its all LIE from India..and all Porkistan people digest it without thinking lol:biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2:

 

[Screambowl]

You've got it the other way round. ISI/TSPA pay and groom Baki politicos whom they wish to see in power- Ganja was an ISI/Zia protege groomed to counter PPP influence in Baki Punjab as Islami Jamhoori Ittehad. Im the Dim is another one, keep around to keep Ganja on his toes. MQM itself started off as a TSPA attempt to nip Bhuttos support base in urban Sindh.

It is suspected that ISI has bought off or honey trapped key Indian politicos. SuSwamy has said as much

It's the two way business

ISI uses political money and politicians use ISI money. Both are getting money from business or other countries specially US , UK and China, not to forget KSA.

Su Swamy himself is an American Lobbyist , who might have been honey trapped by CIA.

This is why I say, intelligence has to take things in hand just like CIA does in USA. Otherwise these day to day conflict at LOC with pakis, plus the necessary evil which is Kashmiri diaspora will keep us entangled and local politicians in our country will use it for election purpose.

I am only concerned about pride and living standard of Indians. Nothing else. If this is not achieved then it is useless to be even 15 Trillion economy with a nuclear warhead.

 

[mayfair]

ISI uses political money and politicians use ISI money. Both are getting money from business or other countries specially US , UK and China, not to forget KSA.

In Bakistan, political money IS TSPA/ISI money. No politico or businessman can make money without the blessings of ISI/TSPA. They have their finger in every pie. Every bit of money coming in from overseas is funnelled through TSPA/ISI.

Politicos are chindi chor types, they'll make money here and there-small tenders, bribes etc., but the cream is all with TSPA/ISI. Heck even the tenders are not passed without TSPA/ISI taking their cut, even if small.

 

[Screambowl]

In Bakistan, political money IS TSPA/ISI money.

ISI is getting money from somewhere and this somewhere are the companies floated in the name of Politicians in UAE, USA and Guatemala because no one will invest in the company if it is belonging to a general.

The cut( share of politician goes to him) and he then flourishes new business like sugar mills or restaurants in Islamabad or Port Grand in Khi, and funds ISI for personal gains. This is what Zardari did..he corrupted the ISI and Kayani.
But Nawaz is failing because he is not as lucky and clever as Zardari.

Indian agencies should carry out back door talks with proxies to avoid such things in India. Any politician having mischievous background and activity should be cornered immediately.

 

[mayfair]

ISI is getting money from somewhere and this somewhere are the companies floated in the name of Politicians in UAE, USA and Guatemala because no one will invest in the company if it is belonging to a general.

Read Military Inc. TSPA runs a large empire of industries under the aegis of Fauji foundation, they also operate the National Logistics Cell. Of course shell companies in the name of civvies etc are there, but they are just another cog in the wheel. TSPA also makes a lot of money from trade- import/export including those of Indian goods via Dubai and of Paki goods into India. Baki dekhonomy is dependent on doles/loans from abroad. All these funds be it from IMF, Saudis, CSF are routed via TSPA, who take their cut before passing on the crumbs to the civvies.

ISI gets its money from various sources, biggest of it is drug trafficking, opium grown in Afghanistan and Waziristan/FATA is used to make heroine, which is shipped around the world. Given the international heroine prices, you can imagine the amount of money they rake in. Then there is Bhaiwood financing and overseas distribution via Dawood who shares his cut with his protectors, film piracy, credit card fraud, hawala, human trafficking, prostitution, gambling, extortion, gun running, jihadi training, all these contribute to the ISI coffers.

It's laughable to claim that Zaradri corrupted ISI/Kiyani. Baki jarnail have always been corrupt. Dus percenti was allowed his shady deals because at least 50% of that 10% went to TSPA/ISI- it was their jiziya (Zardari is a shia) for allowing him to live or else he would have joined his swingin' wife Pinky in hell by now.

