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That isn't a source. It is just an uncertain claim, regardless of the fact that he is in the Army. If you insist on having the last word, well go right ahead. No point discussing this anymore.

And you are privy to it? IAF knows what they require and what they selected reflects that decision regardless of your rants. That's been my whole stand on every major services decisions ever made since this forum began, right from T-90 to Gorky to Apache to Chinook. The services always know...

Chinook is the L1 bidder.

Your link merely took me to the homepage. Anyway, that little snippet is nothing. I have seen many such articles where they only mention a little detail and then skip what's important. 15-20 tons is too wide a margin and he was only talking to the media. It is not necessary that the people who...

The requirement isn't for a meaningless lifting capability over twice the Chinook's range and payload. The requirement is far more complicated that that. IAF is looking for a different requirement to what you have in mind, and what the Chinook offers is enough for that requirement. Read this at...

@pmaitra This should end the discussion.

IAF chose Chinook because we are whoring ourselves to the Americans. Prove it. You don't understand what is the meaning of requirements. It does not matter how far, how high the Mi-26 flies, nor does it matter how much it carries. If the ASR said the IAF wants a helicopter carrying 5 tons to...

This notion is too absurd to even come to my mind. You are comparing a civilian deal with similar technologies to a military deal with entirely different technological bases. AI and IA deals were decided people who were in charge of these companies, they were not chosen through tenders. Deals...

These are only things that we know of. There will be others like quality of build material, new manufacturing techniques etc as compared to earlier models.

Not true. The Su-30MKM was also a brush up of the older Su-30 and the even older Su-27. But it costs 3 times lesser than the Block 1 Super Hornet in lifecycle costs and is easier to maintain. This myth that Russian equipment is difficult and expensive to maintain is being thrown out the...

The AI and IA deals were too big. And they wee civilian deals, different from military deals where the customer has more robust and tougher requirements. Airbus Wins India’s Tanker Rebid | Defense News | defensenews.com Case closed. I am not naive but at the same time I am not a...

Mi-26 is in production. We already discussed it. Deliveries of Mi-26T for the VVS is still happening. Russian Air Force to double Mi-26 fleet by 2015 | Helihub - the Helicopter Industry Data Source The Mi-26T2 is yet to start serial production from what I know. It is a brand new version.

12 C-130J + 45 IL-214(HAL/UAC JV) and 22 Apache(+22 options) + ~200 LCH. 1000+ helicopters.

Yes it is cheaper. But the question is whether the Chinook fulfills the ASQR. It is obvious that the ASQR was fulfilled by both helicopters because both were selected for the L1 bid. So, in this case the added advantages that either helicopter brings may not be a factor. Once ASQR is fulfilled...

Huh? We buy 15 helicopters and we get political advantages right from UNSC to Pakistan? Impossible. IAF shortlists aircraft and MoD decides the L1 based on costs. Simple as that. If Mi-26 was cheaper, they would have selected it. India is too big for such small things to be correlated to...

:dude: It's there in the "pre-historic" data. Place called Rostov-on-Don, set up in 1939 and still going strong. Btw, it is Mi-26, not Mil. EDIT: There were plans for overlapping the production lines before Rostvertol and Kamov merged, but they did not. I think the new entity is called...

Haha! I will post again. A good read on the history of Rostvertol.

Well, the two don't mix. Unlike Sevmash, Rostvertol may surprise you. I don't know why we have to pursue this though.

Double Post.

Exactly what I am talking about. You can't blame a whole country or the entire mil industrial complex for the fault of one. Blame Sevmash as much as you want, they deserve your ire. I have no problems. But why claim the same for the Rostvertol? We are getting our Mi-17s in time after all. We...