Sukhoi Su-35 Flanker-E

[arya]

guys we have su30 mki and china has su30mkk i wonder when i see why we are increasing order for su30 mki while we can get better plane su35

as we all know mmrca,pak-fa,lca ,mca will take time and we have lots of old planes in our air force and we have less number against china

we can get su35 from china which is much better plane the su30 mki and it will provide a upper hand against china

Specifications (Su-35S)
Radar Irbis-E for the Su-35BM at MAKS Airshow 2009

Data from KNAAPO,[26][27] Gordon and Davidson,[28] MAKS 2007 Su-35 display,[29] aviapedia.com,[30] milavia.net[31]

General characteristics

* Crew: 1
* Length: 21.9 m (72.9 ft)
* Wingspan: 15.3 m (50.2 ft)
* Height: 5.90 m (19.4 ft)
* Wing area: 62.0 m² (667 ft²)
* Empty weight: 18,400 kg[31] (40,570 lb)
* Loaded weight: 25,300 kg (56,660 lb)
* Max takeoff weight: 34,500 kg (76,060 lb)
* Powerplant: 2× Saturn 117S with TVC nozzle turbofan
o Dry thrust: 8,800 kgf[32] (86.3 kN, 19,400 lbf) each
o Thrust with afterburner: 14,500 kgf (142 kN, 31,900 lbf) each

Performance

* Maximum speed: Mach 2.25[26] (2,390 km/h,[29] 1,490 mph) at altitude
* Range: 3,600 km (1,940 nmi) ; (1,580 km, 850 nmi near ground level)
* Ferry range: 4,500 km (2,430 nmi) with external fuel tanks
* Service ceiling: 18,000 m (59,100 ft)
* Rate of climb: >280 m/s (>55,100 ft/min)
* Wing loading: 408 kg/m² (84.9 lb/ft²)
* Thrust/weight: 1.1

Armament

* 1 × 30 mm GSh-30 internal cannon with 150 rounds
* 2 × wingtip rails for R-73 (AA-11 "Archer") air-to-air missiles or ECM pods
* 12 × wing and fuselage stations for up to 8,000 kg (17,630 lb) of ordnance, including for a variety of ordinance including air-to-air missiles, air-to-surface missiles, rockets, and bombs such as:
* AA-10 Alamo: R-27R, R-27ER, R-27T, R-27ET, R-27EP, R-27AE
* AA-12 Adder: R-77, and the proposed R-77M1, R-77T
* AA-11 Archer: R-73E, R-73M, R-74M
* AS-17 Krypton: Kh-31A, Kh-31P Anti-Radiation Missile
* AS-20: Kh-59
* AS-14 Kedge: Kh-29T, Kh-29L
* KAB-500 Laser-guided bomb
* KAB-1500 Laser-guided bomb
* LGB-250 laser-guided bomb
* FAB-250 250kg unguided bombs
* FAB-500 500kg unguided bombs
* S-25LD laser-guided rocket, S-250 unguided rocket
* B-8 unguided S-8 rocket pods
* B-13 unguided S-13 rocket pods

Avionics

* Irbis-E passive phased array rada

 

[arya]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuzCSJBjlv8

 

[JBH22]

I really don't know how you came with this conclusion,but the Su-30Mki is being upgraded the Irbis radar has been reported offered to India. what i would like to see is the Su-34 in IN navy for long range patrol this can be done with the Su-30mki but pilots operate under more strain conditions compared to the Su-34.

 

[arya]

I really don't know how you came with this conclusion,but the Su-30Mki is being upgraded the Irbis radar has been reported offered to India. what i would like to see is the Su-34 in IN navy for long range patrol this can be done with the Su-30mki but pilots operate under more strain conditions compared to the Su-34.

well if you compare both planes then you can find su35 is more advance then su30mki and i am talking about why not we choose su35 for our force as we have to work two front defensive policy so we need the numbers and advance planes

we have old planes like

mig21
mig29
mirrage
mig27


how long we can use them and risk for our pilots su 35 can give a upper hand to our air force

 

[JBH22]

well if you compare both planes then you can find su35 is more advance then su30mki and i am talking about why not we choose su35 for our force as we have to work two front defensive policy so we need the numbers and advance planes

we have old planes like

mig21
mig29
mirrage
mig27


how long we can use them and risk for our pilots su 35 can give a upper hand to our air force

You can't have an airforce comprised mainly with High end planes like SU-35 too costly to maintain such a fleet,the Mig-29 and Mirage-2000 are being upgraded and have significant residual life. Mig-21 is to be replace by Tejas and Mig-27 by MRCA AFAIK then the MCA will come in gradually.
The airforce always adopt a high-low mix for eg;
1st group=Su-30Mki
2nd=Mig-29,Mirage-2000,Jaguar
Low end=Mig 21

what need to be done IMHO is that Tejas induction and production rate must be accelerated/increased, MRCA will come in.

 

[arya]

You can't have an airforce comprised mainly with High end planes like SU-35 too costly to maintain such a fleet,the Mig-29 and Mirage-2000 are being upgraded and have significant residual life. Mig-21 is to be replace by Tejas and Mig-27 by MRCA AFAIK then the MCA will come in gradually.
The airforce always adopt a high-low mix for eg;
1st group=Su-30Mki
2nd=Mig-29,Mirage-2000,Jaguar
Low end=Mig 21

what need to be done IMHO is that Tejas induction and production rate must be accelerated/increased, MRCA will come in.

well i hope you rember our force is working on two front defensive policy and i hope you know how strength of china as you are talking about pakfa,mca they all are future project and they will not come before 2018 at least

but yes lca2 can play its role in Indian air force well i am against for more number of order of su3omki while we can get su35 which is far advance plane then su30mki

 

[A.V.]

