Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT)

[anoop_mig25]

i hope this works sir

hey man thanks 4 video d u have more of it post it by the way it looks like they are form NDA
thanks clap clap

 

[anoop_mig25]

If Arjun come out top of t 90S then DGMF should resign.

hi sayarekd i want to ask u a question regarding night vision of vision capability of T-90 and ARJUN Because u know moer about both of tanks
thanks in advance

 

[sayareakd]

@Anoop wait for some time i will post new night vision brousher from DRDO, it was there on Arjun tank.

 

[sayareakd]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bNpPHKM0SY&feature=player_embedded

great system, rumors have it that it was tested on Arjun tank by our israeli friends.

 

[gogbot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bNpPHKM0SY&feature=player_embedded

great system, rumors have it that it was tested on Arjun tank by our israeli friends.

Looks awsome

Hope its true dude

would make our tanks no.1 in region

 

[sayareakd]

it IA chose this system then it will make the Pakistani army anti tank units useless.

 

[flaming arrow]

Gentlemen good news has started pouring even before the trials have begun see from a comparitive trial what trial it has become Arjuns a monster,and now that finally it has come out roaring i can't wait for this mean machine to come into action,all the info which we gathered from the recent defexpo seems 2 stand 100% correct,specially pertaining to arjuns thermal imagner.

 

[ajtr]

Just a thought......Arjun of mahabharat needed shikandi as armour to kill bhisma.but indian arjun tank dont need the shikhandi to kill bhishm(t-90) tank.or should DRDO musct change the kanchan armour name to shikandi.

 

[blade]

I got a chance to have a look at Arjun and it's interior, trust me it looks like a earth mover. Controls are so clumsy. Arjun cannot fire and hit bull's eye when on move(it needs to stop completely), while T-90 and Al-khalid can.
Arjun wins on one front, it has got good armor, but are we gonna send our tanks for battle so that our enemies get a chance to do target practice and test their weapon system? I don't think so.

dear friend usually i keep myself far from any mud slinging business but by looking at your ignorant comments on MBT ARJUN i have planned to mention a few points to you. To begin with ... looks hardly matter anything in this context. As u can see a very hitech top notch looking night vision equipment of T-90 turns out to be a junk where as indian made so called sloppy and clumsy looking avionic gadgets are being imported by Russia. Strange isnt it? Secondly
the only few points on which indian army praised MBT ARJUN unequivocally was its very very accurate fire power and its ability to fire on a move. Whereas T-90 & T 80 hardly got this capability as per the general perception. So kindly follow
the normally available sources to reach any conclusion because if it was so easy to get earth breaking insider info just by browsing internet then no country would have spend so much on intelligence.

 

[anoop_mig25]

dear friend usually i keep myself far from any mud slinging business but by looking at your ignorant comments on MBT ARJUN i have planned to mention a few points to you. To begin with ... looks hardly matter anything in this context. As u can see a very hitech top notch looking night vision equipment of T-90 turns out to be a junk where as indian made so called sloppy and clumsy looking avionic gadgets are being imported by Russia. Strange isnt it? Secondly
the only few points on which indian army praised MBT ARJUN unequivocally was its very very accurate fire power and its ability to fire on a move. Whereas T-90 & T 80 hardly got this capability as per the general perception. So kindly follow
the normally available sources to reach any conclusion because if it was so easy to get earth breaking insider info just by browsing internet then no country would have spend so much on intelligence.

can u give me the link regarding ur claims of " indian made clumsy looking avionic gadgets are being imported by Russia". no offence just curious '

 

[ajtr]

Arjun vs T 90: Tank trials to kick off next month

After immense pressure from the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) the Army has decided to go ahead with comparative trials between the Arjun tank and the T 90 Main Battle Tank (MBT) next month. While it will be interesting to see how the ‘indigenous’ tank holds up to the Russian origin mainstay of the Indian Army, the unfairness of comparing two totally different tanks has rankled experts both within and outside the military establishment.
On the face of it, both DRDO and the Army say that the comparative trials are not actually a competition between the tanks but are aimed at defining and finding a role for the Arjun in India’s armoured fleet. However, the Army is feeling the heat from DRDO which is aggressively marketing the trials as a testing point that could pave the way for more orders for the Arjun from the present cap of 124 units.

