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Ok guys, I think I will lay off the attacks. Apparently Canary Trap the web site of Retd. Col. RSN Singh is a dead link now. This implies that Retd. Col. RSN Singh or whoever he works for do not want that data and allegations to remain there. This can have only two black and white implications...

The Chinese tanks are balooning in weight too (Type 99A2 is 54 tonnes). Soon Pakis would be impoverished out of the tank markets also (like aircarfts in last 20 years). The chinese have recently unveiled their own 60 cal tank gun. Russians have forever been talking about mating a 155 gun to...

It is obvious that Gen Shankar Roychaudhary is an untouchable because he has supported Arjun. Such lame supporters this Chandigarh Gang has gathered around itself. Why would they. Germans have some of the best bridging and rivercrossing equipment. They have always been a visionary in land...

Well you were a victim when you believed the AIT - that is an admission on your part. You are again a victim when realization dawned on you that AIT was bull - That is why you rant so much about mother selling whatever. You are again a victim when you find that your favourite side is actually...

@Bhadra, your problem is that you identify yourself with the DGMF office. I don't. DGMF for me is just a representative of a situation. It is obvious the successive DGMFs are not working alone. They too are under instructions. And as I have said most committed people get sorted out early on...

"tires faster" - Arjun is not Bhadra that it will tire out. "not a long distance runner" - Arjun has the same foreign engine that the foreign-brands-salivating purchase managers of IA live and die for. "bridge collapses" - Sarvatra is a 15 meter spans X 5. Arjun is already crossing 46 meter...

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, tsk tsk This itself shows how much you know about Arjun and the purchase managers you are trying to protect. Arjun prototype was I think handed over for trials in 88-89 period and while the criticism was about gun accuracy and ammo lethality, it was...

@Bhadra your fake debate about mobility vs protection to keep ignoring Arjun is not going to work on us. Arjun is more mobile and better mobile too than anything out there with IA. That part of the discussion has been made clear by now. If you find that difficult to understand then perhaps you...

Try to resist bringing in T-72 into this. T-72 was give a point blank chance to kill Arjun in 2000 and it could not. Arjun had not fired :devil:.

Off course survivability is paramount. These tank crew are almost as difficult to train as the aviators. It cannot be simply presumed that the air conditioner once fitted is going to work well, that the sensors will be able to work facing severe attack, that all the mechanical engineering is not...

:devil: Bhadra bhai rahne do aap se na ho payega. That's two take downs in a row, above. What we really should have done is build in an organic manner. Arjun has so much space that things can grow with it. Subsequent Marks of Arjun would easily have satisfied the IA. Arjun has over the years...

@pmaitra Lithium ion batteries for subs and for tanks are much too different. The Lithium Ion batteries have a significantly higher risk compared to Lead Acid ones and that too at much higher capital costs. To manage that risk you will require the kind of inputs the Japanese and OECD countries...

@pmaitra, I agree it is just a tukka/hunch/suspicion, but I don't think Armata is the tank DGMF is looking for. I am presuming and advocating the presumption, that whatever the DGMF and various General Ranis have said during the FMBT ideation exercise is basically propaganda fed to these...

Allow me. If after 28 pages you still don't get it, then I can again drill it into you. That is not the sole argument. That is the sole allegation. There is a world of difference. My pleasure. This, is how an RFI is made for something that has to come into service 10 years hence. Please...

@Bhadra, you have got to become serious about your arguments. If you think members with such varied backgrounds are converging on a point and that constitutes a propaganda, then perhaps you are out of your depth handling these things. And DRDO till recently did not have funds for gas money for...

Yeh thought so too. Cannot sell Arjun to Pakistan. These Jagirdars still control the fate of our own boys. Cannot put our own people tied onto T-72s to the ultimate risk of facing an Arjun. If we sell Arjuns to Pakistanis then the first ever win of Pakistan over India will become a cake walk...

@pmaitra Thanks for the explanation. One supplementary query. Since the Flat bed wagon is going to be higher I guess the tank can simply roll on to it. The Well bed wagon on the other hand should require some ramp based loading. Or so I would guess. If my hunch is right then loading and...

I am wondering (I may be wrong so pls feel free to correct me), that since this FRCV RFI is basically a silly mughalia fatwa of a stupid bunch of General Ranis, DRDO should simply let it pass and negotiate with the MoD to open up domestic research and OFB factories for exports proper. Put up...

Mein to bolta hun itna whine karo ke DGMF bhi fir sey apna kaam shuru karey aur is bar dhang se kare. Our brave DGMF wants to have a Bridge Laying Tank version of FCRV also. Now the BLTs have the tank chassis itself serving as the counterweight for the bridge with a massive fulcrum in front of...

Allow me to address two points: 1) why for 'Mad Indian' and 'Bhadra' - both guys are irrelevant for a real exchange of views or for real competition, except as sparing partners or sand bags. We owe it to other Indians reading these threads to tell them the history and rationale. So we can have...