SU35 was fast offered to india for quick induction but they rejected it it was last nov just because we are looking at an upgraded su30mki as the backbone of the force moreover none of the exisiting russian inventory interests IAF and no talks are in progress for any of the other platforms some thing might pop up after we see the mrca results and then onwards

 

[arya]

SU35 was fast offered to india for quick induction but they rejected it it was last nov just because we are looking at an upgraded su30mki as the backbone of the force moreover none of the exisiting russian inventory interests IAF and no talks are in progress for any of the other platforms some thing might pop up after we see the mrca results and then onwards

well you are right and you will accept su35 is much better plane then su30mki why we give more order of su30

you know how much time we are taking in mmrca its not good for the health of our air force

 

[JBH22]

well i hope you rember our force is working on two front defensive policy and i hope you know how strength of china as you are talking about pakfa,mca they all are future project and they will not come before 2018 at least

but yes lca2 can play its role in Indian air force well i am against for more number of order of su3omki while we can get su35 which is far advance plane then su30mki

First the strategy you develop in influenced by your economy (what you have).
What can be done is to train IAF technician to maximize the sorties per each plane something that Israelis did with Operation Focus.

 

[arya]

First the strategy you develop in influenced by your economy (what you have).
What can be done is to train IAF technician to maximize the sorties per each plane something that Israelis did with Operation Focus.

you are right we have to work there but you will be agree with me now we are growing power and its best time when we can provide the best to our force

we have to face china and Pakistan in future and we should be ready for worst condition and in worst condition we need number and quality and we are lacking in quality while china is doing great we are wasting our time as you can see Pakistan is also gettinf f16 and jf from china

 

[JBH22]

you are right we have to work there but you will be agree with me now we are growing power and its best time when we can provide the best to our force

we have to face china and Pakistan in future and we should be ready for worst condition and in worst condition we need number and quality and we are lacking in quality while china is doing great we are wasting our time as you can see Pakistan is also getting f16 and jf from china

This is an improbable not impossible scenario which is why we have nuclear deterrent

 

[arya]

This is an improbable not impossible scenario which is why we have nuclear deterrent

are you kidding do you think India will use its nuke the answer is no our leader don't have the ball

we should be ready for the worst condition

 

[JBH22]

are you kidding do you think India will use its nuke the answer is no our leader don't have the ball

we should be ready for the worst condition

If you're imagining a war scenario of rapid thrust in India territory where the invaders will try to impose their political demands on India then why bother acquiring Su-35.Let's acquire more artillery to begin.put in place mountain strike corps after that kissi mai ke lal ke pichware mein dum nahin hoga to attack us.:happy_2:

 

[arya]

If you're imagining a war scenario of rapid thrust in India territory where the invaders will try to impose their political demands on India then why bother acquiring Su-35.Let's acquire more artillery to begin.put in place mountain strike corps after that kissi mai ke lal ke pichware mein dum nahin hoga to attack us.:happy_2:

well if ask some senior army officer they will tell you how badly they need artillery but govt is not doing any thing just wasting time if today any war take place we will see here and there

well i dont know when govt is think about artillery but yes su35 is an also important

 

[JHA]

So, if Su-35 is marginally better than Su-30 then we should buy this...?
Have you even considered what logistical nightmare it will create...? Plus why would IAF want two heavy class fighter aircrafts in its arsenal who are almost comparable...?
Su-30MKI production line will run till 2017 i guess..And most probably by 2018 we will start inducting PAK-FA in IAF...Where is the space for a completely new plane..
Our Fighter aircrafts will include

FGFA/PAK-FA
Su-30
MRCA
LCA
Mig 29
Mirage

Now you want to add one more type in the list...??

 

[JBH22]

India we have this problem we always look at big items what about modernising infantry give them good BP jackets,Night vision goggles (good ones), Kevlar helmet, give them good weapons aur kamaal to dekho.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

So, if Su-35 is marginally better than Su-30MKI then we should buy this...?
Have you even considered what logistical nightmare it will create...? Plus why would IAF want two heavy class fighter aircrafts in its arsenal who are almost comparable...?

SU-30MKI MK3 is good enough and can be comparable with Latest Su-35BMs, The only thing we lack is engines which we will get in FGFA...
No need For SU-35s..

 

[arya]

So, if Su-35 is marginally better than Su-30 then we should buy this...?
Have you even considered what logistical nightmare it will create...? Plus why would IAF want two heavy class fighter aircrafts in its arsenal who are almost comparable...?
Su-30MKI production line will run till 2017 i guess..And most probably by 2018 we will start inducting PAK-FA in IAF...Where is the space for a completely new plane..
Our Fighter aircrafts will include

FGFA/PAK-FA
Su-30
MRCA
LCA
Mig 29
Mirage

Now you want to add one more type in the list...??

well sir i am against more number of su30mki while we can get more advance su35 plane as you know china also has su30mkk

and you are talking about
pak-fa
mmrca
lca

they will take time well i hope you know we are losing our squn.. numbers and mirrage and mig21 and mig29 are getting old how many time we will upgrade them with in 5 years we have to them

 

[JBH22]

SU-30MKI MK3 is good enough and can be comparable with Latest Su-35BMs, The only thing we lack is engines which we will get in FGFA...
No need For SU-35s..

The Su-30mki need to get the Novator Long range missile plus to overcome the fall in squadron strength force multipliers such as AWACS and early warning radars are good measure.

 

[neo29]

The airframe of su30 mki and su35 are different. Su-35 will change the way IAF operates the MKI.