This, after the Army has virtually ruled out the Arjun for further orders and instead wants DRDO to use it as a base for a new tank that would find a place in its war plans. For the Army, the last nail in the Arjun coffin came after the accelerated user trials in 2008 that resulted in a massive setback after the power pack failed four times during just 1,000 km of running.

However, after the embarrassment two years agno, DRDO came up with a new theory of comparative trials to ‘prove’ the capability of the Arjun. While the Army has been forced to schedule the tests after intense lobbying by DRDO, the huge difference in the class of the two tanks has irked experts who do not see any scope for comparison between the two weapon systems.
For one, at 58.5 tons, the Arjun is more than 10 tons heavier than the T 90. The added weight and size gives the tank several advantages over the Russian machine in terms of more armour, greater capability to carry ammunition as well as extra sensors. The plan to compare a 58.5 ton machine with a 46 ton tank has been described as ‘absurd’.

The T 90’s weight is crucial to the Army’s war plans along the long Indo-Pak border, especially in the plains of Punjab. The T 90 as well as the older T 72 were ordered because they weighed below 50 ton — the load carrying capacity of thousands of canal and river crossings all along the border.At close to 60 tons, the Army would find it impossible to deploy the Arjun in the Punjab sector as well as parts of the Jammu region. The Arjun’s weight is the biggest nemesis to further orders. The cost of upgrading all bridge heads to a capacity of 60 tons, experts point out, would be considerably more than the cost price of the entire tank fleet.

The comparative trials are also being billed as a trial between indigenous and imported, with opponents of the Arjun being labeled as ‘foreign agents’. However, a point that the Army rightfully makes is that the T 90 being produced in India right now is perhaps more ‘indigenous’ that the Arjun that has 60 percent of its parts imported. The engine, tracks, transmissions and gunners sight —- that together account for 60 percent of its cost —- are all imported.

Several officers including former Army Chief Gen VP Malik have reservations over the foreign content of the tank. “I am all for self-reliance. We have to make the Arjun more indigenous than it is today,” Malik had said after the tanks had performed miserably in accelerated trials held in Rajasthan.

While they will be ‘indigenised’ in the future, tank building technology is already flowing into the country through the transfer of technology agreement for the T 90 fleet. India also has the past experience of mass producing the T 72 tanks. This also brings out the Army’s worry about the production quality of the Arjun as it goes into mass production.

Already, the first squadron of Arjun tanks that had rolled out of the Heavy Vehicles Factory, Avadi faced massive quality issues and had to be sent back for refurbishing. However, the biggest worry that the Army has is not the technology of the Arjun but the reliability factor given its past performance in trials as well the lack of continued testing in harsh terrain and climatic conditions unique to India. The outcome of the 2008 Accelerated Usage cum Reliability Trials (AUCRT) (crucial to clear it for bulk production), where the German engine failed four times, is still fresh in the Army’s mind.

While the comparative trials may or may not give the Arjun a certificate of triumphing over the T 90, which is the pride of the Indian Army, the future of the Arjun tank in India’s war plans is still under a cloud. As senior officers of the Army say, the Arjun has been a good start but does not have any future as a main battle tank. “Tanks have a certain shelf life and now we need a new deign looking into the future. We now have a base and expertise to start on the futuristic tank,” Lt Gen KDS Shekhawat, who retired as the DG of Mechanised Forces at Army HQ in 2008, had earlier told The Indian Express.

 

[JayChennai]

Wasnt it the army which wanted the so called comparative trials

 

[sayareakd]

Wasnt it the army which wanted the so called comparative trials

No it is DRDO which wanted this trial, IA (DGMF who is last authority on armour in India) has already said that they dont want Arjun tank.

DRDO has challenge the IA (DGMF) to have comparative trial for Arjun, T 90S and T 72 tanks. After so many filps and flops and lollipop of FMBT (T95), IA gave in under pressure from MOD (GOI to accept the challenge) has finally this trial is now been held.

But spin doctors are at work. there is the reason why.

First the T 72 was kept out of trial.