 

[Screambowl]

Dubai and of Paki goods into India. Baki dekhonomy is dependent on doles/loans from abroad. All these funds be it from IMF, Saudis, CSF are routed via TSPA, who take their cut before passing on the crumbs to the civvies.

No they are not routed via TSPA anymore except for bhaigiri fund and afeem fund specifically used against India. They have changed it after 9/11 and India's diplomatic offense in declaring Pak a terror state and also because CIA started electronic surveillance on the inbound and outbound movement of fund from the gulf. Which was one of the main route. hence they minimised any linkage with any fauji foundation and government department.
Other reason was, India operation to harness black money routed via hawala.

They have brought in the private players and politicians who generate fund for them. But the problem they faced was, Zardari started manipulating the senior rank officers in the army.

 

[Superdefender]

Pak killed our 6 BSF Jawans in a week. Retalliation - BSF killed 15 Pak rangers in one day. "Baap baap hota hai, beta beta hota hai" : Justified

 

[aditya10r]

Pak killed our 6 BSF Jawans in a week. Retalliation - BSF killed 15 Pak rangers in one day. "Baap baap hota hai, beta beta hota hai" : Justified

Plus 6 posts destroyed........................................

 

[Nicky G]

You've got it the other way round. ISI/TSPA pay and groom Baki politicos whom they wish to see in power- Ganja was an ISI/Zia protege groomed to counter PPP influence in Baki Punjab as Islami Jamhoori Ittehad. Im the Dim is another one, keep around to keep Ganja on his toes. MQM itself started off as a TSPA attempt to nip Bhuttos support base in urban Sindh.

It is suspected that ISI has bought off or honey trapped key Indian politicos. SuSwamy has said as much

Along with blackmailed using knowledge of black money deposits.

It's the two way business

ISI uses political money and politicians use ISI money. Both are getting money from business or other countries specially US , UK and China, not to forget KSA.

Su Swamy himself is an American Lobbyist , who might have been honey trapped by CIA.

This is why I say, intelligence has to take things in hand just like CIA does in USA. Otherwise these day to day conflict at LOC with pakis, plus the necessary evil which is Kashmiri diaspora will keep us entangled and local politicians in our country will use it for election purpose.

I am only concerned about pride and living standard of Indians. Nothing else. If this is not achieved then it is useless to be even 15 Trillion economy with a nuclear warhead.

Seems like a wild allegation. Which statement or action of his do you base this on?

 

[Darth Malgus]

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[mayfair]

Pak killed our 6 BSF Jawans in a week. Retalliation - BSF killed 15 Pak rangers in one day. "Baap baap hota hai, beta beta hota hai" : Justified

Source? Where did you see this figure of 15?

 

[airtel]

Source? Where did you see this figure of 15?

We have killed around 15 Pak rangers: Arun Kumar, Additional DG, BSF





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[Darth Malgus]

Source? Where did you see this figure of 15?

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[Akshay_Fenix]

2 Pak rangers killed, 4 injured.
1 Pak regular killed, 2 injured.
2 Pak civilians killed, 30 injured.
This happened between yesterday afternoon and today morning.

http://www.khabarindiatv.com/india/national-india-retaliates-bsf-kills-pakistan-rangers-493738

This is from just 1 sector.

 

[dude00720]

Taking back whole PoK will not be that easy as China is sure to interfere if our forces near Gilgit and Karakoram Highway. That will escalate things pretty quickly and we cannot go in underprepared for the stalemate that is sure to follow and Bakis get a breather.

However, it's feasible to do a land grab- take back Haji Pir and push the LoC westwards, especially where it helps us gain tactical and logistical high ground.

Please Note -: 1962 was the last war that China won. They have lost everything since, then.

1967 - Nathu La and Chola incidents - 340 dead - chinese
1987 Indo-China skirmish - Nothing happened, but, Indians were considered to have won that.

1979 - chinese, vietnam war . - china claims to win this. But, independent experts say, Vietnam defeated them heavily.

And since, then no wars. Fair to say, Chinese war machine is not battle hardened unlike our people who have been constantly fighting in Kashmir.