Second the Trial has been held in March, not in June heat of Rajasthan and plans of punjab.

Third 14 tanks to be pitted against 14.

Fourth all the best tank crews of T 90S selected from entire Indian Army armour will be going against the Arjun tank.

Sixth IA has already said that trial is for Arjun and not for T 90S.

Finally it is trial of tank doctrine and not the tank.

IA has put its reputation on line for T 90S. Therefore it will be interesting to see how this trail goes on. (just hope that those black boxes are installed in Arjun tank so that no hanky pank can be done by any party).

May the best tank win the trial.

 

[Raj Malhotra]

If army wants to fix trials then there are many ways it can do so. Like forcing Arjun to cross a bridge which cannot take its weight. Forcing Arjun to go over obstacles during maneuvers beyond its capacity. Forcing long and sustained acceleration to lead to break downs. So the trials can be fixed unless audited by a joint committee of DRDO, Army and MoD

 

[sayareakd]

Sir, Arjun can do all the maneuvers which the T 90 can do, including going cross country, yeah the heavy weight is problem, but it has its own bridge laying system.

lets wait and watch what happens in the trials, months time is not too far.

 

[blade]

can u give me the link regarding ur claims of " indian made clumsy looking avionic gadgets are being imported by Russia". no offence just curious '

sorry these are very very easily available internet documents so kindly do a bit of google and u find it..to be specific russia is using several indian components for SU 30 export versions(to countries other than india ofcourse) & this trend is rapidly increasing with other major suppliers to india as well.

 

[blade]

Now things are not going to be that easy for IA. Even iff for the time being u consider that there is some kind of sinister mechanism within the army against ARJUN it will be too difficult for them to do any kinda sabotage as the induction has already began and army till recently was denying to place fresh order on ARJUN was not attributed to inferior quality of this tank rather army's so called changed perception toward the acquisition of a futuristic
battle tank. So if MBT ARJUN turns out to be a dud then there will be a serious stress on MOD.

The induction of MBT ARJUN in bigger number seems to be distinct possibility now as many always desired.Apart from being a shot in the arm for indigenization process it might have a serious implication for pakistan as they will be forced to order T 99 from china in order to maintain some kind of eyewash parity putting further stress on their already broken economy. But even then T 99 will just be a mere eye wash as it will have very little chance in the dessert region for which it has never been built. The major advantages that ARJUN will enjoy over its adversaries will be 1. greater mobility 2. higher accuracy in firing while rolling 3. very high degree of adaptability to dessert conditions 4. very good protection.

 

[gb009]

sorry these are very very easily available internet documents so kindly do a bit of google and u find it..to be specific russia is using several indian components for SU 30 export versions(to countries other than india ofcourse) & this trend is rapidly increasing with other major suppliers to india as well.

Not trying to be rude but if the point you have made has already been discussed in this thread then you can ask someone to "go read the thread", otherwise its the posters responsibility to provide proof/link for any claims in his/her post. Much obliged if you do so. Hope we don't start fighting over Su 30 avionics on Arjun thread

 

[gb009]

The induction of MBT ARJUN in bigger number seems to be distinct possibility now as many always desired.Apart from being a shot in the arm for indigenization process it might have a serious implication for pakistan as they will be forced to order T 99 from china in order to maintain some kind of eyewash parity putting further stress on their already broken economy. But even then T 99 will just be a mere eye wash as it will have very little chance in the dessert region for which it has never been built. The major advantages that ARJUN will enjoy over its adversaries will be 1. greater mobility 2. higher accuracy in firing while rolling 3. very high degree of adaptability to dessert conditions 4. very good protection.

I did not do much research on type 99, but from what is available on the wiki itself the type 99 does look like a good tank. Not something we can just ignore as an eyewash.

I doubt if Pakistan will get it though. Type 99 is China's main/future tank and they don't seem to export their top-of-the-line defence equipment to Pakistan. But this could be a good time to debate on how our Arjun would fare against the type 99 (i.e if we ever go against China).

 

[flaming arrow]

Gentlemen have a look at this video.this video will give you an idea about the fire control system n gun stabliser on board the chinese type t-99.